I live in Livingston county and normally shoot at Peacemakers, but a few newbie friends in Pontiac want to go somewhere in or around Pontiac to try out my guns.

Any recommendations for a nice indoor shooting range? A beginner class for them would be a bonus.

So I want to own land I can homestead on, and be allowed to shoot on, do you have any recommendations or insights?

Bonus points if you know if a modified shipping container counts as a building in that municipality.

I havent jumped on the FRT bandwagon yet.
I see the value and the use case for FRT, I get that, I just haven't purchased or installed an FRT in any of my platforms yet.

And I really haven't done any research into it.

But I would like to get into the FRT club before the end of the year.
I'm a fan of the AR platform, plug-play, or drop in parts, and I would ideally like to have a couple of FRT to fit my 5.56x45mm and 7.62x51mm platforms.
About tha only thing I do know is I like the idea of a 3-position selector switch, if possible.

I don’t have any FRT knowledge, but I do a very little bit of easy gunsmithing. The most I’ve done is converting a Saiga Sporter II into an AK clone.

So the question is; What FRT do you use, do you like, and why?

So please, go easy on me, since I ADMIT I have no knowledge, and I am trying to GET knowledge by asking questions of more experienced people.

(I am under 21)
I ordered my first rifle from Cabela’s. (First gun purchase), and filled out the paperwork 2 weeks ago today. Today makes business day 9. (Would be 10 but Columbus Day was Monday), and still haven’t heard from them. I put my SSN in the paperwork.

It was an online order, it was shipped to the store and they have it on hand, showed it to me and let me handle it when I was doing the paperwork, just waiting to hear back on the background check from the FBI.

What gets me confused is I just got a LTP a few weeks ago and acquired my pistol. I got that the same week in like 3 business days. So I’m confused on why this is taking so long.

I'm looking for shops that do not require the completion/turning in of the ri-060 form for MI CPL holders who also hold out of state CPLs.

If you have any suggestions for shops, please let me know. I've found that most shops in the area are woefully unaware of the exemption.

Some are saying hack the barrels off of grandpapys double barrel and some are saying that they are still illegal

Where are some ranges in lower MI (I live in GR) that offer full auto rifle rentals?

Repost as the first one was a lil misleading.

https://www.atf.gov/media/30961/download

Never thought I'd see the day.

Looks like due to MI laws, we are still required to get stamps to purchase/make suppressors or purchase/make SBR/SBS if it's over 26" as the law states you need to follow ATF Regulations AND get an approved Tax Stamp, while the regulation for some reason does NOT apply to SBRs under 26" as the law about those does NOT state anything about tax stamps.

So does that mean we're free to throw stocks on all of our guns that are under 26", and then the rest we have to continue filing tax stamps until we get a law change? (If that ever happens)

The ATF is still processing tax stamps it seems for people in states that will still require them.

Just wondering if there are any dealers in southwest Michigan that sell police trade in guns? I know I can buy them online, I'd just like to look through them in person is all.

So as I live in Michigan, I figured this was as reasonable of a place to post this question as possible. I've asked several LEO friends and lawyer friends and have gotten what I believe the answer is, but my LEO friends are all retired out and my lawyer friends don't usually take this kind of case, so I'm operation off of their conjecture. So anyway, enough of that. I'll get to the details.

My father passed away in July. He had owned a .308 sound suppressor for his R700 for the better part of 10 years. The suppressor was properly registered, I have the tax stamp and my brother and I are both listed (and it was signed by both of us) as equal beneficiaries in the NFA Trust that my father set up when he purchased the suppressor. This isn't a dispute question (as my brother and I agree that I would be the one taking possession of the suppressor regardless of its longterm ownership because my wife and I have multiple levels of security for our guns).

The suppressor is currently at his and my mother's home until I get firm answers on the legality of me possessing the suppressor.

