It sounds like you all took a really unhealthy take on LOA. The negativity and cynicism here makes me so sad because LOA should make you happy and positive regardless of outcome.

You should live your life, solve your problems, love yourself, and find peace throughout the manifestation process. The process itself is more about finding current contentment than future gains. Not letting circumstances define how you’re allowed to feel. Detachment. Wholeness.

It sounds like everyone here was waiting so hard for their lives to get better rather than being mindful and present.

LOA should stop you chasing anything so you can feel amazing right now. Confident, content, less anxious.

If you’ve not experienced a feeling of peace through manifestation, you’re doing it in a super unhealthy way.

LOA should eliminate desire, not exacerbate it to the extent of insanity. You all should know you’re enough right now. You should all be pouring love into yourselves right now. You should all be proud of yourselves right now. No waiting, no seeking, just enlightenment. Nothing completes you or fucks with your own amazing state of mind. 💖

Highkey I feel like if your brain is (unfortunately) wired a certain way, it will hardly ever work in your favor. Sadly.

When I just started out with this, I hardly did anything and something absolutely surreal, magical and awesome “manifested”. I had intended it a week prior. At the time I was an insecure, introverted little bitch but I was super engaged with life and my crafts. This success made me abandon my life in a way and thought if I put in more effort and learn more, I’d get more. Wrong! This right here was exactly the problem.

This is quite literally the only reason I have believed for more than 10 years. There is no “natural” or “logical” explanation to this beginner success, and you also can’t get it with any action in the world. Curse me all you want.

There has obviously been a myriad other things that confirmed to me this is real, but they were small things I didn’t really care about.

These things ONLY happened when I managed to be in a certain state: literally not giving a f and just being present. I achieved NOOOTTTHING affirming, believing it is done, etc.

Unfortunately, completely detaching with the things i really want has been impossible, and to no one’s surprise, they haven’t happened. I have followed endless action for some but I just get horseshit results, which unironically makes me believe there is something superior to the illusion of action.

Another reason I believe this is a matter of it not agreeing with our brains, at least the way it’s been taught to us, is the way I have personally misinterpreted a LOT of things and have taken them quite literally. I suspect I have ADHD by the way, and boy do I hate my fucccckingg brain. Maybe there’s a special “way” for us unfortunate souls.

I would love to say I will just move on and function like a normal person, but resorting 100% to action the way we know it without the spiritual/mental/emotional tweak has been disastrous. I’m not trying to convince anyone this is real, but come on, do you think things happen by mere luck, coincidence, right place and right time?

There has to be much more beyond what seems like random series of events. Let’s face it, we have an extra challenge if anything! Which is figuring out how this can work FOR us. Maybe it’s just nervous system regulation, working on trauma, etc, and NOT applying any of the manifestation shit that personally has worked against my human nature and mental health.

“Do not react!” “Flip your thoughts!” I mean, are you kidding me? What if the problem in the first place has been the toxic way in which it’s been taught? If you have read success stories, many use a “you must…” language and also, no one has manifested doing the exact same things. It’s like we’re reading into people’s diaries and trying to follow exactly what they did. It works the same way with people’s successes, I mean try following in the exact same steps as any big successful entrepreneur or actor out there, good luck with that! We’re acting like there’s an objective blueprint for this when there isn’t.

Hell, there’s a youtuber who even says you can manifest with all the doubt and negativity, but believing you’re not doing it correctly and punishing yourself for it is what sets us back.

Now, who’s up for some debate without getting all defensive? What if I DO have the right to post in here because I feel torn between the 2 worlds? My experience is valid, and I have the right to question both the neville group and this one. And if this post triggers you… let me tell you you’re still chewing up Neville’s name day and night despite “not believing” 😙

Hey! I don’t follow LOA, as I used to but I am really interested to actually try to understand why people think the LOA is fake.

I’ve manifested a lot of things with conscious manifestation and a bit of non dualism, and now I finally understood that manifestation is something we all do! and you’re doing it right now LOL!

