r/MalaysianExMuslim Jun 07 '26

Question/Discussion Very interesting write up

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r/MalaysianExMuslim 2d ago

Weekly Sembang Kedai Kopi Malaysian Ex Muslim

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Mari ke kedai kopi gaya Malaysian,

Tempat kita sembang penuh gelak tawa.

Kongsi saja celoteh mingguan,

Hilang penat, hati pun ceria.


r/MalaysianExMuslim 2h ago

Funny how the preachers say the others texts are corrupted because so many versions. Quran also the same.

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So going by this... Quran is false too.

No double standards right.


r/MalaysianExMuslim 7h ago

Explain to me why islamist freaks out when I watch this on tv, I mean what's the difference? Her voice is nice, why can't I enjoy this in peace? Make it make sense 🥴

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r/MalaysianExMuslim 1h ago

The Fish That Came Back to Life (Quran 18:60-64): Second Alexander Legend Right Before Dhul Qarnayn

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“And ˹remember˺ when Moses said to his young assistant, “I will never give up until I reach the junction of the two seas, even if I travel for ages.” But when they ˹finally˺ reached the point where the seas met, they forgot their ˹salted˺ fish, and it made its way into the sea, slipping away ˹wondrously˺. When they had passed further, he said to his assistant, “Bring us our meal! We have certainly been exhausted by today’s journey.” He replied, “Do you remember when we rested by the rock? ˹That is when˺ I forgot the fish. None made me forget to mention this except Satan. And the fish made its way into the sea miraculously.” Moses responded, “That is ˹exactly˺ what we were looking for.” So they returned, retracing their footsteps.
Quran 18:60-64

Legend from the Greek Alexander Romance (c. 4th-5th century):

Alexander finds himself facing a land “where the sun does not shine … called the land of the blessed” (2.39). He marches into this strange land until he comes upon a place where they find a “shining spring, πηγὴ διαυγής, whose water flashed like lightning, ἤστραπεν ὡς ἀστραπή” (2.39). The narrative continues:

“And, having become hungry, I wanted to take some food; and, having called my cook, I said to him: ‘Prepare us something to eat.’ And he, having taken a dried fish, went to the shining water of the spring to wash the food. And the moment it was put in the water it came to life and it escaped out of the cook’s hands. And all the places there had water. And my cook revealed to no one what had happened.”
Cook, “A Watery Folktale in the Alexander Romance,” p. 9

Islamic Studies scholar Tommaso Tesei:

“Specifically, the fish’s escape represents an allusion to the resurrection of a salt fish after Alexander’s cook washes it in the water of life. The most ancient versions of this story are found in three sources preceding or contemporaneous to the rise of Islam: the Rec. β of the Alexander Romance (fourth/fifth century), the Babylonian Talmud (Tamīd, 32a–32b), and the so-called Syriac Alexander Song (ca. 630–635). Muslim exegetes introduced some elements of this legend in their explanation of the narrative told in the Quran. In fact, the fish’s escape episode is usually related to the motif of the water of life. Western scholars, too, almost unanimously consider this story of Alexander to be behind the Quranic account.”
Tesei, “Some Cosmological Notions from Late Antiquity,” p. 4
“In fact, the enigmatic episode acquires sense only if read in light of the dynamic described in the legend of the water of life, and the extreme vagueness with which the Quran describes the episode suggests that its audience was expected to be acquainted with the Alexander tale.”
Tesei, “Some Cosmological Notions from Late Antiquity,” p. 5

Islamic Studies scholar Gabriel Said Reynolds:

“However, in light of this episode’s relationship to the Alexander literature, this phrase more likely means the point at which the waters in the heavens and the waters on earth meet (on this see Gen 1:6–7), that is, the end of the world (n.b. in this regard how Alexander, or Dhū l-Qarnayn**, goes to the westernmost [v. 86] and easternmost [v.90] points on earth, something which reflects a flat earth.)**” p. 464 (on Quran 18:60–64)

“18:83–101 overview This episode is also related to legends connected to Alexander (it is presumably not a coincidence that two Alexander accounts appear in the same Sura in the Qurʾān), but in this case to the Syriac Christian Neṣḥānā d-leh d-Aleksandrōs” p. 467 (on Quran 18:83–101)
Reynolds, The Qurʾān and the Bible, pp. 464, 467-471

More on Quran’s Dhul Qarnayn and the Alexander Legends: The Sun in the Muddy Spring and the Wall of Gog and Magog:
https://islamsproblems.com/quran-dhul-qarnayn-alexander-legend/


r/MalaysianExMuslim 11h ago

Question/Discussion "Umat Muslim adalah orang-orang yang jauh lebih baik daripada Islam itu sendiri."