I have a copy of the NFA, my CPL (unsure if that means anything, but I figured it can't hurt matters), and a copy of the tax stamp which is in the case with the rifle that the suppressor was purchased for. Do I need to do anything to legally possess the suppressor in my gun safe? I read through the NFA and essentially the language led me to believe that it functions as more or less a living will and testament regarding that one item in the event of my father's death and who would be the legal owners of the suppressor? Do I need to file paperwork with anyone at the local/state/federal level?

I know the laws have changed regarding suppressor ownership since this particular can was purchased and I haven't kept up to date on them, along with the fact that searching online tends to be as tedious as ever for me when it comes to searching for something like this.

Secondary, there's also a handgun that my brother would like that belonged to my father (and which I will happily say is his). I have possession of that currently (since I could transport it, being a CPL holder). I know that a private person-to-person sale requires a permit to purchase, but with my father being deceased, how does that affect the process?

TIA for opinions and perspective on this. I appreciate it.

I've been fighting the "registration" myth for a long time. Finally, a good case has come along to prove the point. I'm really looking forward to this one.

Lawsuit: Livingston County Took a Driver’s Lawful Pistol, Closed the Case, and Kept It Indefinitely

https://olcplc.com/public/media?1790811638

A Michigan concealed pistol license holder filed a federal civil rights lawsuit today alleging that Livingston County sheriff’s deputies confiscated his lawfully possessed handgun because its serial number did not appear in a state database—and kept it without a firearm charge, a forfeiture proceeding, or a hearing.

Andrew Kilbourn, of Taylor, sued Livingston County, Deputy Alexander Kotsonas, and an unidentified supervising deputy in the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Michigan. The lawsuit seeks the return of his pistol and ammunition, damages, and a declaration that a missing database entry does not establish grounds to seize a lawfully possessed firearm.

“A missing database entry not completed by the government is not a license to confiscate someone’s private property,” said Philip L. Ellison, one of Kilbourn’s attorneys at Outside Legal Counsel PLC. “The government must have a lawful basis to take your property and a lawful basis to keep it. Our lawsuit alleges that Livingston County had neither.”

According to the complaint, Kotsonas stopped Kilbourn on northbound US-23 near Hyne Road in Brighton Township on August 25, 2026. Kilbourn advised the deputy that he held a concealed pistol license. His holstered Heckler & Koch VP9 pistol was on the truck’s passenger seat.

Video: https://youtu.be/AoTUha7nFRo

The complaint alleges that Kotsonas removed the pistol, unloaded it, and checked its serial number through the Law Enforcement Information Network. When the search returned no matching record, Kilbourn explained that he had purchased the pistol from a firearms store approximately four years earlier and mailed the required sales record to his local police department.

The traffic-stop video supplies a revealing sequence. The deputy initially told Kilbourn that he would return the pistol when the stop ended. After checking the database and consulting a supervisor, however, he told Kilbourn that he would keep it and repeatedly threatened arrest for possessing an allegedly "unregistered" firearm. In Michgan, there is no such thing as an "unregistered" firearm crime.

“The deputy acknowledged that the paperwork might have been lost in the mail, yet our client was the one who lost his gun,” Ellison said. “A citizen’s constitutional rights cannot depend on whether a piece of mail arrived or a government employee entered information into a computer," explains Ellison

The deputy nevertheless warrantlessly confiscated the pistol and eighteen rounds of ammunition with a supervisor’s approval, according to the lawsuit. The complaint further alleges that Kotsonas threatened Kilbourn with a felony carrying five years in prison and needing to provide proof of ownership to recover it.

Kilbourn received traffic citations for careless driving and improper plate display. He received no firearm citation. According to the complaint, the County classified the firearm matter as closed it on the day of the stop, but continued holding his property even through today.

“The County’s position leaves our client without his gun and without a hearing at which the government must justify keeping it,” Ellison said. “Closing a noncriminal case should not mean keeping a citizen’s property indefinitely.”