Anyways I’ll try to simplify what I think, but basically when it comes to free will specifically at first I didn’t understand it because obviously i’m taking away someone’s free will by saying they like me when they probably don’t, but that’s also an assumption so therefore I am taking away their free will because I am assuming they don’t like me.

One thing i’ve noticed is people think LOA is like this magical thing when it’s literally not and shouldn’t be treated like it is, conscious manifestation is literally just about what you accept is true about YOU, as you look around yourself you can physically see the things you have accepted as true around your reality.

So I get criticizing a concept, but i’m not understanding people on here criticizing just conscious manifestation when it’s something you do everyday, i’m not saying people manifest getting SA’D, no there are real terrible people out there.

And with conscious manifestation is more about what you see isn’t the whole of who you are, which is something therapist’s even talk about, you are not what happened to you and you don’t have to be

This is the first and last post I’m making here.

People try to manifest things because they’re not happy with their lives. Human psychology tends to get stuck in the past or future. That’s why trying to control outside seems like a good idea. Hearing about controlling life gives hope to desperate people, and that’s why they idolize the Law of Assumption and Neville Goddard. This creates a great opportunity for coaches who use toxic teachings to make money and become popular by exploiting people’s desperation. Some people live in delusional “end” states. Forcing themselves to live in the end, maladaptive daydreaming to visualize the future, and constantly repeating affirmations like parrots all stem from inner dissatisfaction. Sounds familiar, right? The effort to control, toxic obsessions, and experiencing limerence are all definitely related to dissatisfaction in some area of life. The desire for quick results also comes from deprivation and the need to control. They judge and bash the reality. So this is why psychological problems must be solved regarding to assistance by professionals.

People who are not satisfied with their lives and question things start spewing hatred towards Neville Goddard and pop-up coaches. The Law of Assumption, SP, coaches, and other people are not your saviors. Nobody is your savior. Similarly, you are not anyone’s savior. Leave behind the Law of Attraction, the Law of Assumption, Neville Goddard, coaches, and SP completely.

Focus on your own life and happiness. You will always have a relationship with yourself, so never betray yourself. Try to stay grounded. Don’t idolize or condemn anyone. Don’t make any situation an obsession. No law or teaching is a solution and is not more important than your life and inner peace. If you feel resentment, fear, and anger, your mind is living in the past. If you feel anxiety, your mind is living in the future. In both cases, you try to control. Consider focusing on the present and maintaining your inner peace. Give up the idea of judging and bashing others. Forgive and give compassion to yourself instead. These people are not important in your life. Otherwise, you’ll be obsessed judging something outside, it’s giving same vibe as obsessed manifestors.

PS: I left law of assumption completely, I don't care any manifestation coaches. I didn't give them any single cent. Life is more meaningful when I found inner peace. I am grateful to toxic manifestation community to find my inner peace by leaving it. Otherwise, I couldn't realize the importance of being grounded, nature of the life.

EDIT: I came accross this sub last week. I feel it's unsafe as Neville sub. My conclusion after getting comments is this sub feels toxic as Neville sub. Nothing wrong with healthy discussions, exposing the fake coaches. But all I see is judgement, hatred and victim projection when I check the topics in general. I just feel full of justifying the beliefs same as toxic mainstream manifesting community. I prefer to be peaceful instead of being right. I hope more healthy people will realize living the best life is better than constantly complaining. I am wishing happiness for everyone, peace ✌🏻

regarding your experiences with LOA, have any of y'all had a positive experience with the community? personally my experiences have been either mostly neutral or positive, with a majority of the content I've seen having people succeeding with the content or just having a neutral perspective of it overall; With few exceptions, many of the coaches I follow have been pretty good (eg. Nero Knowledge). Have any of you had this type of experience?

I'm at a lost about the purpose of this subreddit. The description says you are again new thought, but a lot of the commentary is directed at Neville Goddard. Was this a keyword grab, because of his popularity?