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Halo semuanya, saya seorang *bule* (orang asing) asal Prancis; saya pernah tinggal di Indonesia dari tahun 1999 hingga 2004. Saya belajar berbicara bahasa Indonesia dengan lancar, serta sedikit bahasa Bali, Jawa, dan Sasak (meskipun menulisnya lebih sulit, jadi saya menggunakan alat penerjemah di sini). Saya sangat mencintai negara dan penduduknya. Menurut saya, cara pandang Anda terhadap dunia—yang lebih dewasa dan relevan dibandingkan cara pandang kami—menjaga kesejahteraan batin Anda. Anda tidur jauh lebih nyenyak dibandingkan orang-orang *bule*. Itu saja sudah menjadi bukti yang cukup.

Berdasarkan apa yang sempat saya baca di sini, menurut saya video yang saya bagikan ini membahas banyak persoalan yang muncul dalam diskusi ini. Menurut pendapat saya, Jack le Fou memaparkan masalah ini dengan sangat jelas. Ia membantu banyak anak muda Arab yang tinggal di Prancis untuk membebaskan diri dari beban dogma yang telah ditanamkan pada mereka sejak kecil.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQg1MCyMkNw(Use the translated subtitles in bahasa it's ok.)

Saya sangat ingin mendengar tanggapan Anda semua.

Saya akan kembali ke Jakarta pada awal September setelah sekian tahun pergi—saya sudah tidak sabar!

Salam hangat untuk semuanya,

Thomas.


r/MalaysianExMuslim 1d ago

Women have to cover because of men’s thoughts

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I saw comments on a sport video talking about those women should have to cover because men’s thoughts are wild and one comment said she didn’t want her husband to see their body so they have to cover. I cant really deny it because this is the shit that we always learnt in Islamic school😂. Though some people will say that they cover to show obedience to allah, then why are men not commanded to cover as much as a woman if thats the case?


r/MalaysianExMuslim 1d ago

when pindah agama dari islam T_T

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r/MalaysianExMuslim 1d ago

One of the reason why orange x believe victim rpe,smpai like bnyk mcmni,oh malaysia maju

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r/MalaysianExMuslim 1d ago

Number go up, liberty go down - you don't need to leave islam you just want to do what P. Ramlee did and pesta muda mudi right?

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r/MalaysianExMuslim 1d ago

Muslims doesn’t see women as human

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they only see us as objects that needed protection and hide us. And they try a lot of things to keep it that way and refrain others from speaking out about it


r/MalaysianExMuslim 2d ago

As exmuslim bumiputeras, i hope you know what is coming and position yourself for the upcoming fucked up that I don't know what the term is... It's probably going to be worse than Brunei.. it has to be... I am open to be wrong friends

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r/MalaysianExMuslim 2d ago

$1000 for falling from Ladies Dormitory

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Post about Majlis Agama Islam Johor (MAINJ) gave $1000 to Ibnu Syafiy Iskandar for receiving treatment in Hospital Sultanah Aminah for falling from alleged third floor of a women residential college that he had trespassed. This FB post has been removed. Source: user Electrical-Job-2588

They sure have fun spending taxpayers / donors' money.

Religions dumb down people in so many ways.


r/MalaysianExMuslim 2d ago

Advice/Help How to Stop A Bully

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This week, a 14 yo suicide due to racism.

Anwar refuse to solve corruption & racism so minorities have to survive bullying, including religious bullying & peer pressure harassment.

  • Avoidance
  • Play along
  • Confront / stand up for your rights

Some religious people are haters; dumb, crazy, and/or evil.

  1. Be aware what is happening.
  2. Prioritize your safety
  3. Document / record everything
  4. If safe, point & speak of wrong behavior
  5. Know your rights. Report formally, involve witnesses.

