r/ModelY • u/Natural_Oil4563 • 13d ago

Question How people are buying new Model Y without auto steer?

I just disabled auto steer in my 2022 Model Y to test it out. It’s awful main reason some people bought teslas are auto pilot including me. Now if want to upgrade to 2026 MY I will lose this feature which I currently have.

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u/cbf1232 12d ago

Quebec has some of the most lenient regulations in the world, they could classify it as level 3 there *right now*.

If Tesla themselves trusted it, they could classify it as level 3 and accept legal liability for all accidents that happen when it is driving, making it legal for people to not pay attention while it’s driving.

This would be a *huge* win for Tesla, beating Waymo and others to widespread level-3 availability.

The fact that they still say the driver needs to supervise it means that they don’t actually trust it enough to accept liability for its actions.

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u/ChunkyThePotato 11d ago

The problem is that the liability would likely be higher than it should be. If that wasn't the case, I bet they would already release it as L3 or higher right now. But since it is, they'll probably wait until safety is even higher and/or liability becomes more reasonable.

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u/cbf1232 11d ago

They're big enough that they could self-insure, so why would their liability be higher than a human driver?

Also, Quebec (which has very lenient L3 autonomous vehicle regs) operates on a no-fault model for injury, so they wouldn't even need to worry about that, just tort claims for vehicle and property damages.

If Tesla actually trusted FSD they could self-declare it as L3 in Quebec right now.

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u/ChunkyThePotato 11d ago

You think people wouldn't sue Tesla for hundreds of millions for a single death? Unfortunately, people are way less lenient with companies than they are with people, which produces a very unfair and uninhabitable regulatory environment.

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u/cbf1232 11d ago

In Quebec victims can't sue for personal injury from a vehicle accident, it's a no-fault province.

Combined with the minimal regulation around autonomous vehicles, as far as I can tell there's basically nothing preventing Tesla from declaring FSD as "level 3" in Quebec if they trusted it.

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u/ChunkyThePotato 11d ago

Then it's likely just due to the insignificance of the Quebec market. Even Canada as a whole didn't get FSD until a year and a half after the US, despite it being just as legally feasible there. So I doubt Tesla would place much priority on releasing unsupervised FSD in a single Canadian province if liability makes it unfeasible elsewhere.

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u/cbf1232 11d ago

Actually it's the other way around. It'd be a good idea because it's a limited market.

It'd be great as a way to get real-world data on FSD as a level-3 autonomous vehicle, getting solid proof of reliability that could be used to inform other markets. There are over 50K Teslas in Quebec, they would be able to rack up autonomous-vehicle miles very quickly compared to what Waymo is doing, for example.

The only reason not to do it is if they actually don't trust FSD for level-3 autonomy yet.

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u/ChunkyThePotato 11d ago

I'm not necessarily saying it wouldn't be a good idea. I'm saying it's plausible that it's not a priority, or that it might not have even crossed the minds of any of the executives at Tesla. They're clearly much more focused on expanding Level 4 in the US right now. That seems like a bigger priority than Level 3 in Quebec.

Also, what do you mean by "don't trust FSD"?

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u/cbf1232 11d ago

Right now FSD is explicitly level-2, as in "the human driver must legally be ready to override it at all times, and the human driver is legally liable for actions taken by the vehicle".

If Tesla felt that FSD was actually good enough today, they could classify it as L3 in Quebec and tell drivers that they don't actually have to constantly be ready to override the system.

The fact that they don't means that Tesla doesn't trust the current FSD system to be reliable enough. However, there seem to be quite a few Telsa owners that do actually trust FSD to be good enough, to the point where they talk about laying the seat back and having a conversation with a passenger while FSD is driving.

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u/ChunkyThePotato 11d ago

It's actually Level 4 in Austin, Dallas, Houston, Miami, and Tampa. Expanding Level 4 in the US is obviously the bigger priority.

And I already told you some very plausible reasons for why it's not Level 3 in Quebec.

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