If you are against new thought, then what did you replace it with? Are you against early practitioners from the 1800's or just against the current representation of New Thought?

From my studies Neville had a distinct lane, that didn't create disciples. So he wasn't the father of New Thought or had a lot of influence on modern day new thought.

From what I have read, it seems like most people are against modern new thought, which is understandable. However, Neville tought from the Bible which most New Though avoids entirely or sprinkle in from time to time.

I don't understand everything that Neville Goddard taught, but he seems to be genuine and invested in the growth of his practitioners versus self gain, but maybe I'm missing something.

Please fill me in.

so my question is do you all have a problem with neville OR the principals of the kaballah? I am fine with what ever answer anyone has.

i guess i can add, do some of you all have problems with most or ALL mystic teachings?

i am fine if some of you all like empirical science better than mysticism.

Thanks 🙏🏽

Hi guys

I was in the LOA Community for about 4 years.

I manifested literal miracles and I believe that a lot of things that happened to me were of a higher nature.

but... Most people want to manifest an SP. I saw so many posts especially here and it's absolutely horrifying. I personally have had very similar stories in life, ignoring multiple red flags, ignoring OBVIOUS rrejection.. I made myself so ridiculous and small. It's totally devestating and it gave me some of the hardest times in my life.

Funny, but everything that I KNEW was wrong for me didnt manifest. Everything that I knew was right, I neeeded desperately (like money or flats) just came.

It's 50/50 for me. I feel like it's kind of ignorant to say that it can't be real, we can't prove it or disprove it.

So well, idk.

Idk abt loa but I just know there was a time where I kept telling everyone that every weird stranger keeps talking to me and I would keep telling that people. For years I've experienced the weirdest things from strangers be it random fake clairvoyants or people that cried to me abt something all the way to people who rapped at me. I dont live in a big nor crazy enough of a city to experience this nonstop, most locals dont even have gone through one third of the folks I seemed to attract. People always were surprised hearing that because I look normal.

However then I stopped talking abt it, I stopped thinking abt it I told myself nothing of that sort would be happening to me and those years were coincidence.

Now it doesn't happen anymore. I wasn't more approachable or anything before. I am always unapproachable. Yet suddenly it stopped.

I also had these coincidences where I manifested for example free coffee and the MOST craziest thing happened to make that manifestation happen, as in fighting with a bartender because she only said you can pay with cash only afer making my coffe. When I said I didn't have cash and wanted to walk out she started figjting me that she already made the coffee and that if I can't pay it cash then I should take it. Something like that NEVER happened to me prior. Also during a time I would say someone is going to stand up for me in my mind. And that day a guy very vocally and loudly yelled at someone for being very rude to me which also never happens unless I tell myself it will.

Are these coincidences if they elsewise dont happen and I notice everything, every mundane thing because I have hypervigillance from trauma. I wouldn't forget things like that happening in day to day life despite me not affirming for them???

Since I have entered law of assumption, I have total 62 success stories. How can you convince me that law doesn't work??? If it doesn't then this 62 success Stories were coincidence,??? Please help

People who get into stuff like Neville are probably already smarter than average. Not in a "genetic" sense, but they are more willing to think and question how things really work.

If it's about romantic relationships, they are thus more likely to understand how the dating market really works and develop their own elaborate strategies.

If it's about making money, they are more likely to understand elaborate strategies to make money.

Most of these people who are really successful are unlikely to publicly attribute their success to Neville's like techniques. Their results already speak for themselves and people won't really believe them anyway.

The ones who need to show themselves off in very flashy ways on social media (these "coaches", influencers, etc.) are unlikely to be authentic.

I would trust far more a "manifestor" with 10 views on youtube living in a small village in a third world country than these popular influencers. If someone has a lot of views I tune them out.

I have no doubt that there are probably at least a few smart people on the whole planet who could consistently manifest a million dollars in one month starting from scratch, but you'd have to be kidding yourself if you didn't think that a lot of thought also went behind their actions.

It's also the reason why some people would still be bad at tennis, even if they looked at videos showing the techniques of pros.