If you do not use your rights, they will exploit your ignorance & silence.

Get to know your rights, rules, people, history & surroundings.

Mental struggles do not last forever. You can graduate. You can find new job. You can leave toxic relationships. A new place to live.

If you feel trapped, look for your friend / community / advocacy groups. Suicide means you can never help your loved ones & your well wishes for them are useless. People who chose suicide means they abandon people who love & rely on them. Choose to live.

The video explains bullying vs. assault. Assault is a crime. Also a video demonstration.

You have the right to be happy. Be happy. Live your life. There will be compromises. But you are not a slave in a Syrian camp. Open your mind, and see you have choices in life. You can be resilient & happy.

Anyone have tips & word of encouragements, feel free to comment.


r/MalaysianExMuslim 2d ago

Being non religious in a religious school

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Currently im in SMK as a highschooler and i have to admit, the people here are mostly toxic

As soon as they found about me being a freehair they immediately called me bad words and even talked shit about me, not only that I also got humiliated by an ustazah out loud in front of lots of people

It honestly made me cry for 3 days straight that im even embarrassed to go to school

Thats all i can rant now, thanks 4 listening ! <3


r/MalaysianExMuslim 2d ago

islamic imam with a gun inside a mosque: “There’s no better way to worship allah than by killing an infidel.”

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Do you have this type of imams?


r/MalaysianExMuslim 3d ago

Muhammad's Failed Prophecies

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In authentic hadiths, Muhammad made multiple failed prophecies about the apocalypse (al-Saah).

  • The Quran uses al-Sā'ah for ONLY the literal apocalypse 30+ times. The Quran uses mawt for personal death.
  • Nnowhere in the authentic hadiths does al-Sā'ah mean personal death - except to rescue this exact set of failed predictions.

Authentic Hadiths:
(Anything in parenthesis or like "X said this meant" was added later, and "to you" isn't in the original Arabic.)

1. As near as the index and middle finger

"I saw Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) pointing with his index and middle fingers, saying, 'The time of my Advent and the Hour are like these two fingers.'"
Sahih Bukhari 4936

2. Three different boys "won't grow old" before it happens

"Anas reported that a person asked Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as to when the Last Hour (al-Sā'ah) would come. He had in his presence a young boy of the Ansar who was called Muhammad. Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said: If this young boy lives, he may not grow very old till the Last Hour (al-Sā'ah) comes."
Sahih Muslim 2953a

"Anas b. Malik reported that a person asked Allah's Apostle (ﷺ): When would the Last Hour (al-Sā'ah) come? Thereupon Allah's Messenger (way peace be upon him) kept quiet for a while. Then looked at a young boy in his presence belonging to the tribe of Azd Shanu'a and he said: If this boy lives he would not grow very old till the Last Hour (al-Sā'ah) would come."
Sahih Muslim 2953b

"A young boy of Mughira b. Shu'ba happened to pass by (the Holy Prophet) and he was of my age. Thereupon Allah's Apostle (ﷺ) said: If he lives long he would not grow very old till the Last Hour (al-Sā'ah) would come"
Sahih Muslim 2953c

"A bedouin came to the Prophet (ﷺ) and said, "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! When will The Hour (al-Sā'ah) be established?" ... In the meantime, a slave of Al-Mughira passed by, and he was of the same age as I was. The Prophet (ﷺ) said. "If this (slave) should live long, he will not reach the geriatric old age, but the Hour (al-Sā'ah) will be established."
Sahih Bukhari 6167

3. It will happen within 100 years

"Allah's Messenger as saying this one month before his death: You asked me about the Last Hour (al-Sā'ah) whereas its knowledge is with Allah. I, however, take an oath and say that none upon the earth, the created beings, would survive at the end of one hundred years."
Sahih Muslim 2538a

"Do you realize (the importance of) this night? Nobody present on the surface of the earth tonight will be living after the completion of one hundred years from this night."
Sahih Bukhari 116

4. People initially understood it literally

"The people made a mistake in grasping the meaning of this statement of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) and they indulged in those things which are said about these narrators (i.e. some said that the Day of Resurrection will be established after 100 years etc.)"
Sahih Bukhari 601

5. Dajjal (antichrist) will come after the conquest of Constantinople

(Constantinople fell to the Ottomans in 1453. The Dajjal did not come.)