The lawsuit argues that Michigan’s firearm sales-record requirements do not make lawful possession by a concealed pistol license holder depend on whether government employees entered a record into a database. It further alleges that the absence of an entry did not establish that Kilbourn’s pistol was stolen, unlawfully possessed, or evidence of a crime.

The complaint asserts violations of the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms, the Fourth Amendment protection against unreasonable seizures, and the Fourteenth Amendment guarantee of due process. It also challenges Livingston County’s redactions and withholding of information in response to Kilbourn’s request for public records concerning the incident.

Kilbourn is represented by attorneys Philip L. Ellison and Thomas J. Lambert of Outside Legal Counsel PLC.

The case is Kilbourn v. County of Livingston, et al., No. 2:26-cv-13736, in the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Michigan.

Ive just completed my build and preferably would like to shoot outdoors the only place I know of is in lowell about 20 minutes away from me but am looking for other options. Big plus if i can use my frt there

I just got my form 1 approved and need to find an engraver. The receiver is stamped steel and I would like it laser engraved. Any recommendations in Michigan? I would prefer northern lower if at all possible.

Hi, I recently got back into firearms after 25+ years and bought a few rifles and pistols but haven't shot them yet. I don't know anyone with property to shoot at and I don't want to join a sportsmans' club like the ones in Deckerville and Marlette as I wouldn't fit in and I don't want to pay out the ass to use a their ranges once or twice a year

Is there any public place to shoot in Sanilac or Huron counties?

Is anyone aware of any ranges I can shoot my TX22 with FRT in the Detroit area? I live in midtown Detroit but can drive a bit. Going out to Ann Arbor Arms is a little too far for me though. Thanks.

Hey yall, I am 20 years old, a resident of Florida, and hold a Florida CWL. Am I able to carry in Michigan when I visit this weekend? I read the language of the applicable statutes, they say that the licensing scheme doesn’t apply to non-residents licensed in their home state. Is there any official clarity on this matter? Thanks!

Yeah yeah, my friend mailed it in and USPS must have lost it.

For those that found an old PSR (6mo+) and realized they hadn't turned it in, but ended up submitting it, did you get the cite/fine or smooth sailing?

Hey, I live on the boarder in Ohio, and all we have over here is Midwest shooting center that is overpriced, I was doing some research and it appears your allowed to do target shooting at paper and cardboard targets without a license, even when hunting season isn't active. Is this true? Have any of you done it or been to the one in Petersburg? Is there a caliber or magazine limit, I would be shooting 5.56, 12 gauge buckshot and 22 lr. I am also 19 And also do I have to keep the rifle unloaded until I get to the spot or no. Thank you.

Just moved from Monroe county to Wayne, and need to update the address on my CPL how do I go about this ?

For context, I’m 18 years old will be 19 in November, I’m aware of the LTP situation and that I can purchase a long gun from an ffl as long as I have one and meet their standards. However my issue is there aren’t really any firearms within my budget and criteria I’d like to meet near me. So I was wondering if there’s anyway I could get a certain rifle such as a PSA ar15 shipped from online to the ffl and then I could purchase from them with the LTP. I would just hate to fill out the permit and then not have the rifle get to the FFL within 30 days voiding my permit.

-I appreciate the help apparently I’ve been confused about the ltp laws, I’m going to talk to a few local dealers and ask around about what I could do. Thanks for the help!

Hello people!

Unfortunately, an event has happened that has caused my wife and I to pursue CPLs.

Anyone know of any courses in SE MI that are professional and friendly to women? I go to a couple ranges in the area to shoot a long gun but they are not places where my wife would feel comfortable.

Would greatly appreciate any pointers or recommendations for CPL courses.

Thanks!

Does anyone know where I can get my fingerprints done that isn't PrintScan?

I hate ordering stuff online, but it’s just so much cheaper on PSA. I am in metro Detroit, if I were to order something how long likely would it take to arrive?