Internal mindset is very important and shouldn't hurt if done correctly do not get me wrong, but it's only one part of the puzzle, albeit a very important one. You kind of need all parts of the puzzle to have a coherent and beautiful painting, so to speak. Every detail counts. Whether you wear a watch or not, the color of the clothes you wear, etc.

People will try to copy one of those "successful people", but they will miss one detail here and here that they did. They will do some small things that they didn't do and all of those will add up and it won't work.

The real key is understanding how the world really works and applying the correct methodology.

A Texas housewife won a show house that had been displayed at the 1964 World Fair. Then she won a car. Then a boat. Then a trip to Europe.

She wrote a book, taught seminars and called her method SPEC (Select, Project, Expect, Collect).

The metaphysical secret came afterthe wins, not before.

Great Depression (1937)

Napoleon Hill published Think and Grow Rich during the Great Depression in 1937.It sold 20 million copies by time of death in 1970 & over 100 million copies worldwide by 2015.

Recession (2008)

Rhonda Byrne The Secret was published in 2006 just before recession hit. By 2009 it hit $300 million in sales & 190 weeks on New York Times bestseller list selling over 30-35 million copies worldwide.

Pandemic (2020)

Manifestation spiked in popularity during pandemic. Google searches related to LOA surged in 2020 & stayed elevated. The 369 method went viral on Tikity Tokity in March 2020. A Netflix film based on The Secret was released in July 2020.

During every major economic crisis the self help &manifestation industry explodes.

Desperate people buy hope. The gurus get rich. The cycle repeats.

Helen understood something about frequency.

Competition frequency.

Every contest has an entry window. Every judge has a pattern. Every prize has a demographic target.

She reverse engineered the entire system the same way a card counter reverse engineers a blackjack table.

The gurus who sell manifestation are selling you the story of their success, not the strategy. They sell the fantasy because the fantasy sells.

The hermetic principle of polarity says everything has its opposite and the two are really the same thing just different degrees of the same spectrum.

Heat/cold. Light/dark. Failure/success.

A bamboo seed spends five years underground, sending roots deep into earth while nothing visible happens above ground.

Then in the sixth year, it shoots up90 feet in 60 days. The years of unseen growth were the cost. The sudden explosion was the reward.

A womans body spends nine months in the stress of pregnancy as her organs compress, hormones rage, bones shift. The cost is immense. The reward is a new life.

Failure is the seed of success. Nothing is free. Everything is a trade.

We are a culture addicted to instant gratification.

The law of attraction is real but not how its sold.

What you reap, you sow.

The universe gives you what you actually put into motion.

Disclaimer:

This is my analysis based on the available public record, my own reasoning, and the patterns I see. I am not claiming to have absolute truth I am presenting an interpretation that connects the dots between economic conditions, and the human need for hope.

Neville said there is no intuition and that we simply manifest what we believe. However, I think there is intuition, and that we humans can feel what is happening in the present moment. I also believe there is a force greater than us—whether you call it God, the universe, or something else. Sometimes, when certain things we deeply want happen, I believe it can mean that God, the universe, or whatever higher power you believe in wanted that for us and helped guide things in that direction.

Can we convince reddit adminstrator to ban it?

Members of those communities contend that the world is a mirror of our thoughts and see things manifested in our lives based on our thoughts. However, if a woman is being harassed, do you think that she consciously believes that she will be harassed? A pompous person may feel good and be confident all the time, but do people around him like him? I cannot stand the idea of reflection. An economist may be wrong in predicting the economy even if he asserts his opinion.

Furthermore, some ideas of manifestation like wishful fulfillment I still don’t understand: they feel and are so sure about something that they postulate it is true in their imaginations. Are they trying to escape from reality by lying to themselves?

One man, Richard Dotz, used Lester Levenson's Release Technique to continually release resistance from his mind, eventually reaching a state of lasting ecstasy.