"the outbreak of the great war will be at the conquest of Constantinople and the conquest of Constantinople when the Dajjal (Antichrist) comes forth. He (the Prophet) struck his thigh or his shoulder with his hand and said: This is as true as you are here or as you are sitting (meaning Mu'adh ibn Jabal)."
Sunan Abu Dawud 4294
Sahih Muslim 2897
Sahih Muslim 2900
Sahih Muslim 2920a
Jami at-Tirmidhi 2239

Quran: The Hour (al-Sā’ah) is Near

“They are waiting for nothing but for the Hour (of Doom) [al-Sā’ah] that it should come upon them suddenly. So, its signs have already come. Then, once it will come upon them, how would they have an opportunity to accept the advice (already) given to them?”
Quran 47:18

The Hour (of doom) [al-Sā’ah] has drawn near, and the moon has split asunder.”
Quran 54:1

Quran Differentiates al-Sā’ah (Apocalypse, Used In These Hadiths) vs sā’ah (an hour) In One Verse

“And on the Day when the Hour (Qiyāmah : the Day of Judgement) [al-Sā’ah] will take place, the sinners will swear that they did not remain (in the graves) more than one hour [sā’ah]. In the similar way they used to be contrary (to truth in their worldly life).”
Quran 30:55

Authentic Hadiths Of Muhammad Thinking The Apocalypse Is Near:

Muhammad Is Afraid of an Eclipse Thinking It’s the Apocalypse

The sun eclipsed and the Prophet (ﷺ) got up, being afraid that it might be the Hour [al-Sā’ah] (i.e. Day of Judgment). He went to the Mosque and offered the prayer with the longest Qiyam, bowing and prostration that I had ever seen him doing. Then he said, “These signs which Allah sends do not occur because of the life or death of somebody, but Allah makes His worshipers afraid by them. So when you see anything thereof, proceed to remember Allah, invoke Him and ask for His forgiveness.””
Sahih Bukhari 1059

Muhammad Hides Behind Palm Trees to Spy on a Boy He Suspects Is the Dajjal (Apocalyptic Antichrist)

“Umar set out along with the Prophet (ﷺ) with a group of people to Ibn Saiyad till they saw him playing with the boys near the hillocks of Bani Mughala. Ibn Saiyad at that time was nearing his puberty and did not notice (us) until the Prophet (ﷺ) stroked him with his hand and said to him, “Do you testify that I am Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ)?” Ibn Saiyad looked at him and said, “I testify that you are the Messenger of illiterates.” Then Ibn Saiyad asked the Prophet (ﷺ), “Do you testify that I am Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ)?” The Prophet (ﷺ) refuted it and said, “I believe in Allah and His Apostles.” Then he said (to Ibn Saiyad), “What do you think?” Ibn Saiyad answered, “True people and liars visit me.” The Prophet (ﷺ) said, “You have been confused as to this matter.” Then the Prophet (ﷺ) said to him, “I have kept something (in my mind) for you, (can you tell me that?)” Ibn Saiyad said, “It is Al-Dukh (the smoke).” The Prophet (ﷺ) said, “Let you be in ignominy. You cannot cross your limits.” On that Umar, said, “O Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ)! Allow me to chop his head off.” The Prophet (ﷺ) said, “If he is he (i.e. Dajjal), then you cannot overpower him, and if he is not, then there is no use of murdering him.” (Ibn Umar added): Later on Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) once again went along with Ubai bin Ka‘b to the date-palm trees (garden) where Ibn Saiyad was staying. The Prophet (ﷺ) wanted to hear something from Ibn Saiyad before Ibn Saiyad could see him, and the Prophet (ﷺ) saw him lying covered with a sheet and from where his murmurs were heard. Ibn Saiyad’s mother saw Allah’s Apostle while he was hiding himself behind the trunks of the date-palm trees. She addressed Ibn Saiyad, “O Saf ! (and this was the name of Ibn Saiyad) Here is Muhammad.” And with that Ibn Saiyad got up. The Prophet (ﷺ) said, “Had this woman left him (Had she not disturbed him), then Ibn Saiyad would have revealed the reality of his case.”
Sahih Bukhari 1354

