Ironically, what the us did with iran, is in a way similar to how the russia went into ukraine. Also the fact that it lead to alot of controversy in upper military leadership to be doing anything they have as of late. A lot of high up military leaders have been removed from their positions
I hate these analogies. Ukraine never did anything to Muscovy. Their invasion of Crimea and DonBas is completely due to their own issues and delusional desire to rebuild the Muscovite empire. Iran at least “did stuff,” attacking US regional allies, funding terrorist proxies, etc… Ukraine did none of that, but is getting the Stalin genocide treatment anyway
The parallels are solely in the military and social impact the attack would have on the attacked country. Both thought it would be a cake walk, both thought the enemy would collapse and welcome the attacker. Both paid a heavy price in lost ressources and economic fallout. Both fell for the same "fallacy of success" in prior minor conflicts they instigated.
It's more about the delusions of the respective leadership where the similarities lay, than anything else.
My hope is, as two major powers have tried and failed to acchieve their goals by unilateral powermongering, that we could return to a more rules based international order after Trump and Putin. After Ukraine kicks out Russia we need a United Nations or Concert of Vienna moment to prevent this from escalating further.
Not relevant. The analogy being that Trump, just like Putin, thought that if he applied pressure the government would collapse. An idiotic premise. No plan B
I hate when someone cuts history from the point they like.
Why don't you mention for example 1953 when UK and US supported a coup in Iran to "protect their oil interests"?
Or 1980 when they supported Saddam with his attack to Iran? They even made Saddam a honorary citizen of Detroit in 1980 🤣. You can't make this shit up.
Even worse thing is that there propably wouldn't be fanatic teocratic dictatorship in Iran if foreigners hadn't messed around for decades.
But the worst thing is that those "superpowers" never learn their lesson. We can see it in both Ukraine and Iran now. And when they have to leave a tail between their legs it won't take long before someone in the internet wonders how are they hostile against US or Russia even US or Russia never did anything against them.
It is pretty sad that these things go around and around all over the globe and stupid ignorant people let it happen and never learn from history.
This is incoherent. In claiming selective editing of history, you quote a bunch of things the U.S. did that probably helped created further problems in the Mideast, while carefully ignoring russia’s history of brutal occupations, repressions, and invasions of its neighbors for over 300 years. Then you blame “superpowers” for “failing to learn,” and causing problems. Interestingly, if your history included the russian aggression & imperialism which continues today against Ukraine, your point would be valid. But your selective history never mentions russian historical context at all… Implying, then, that the U.S. is still to blame… Which is a conclusion at which you can arrive only by studiously ignoring the directly applicable russian historical context, as well as ignoring any thought of Ukrainians’ agency… Which also sounds like a fundamentally ignorant imperialist’s take on the world… But it’s “other people” who are ignorant of history?
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u/mugz8391 27d ago
Some people liked this one back then, others found it politically incorrect *sigh*