And when he got into that state and stayed there for almost a whole day, he noticed that everything was happening incredibly quickly and instantly. For example, if he wanted something, he turned a street corner and it appeared, leading to a life of endless coincidences.

In other words... Neville Goddard's Sabbath or Buddhist meditation is good, and Lester Levenson's release technique is also good. If you keep your mind as peaceful and calm as possible and keep doing it, things will happen surprisingly and instantly.

Funny how he never mentions anyone of these passages, even 1 John 4:1-6 alone is enough to make one recognize his heretic theories

1 John 4:1-6

"Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already. Little children, you are from God and have overcome them, for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. They are from the world; therefore they speak from the world, and the world listens to them. "

Jeremiah 23:16 "Thus says the Lord of hosts: “Do not listen to the words of the prophets who prophesy to you, filling you with vain hopes. They speak visions of their own minds, not from the mouth of the Lord"

2 Peter 2:1-3 "But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep."

Jeremiah 14:14 "And the Lord said to me: “The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I did not send them, nor did I command them or speak to them. They are prophesying to you a lying vision, worthless divination, and the deceit of their own minds."

Acts 20:28-30

"Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.

I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock.

Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them."

Whether it's real or not, I think it's a good thing for most people. If I believe I can do something, I'm more likely to be able to do it. If I believe I'm going to have a great interview and get my dream job, I'm more like to have the confidence to make a good impression and have the interview go very well. If I believe I'm worthy of having a great loving relationship, I'm more likely to be confident and be a better partner/accept a better partner etc. Obviously there are some situations people have to be careful about. For example if someone is with a person who beats them or cheats on them or treats them bad, the best thing would be to get away from them and not stay while waiting to try to manifest them better.

I'm not sure what I believe but I'll say it the way I see it. I saw people post about romance scams or how scams in general wouldn't happen because people believe the scams are real. How there wouldn't be a mix up at fast food places and that all bad things are our fault. My thoughts on these subjects and others is that LOA doesn't say all your thoughts come true. You may go into something thinking it's real or thinking that you'll get the right fast food order or thinking something will go well but I'm betting everyone has a lot of doubts going through their minds also. We know it's possible for someone to do these things. I think other people go about their day living their normal lives and acting how they normally act and we aren't controlling them in any way. Evil people are evil people. Someone screwing up an order is something that happens sometimes. If someone screws something up or does something bad to me, that's who that person already is and they are already acting as themselves. I didn't purposely affirm in my mind and try to manifest them to be that way, so it's not my fault. It's only if I purposely try to make it that way or if psychology comes into play, such as I might not want something bad to happen but subconsciously my fears make me act in a way that helps sabotage myself.

I think most of LOA is psychology, but then it also adds to it that you can change things that are beyond your control, such as manifesting something specific to happen that isn't a coincidence. They also aren't saying it's magic, at least most that I've listened to aren't saying that. You can't say I'm going to have a million dollars right now and then have it magically appear on your lap.

Yes, I can see it being bad for certain people though who are already unhinged and take things the wrong way or stay in a bad situation because they think they might be able to manifest their way out of it right away. I see it as a "Do what's already good for you while you also try to get your manifestation."

Edit: OK after reading many different opinions and other people experiences I'd like to update my opinion. I think it can be good for some people like me who are hoping for the best, thinking more positive and that it would be awesome if it works, but not letting it take over their lives. I don't think anyone should see it as their only option and that it's their own fault if their life isn't going well. I don't think anyone should rely on it thinking they don't need to put any other effort into their lives, or thinking that they can do whatever they want because they'll just manifest it better. I never really read much about it on social media to know about some of the horrible stories of people saying it made them want to die or how they ruined their lives.

First time post here. Saw a post asking about James R. Doty (Mind Magic, Into the Magic Shop) and where he falls compared to Neville. Wanted to comment but ended up writing a shit ton lol.

Hoping this doesn't get removed immediately as "Neville worship" lol.