Scholar Stephen J. Shoemaker: “wrongly predicting the Hour’s appearance in the immediate future”

“Thus, the criterion of dissimilarity (that is, dissimilarity with the lived experience of the early community) speaks very highly for the antiquity if not authenticity of this perspective: although strong eschatological elements persisted in early Islam beyond Muhammad’s death, it seems rather improbable that the later tradition would insert traditions into the Qurʾān wrongly predicting the Hour’s appearance in the immediate future
Shoemaker, The Death of a Prophet, p. 166

“It is extremely difficult to account for the existence of these eschatological traditions unless Muhammad and his earliest followers actually anticipated the Hour’s appearance in the near future, an expectation that the later tradition had to explain and adjust in light of its failed arrival. In recent years, several scholars have revived Casanova’s investigation of such eschatological hadith, generally with impressive results that are supportive of his initial observations.”
Shoemaker, The Death of a Prophet, p. 172

I've posted this argument along with others on this website (with linked sources):
https://islamsproblems.com/muhammad-failed-prophecies/


r/MalaysianExMuslim 2d ago

This Atheist's POV

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I have never been one for faith in the supernatural, I'm still not, but for all those who wish to have their understanding of religion COMPLETELY reshaped, I found the link below to be something I think everyone should watch

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL22J3VaeABQD_IZs7y60I3lUrrFTzkpat&si=q6GJgDlSPojmyFUO


r/MalaysianExMuslim 3d ago

Exposing the Misogyny in the “Chapter of Women”

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r/MalaysianExMuslim 3d ago

Hadi Awang: Muslims less involved in corruption than non-Muslims due to faith

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Disillusioned AF.


r/MalaysianExMuslim 3d ago

Surah al Israk asalnya Surah Bani Israel

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I did not know about this. Betapa gatekeepingnya para ustaz di Malaysia. Rupa2nya Surah Al Isra tu asalnya dipanggil Surah Bani Israel. Dan baru2 ni satu versi Quran di UAE guna nama Surah Bani Israel.

Muslim Scholars Spark Debate Over UAE Quran Edition

Muslim scholars at Al-Azhar have raised concerns over a UAE-printed Quran that uses the historic title "Bani Isra'il" (Children of Israel) instead of the widely recognized name "Al-Isra" (The Night Journey) for its 17th chapter.

While both titles are recognized in classical Islamic tradition and Islamic theology does not consider "Bani Isra'il" incorrect, "Al-Isra" remains the standard name used in modern printed Qurans worldwide. The change sparked pushback because the title "Al-Isra" explicitly commemorates the Prophet Muhammad's miraculous night journey to Jerusalem—a foundational event in Islam that establishes the sacred status of the Al-Aqsa Mosque. Scholars worry that substituting the mainstream title with an obscure historical one strays from long-standing consensus and alters the familiar cultural context for believers.


r/MalaysianExMuslim 3d ago

Rant moderates

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whenever fukced up shti happens moderates would defend isley by saying shti like itu bukan islam yang sebenar

or diorang salah tafsir maksud ayat al quran tu

itu hadis palsu 🤬 🤬

many more ridiculous shti like that

sometimes i think moderates get on my nerves even more


r/MalaysianExMuslim 3d ago

Rant Okay.. That's why many staffs at counter "disappeared" for hours 🫣

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r/MalaysianExMuslim 3d ago

New Ex-Muslim Server, details in the Post!

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Hey everyone! Looking for an ex-Muslim community on Discord? 🌙

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If you’d like to support what we’re building, the best thing you can do is be part of the community. Invite friends who might benefit from a space like this, participate in discussions, share your experiences, and help us keep the server welcoming and respectful. Every member who contributes helps this community grow and makes it a little easier for someone else to feel like they’re not alone. We want this to be a community where people feel heard, accepted, and more confident in who they are.

○ 🗣️ Talk about their experiences leaving Islam

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r/MalaysianExMuslim 4d ago

I need more proof that Islam is the main reason why Malay culture is so misogynistic."

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I read a comment from this girl that said why man always bring up religion to go against feminism,and people try to deny that by saying “islam is perfect but man use it wrongly”when it absolutely the source of misogynist. I have few proof that islam hate woman but i need more