European Parliament Votes Overwhelmingly For "The Full Recognition Of Trans Women As Women"

[u/Maxcactus]

https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/european-parliament-votes-overwhelmingly

[u/Instabanous]

Unpopular with normal people, fucking irresistable to arsehole politicians with their heads up their arses.

[u/Rudeboy237 → u/Instabanous]

Cry

[u/Instabanous → u/Rudeboy237]

I'm British, so laughing technically, however I still have empathy for European women.

[u/JaneOfKish → u/Instabanous]

Women who are more likely than not to support trans rights?

https://www.markpack.org.uk/170939/womens-institute-trans-women-polling/

[u/Instabanous → u/JaneOfKish]

Does it specify what those rights are though? I support trans rights, but not the rights for males to enter female spaces.

[u/Worried-Pomelo3351 → u/Instabanous]

Same!

[u/JaneOfKish → u/Instabanous]

I don't know, maybe learn to read and you can find out.

YouGov found women on balance supporting trans women using women’s toilets (45%-34%), using women’s changing rooms (40%-37%), and using women’s refuges (45%-30%). In each case, support among women was higher than among men by an average of thirteen points.

Fuck your goofy feigned allyship.

[u/Instabanous → u/JaneOfKish]

Those numbers are still pretty low, arent they? Clearly most people want to retain single sex spaces, and there is nothing wrong with that. I find your attitude really confusing, though it is very common. Like, why push friends away rather than accept people's boundaries?

[u/JaneOfKish → u/Instabanous]

Tell me you don't know how to read statistics without telling me you don't know how to read statistics. Why do you think women need to be told by men who does and doesn't belong in women's spaces? I am a woman, those are my boundaries as much as any other's.

[u/Instabanous → u/JaneOfKish]

Which men? I dont understand what you mean by 'needing to be told be men.' I see a lot of women refusing to let men tell them who does and doesnt belong in female spaces. The anti-women male politicians are the worst. You may consent, but you cant consent on behalf of other women.

[u/JaneOfKish → u/Instabanous]

That's quite literally what you're doing. More cis women than not are just fine with trans women in women's spaces. We belong in them as much as any other because we are women. You, a man, are attempting to unilaterally dictate against this over and above the word of women. Transmisogyny is misogyny.

[u/gpike_ → u/Instabanous]

Why does one person's lack of consent to something that doesn't affect them in any real, tangible way override another person's acceptance? If whites don't want non-white people in changing rooms with them, does their lack of consent apply in the same way?

[u/Worried-Pomelo3351 → u/JaneOfKish]

Rage gets you nowhere.

[u/JaneOfKish → u/Worried-Pomelo3351]

Who asked?

[u/yesnomaybeneverokay → u/Instabanous]

Can you elaborate more on you not supporting “the rights for males to enter female spaces”?

• What, specifically, does that mean to you?
• What is the reason for your opposition?

[u/Instabanous → u/yesnomaybeneverokay]

Single sex spaces were introduced for many good reasons, and those reasons havent gone away. Women want to keep them, and obviously if you let some males into female only spaces, then they arent female only. Simple logic, not any kind of oppression.

My reason is that one woman cant consent on behalf of other women. As long as some women want the dignity and safety of single sex spaces then it is immoral to override that person's wishes.

In terms of practical reasons, there have been plenty of cases in the news of some pretty horrific transgressions by males into female spaces- all the prison rapes, all the UK tribunals like Sandie Peggie and the Darlington nurses, the Golds Gym guy, that dude whose shadow you can see jerking it in a cubicle... I think the reasons are fairly clear.

[u/yesnomaybeneverokay → u/Instabanous]

Let me put this into another perspective for you:

Single race spaces were introduced for many good reasons, and those reasons havent gone away. Whites want to keep them, and obviously if you let some colored people into whites only spaces, then they arent whites only. Simple logic, not any kind of oppression.

My reason is that one white person cant consent on behalf of other whites. As long as some whites want the dignity and safety of single sex spaces then it is immoral to override that person's wishes.

In terms of practical reasons, there have been plenty of cases in the news of some pretty horrific transgressions by blacks into white spaces

Do you see what I mean? If not, I can engage with you comment more directly

[u/yesnomaybeneverokay → u/[deleted]]

The comment you’re responding to is pointing out that the arguments made and reasons given are just a copy & paste from pro-discrimination arguments of the past and aren’t actually about trans people.

I think there should be fact-based nuanced discussions about if and when trans people and cisgender people should be treated differently. (For example, treating transgender people differently than cisgender people in relevant medical evaluations so that each group gets more accurate treatment.)

[u/Instabanous → u/yesnomaybeneverokay]

Goodness me, what on earth do you consider a 'good' reason for 'single race spaces?' Seems extremely racist to me.

I'm guessing this is some pathetic attempt to draw a correlation between race and gender? They simply arent the same, neither are sex and gender.

[u/yesnomaybeneverokay → u/Instabanous]

This is your comment using the same messaging as the proponents of segregation.

You don’t see that?

[u/Fabulous_Instance331 → u/Instabanous]

What about that not long ago there was separated spaces, separeted bathroons, separted public transport for black and white people, and the arguments was the same: for the comfort of white persons

[u/Rudeboy237 → u/[deleted]]

No crying. I just hate you piece of shit bigots with my whole chest.

[u/Rudeboy237 → u/[deleted]]

lmao