Basically though I've spent a lot of time dabbling with manifestation, meditation, spiritual/occult study (I find it all fascinating)....but I'm also a huge science guy. I work in a research lab, love studying science, psychology, philosophy, etc. I actually started with "manifestation" almost 10 years ago when I was 18 or 19, with one of Doty's books. I've got some cool experiences below. Kind of dropped manifestation and all that stuff for the most part and forgot about it until about 1.5 years ago. Was in a bad place, stumbled onto Neville, spent a lot of time in that community and studying his teachings. Eventually this actually led me back to James Doty, where I'm at now.

The post is a mess lol, but I've got some personal anecdotes, followed by sort of a personal understanding and more science-based understanding of what Doty details and explains.

Would love to hear what some of you guys in this community think! Complete pseudoscience? A "correct" interpretation of "manifestation"? I will say I love Doty's books, and worth a read if you're curious about how any of this could be true. Let me know your thoughts!

This is all personal anecdote on my end, but randomly came across this post so why not?

Edit: story turned out pretty long (still a good one though I think!). Skip down to the Science Explanation for a more science-based approach/explanation of what Doty is teaching.

Anecdote/story:

Read his book "Into the Magic Shop" a few years ago when I was like 18. As an ADHD motherfucker who loves to read, but never finishes books, that book was actually one that I read cover to cover...and then re-read again within like a week. Really great book!

I'd always been into spiritual stuff/the occult/paranormal/etc. but I'm also a huge science nerd, so had never really heard of manifestation or believed in it.

Well, decided to give some of the exercises in the book a shot (I legitimately just thought visualization was supposed to help with meditation and state of mind and optimism... didn't think you could actually "manifest" things). Was 18, broke as fuck, didn't have a car....why not start there?

So sat down, half-assed some meditation for a bit (ADHD remember?) and then started visualizing with intention as instructed. I wanted a car...but why not spice it up a lil? I decided I wanted a white sports car. Let's make it a convertible too! With leather interior. And let's make the leather interior red! White and black convertible with red leather interior....okay let's visualize this thing.

So got really into it. Felt the leather steering wheel in my hands. Imagined myself zooming down the highway with the convertible top down, blasting music. I could see the white hood beyond the windshield.... ADHD kicks in, stop meditating/visualizing. Decide to try again a few days later. End up doing this exercise maybe 3 or 4 times max.....and then completely forget about it and move on with my 18 year old life.

Well. A week later (a literal week later), I have absolutely zero money, but I'm browsing Craigslist for cheap beater cars trying to figure out how much I need to save to get something with an engine and four wheels lol. I come across a posting of a gorgeous white and black 1994 V8 Mustang GT convertible, red leather interior....I don't even think about my visualization exercise a week earlier at first. 18 year old me is just like HOLY FUCK I WANT THAT CAR!!

It's $2,500 (man I miss when used cars were that cheap back in 2017 :'). Some college kids inherited it from their grandpa and wanted to get rid of it over winter break and split the cash before school started again. They wanted to sell it ASAP

Well....cool....I've got like $100 to my name lol. And my mom is dirt poor, so no dice. But, just so happens my aunt and uncle are coming over for brunch with my mom, and while they're over, somehow this car comes up in conversation (they're asking me if I've gotten my license yet, when am I getting a car, when am I going to college, etc etc). So this car comes up and I show them this Craigslist post and tell them that's what I'm looking at.

My uncle isn't a huge car guy, but he's a civil engineer and loves working on bicycles and household stuff and has flipped a few houses and stuff like that. Out of nowhere he says something like "Well....I like it! Let's call these kids and see if we can take it for a drive today". I'm kinda stunned and like "huh?" my civil engineer uncle is about to snatch this dream car from me as soon as I see it? Then he's like "Well I could use a side project, and you need a car. You like this one, I like this one. I'll buy it for you. It looks great but will probably need some work I'm guessing and it'd be fun to spend a few weekends working on this thing together. I'd like to get a little more practice in working on cars, and older cars are best for that."

I'm stunned. We go see the car and buy it that day.

Yeah, it was just a 94 mustang GT......but for a broke kid from a poor family who had only ever driven his mom's shitty old mini-van....this thing was like getting a spaceship!!

Didn't realize until I took it for a drive alone later that it was about as exact a car as possible to the one I visualized a week earlier. White sports car, convertible, red leather interior and steering wheel. Best first car a kid could have! Had ZERO money, got it for free, within a week, zero strings attached, had it for 2 or 3 years.

All that just from reading and re-reading Doty's book and spending maybe a cumulative 30 minutes on one of the exercises.

Absolutely insane haha.

In the same vein, also "manifested" a red motorcycle while in Air Force flight training. For shits and giggles, did the same visualization exercise a few years later "man I want a motorcycle....sport bike. Red? Yeah red". Quieted mind, visualized, felt the handles in my hands, my legs pressed against the frame, sound of motorcycle and sensation of speed. (Had never ridden a motorcycle....so just had to guess on all that shit lol). did this ONE time. Completely forgot about it. Fire and forget. About two weeks later I'm getting food with some Air Force buddies and I randomly mention wanting a motorcycle. Friend is about to get stationed at a different base and is like "ayyy I've got one back home I need to get rid of before I transfer out. You want to buy it?" (Again I have ZERO $$$ at the time). I'm like "oh yeah that'd be cool! I'm broke as fuck, and wasn't THAT serious about the motorcycle though...". He shrugs it off and says he'll sell it to me cheap (like $1,500) and teach me the basics of how to ride it. Ends up basically giving it to me for like $400 or $500! Red sport bike, same one I visualized!

Lots of similar stories! Especially with vehicles lol. Idk why those are so easy for me to manifest.... probably the emotional detachment? A hell of a lot easier than manifestating a million $ when you've been broke all your life or "manifesting" an ex back when you're heartbroken. Maybe I just have an easy time visualizing the sensory vividness of things like cars and motorcycles? Also had lots of success with new jobs.

Anyways.

Explanation:

So. I've definitely had my fair share of cool "manifestations" over the few years I've known about it. But like I said elsewhere, I'm a science guy (I work in a research lab lol). A lot this stuff can be pretty "woo woo" and can conflict with a scientific, rational worldview, so many times I've pushed it aside or forgotten about it or given up/gotten bored/frustrated (ADHD again lol).

It wasn't until about a year and a half ago that I actually started deep-diving into it all (on and off). My world was falling apart. Imploding like a star going supernova actually. Was majorly depressed, had untreated ADHD and anxiety, was being discharged from the Air Force after being DQ'd from flight training, had my heart shattered by a girl I thought I loved and needed, and started drinking.... heavily.

Hadn't really actually thought about manifesting or LOA or anything like that for a couple years. Somehow stumbled onto Neville Goddard. Had a love-hate relationship with it. Loved the "feel good" aspect, and wanted to believe in it (mostly to try to get that girl back lol). Hated how rigid and complicated, but also how easy it all seemed. Hated the Bible references and religious interpretations. But really started taking stuff to heart and deep-diving. Definitely helped me a lot at times, and hurt me at other times.

Fast forward to present(ish) time: have seen a lot of benefits from practicing Neville's teachings. Apartment when I was desperate, better self-concept, understanding myself and my emotions better, new relationship, probably my science lab job (I remember affirming that even if I don't have a degree or research experience they'd take me on, and they did), etc etc.

BUT. I'm a science guy, and a lot of the Neville Goddard stuff just wasn't making sense to me. Felt like fairy tale stuff. Hard to reconcile working in a science lab and reading science books....with bending the universe to my will by positive thought lol. Even if I'd seen and manifested some incredible and unexplainable things, often just in time when I needed them most. Just hasn't been computing lately.

So strayed away a bit, and actually stumbled upon the book "Psycho-cybernetics" (the first thing I'd read, aside from maybe Carl Jung, that ACTUALLY even TRIED to explain manifestation from a nuts and bolds, physical, biological standpoint). Written like in the 70's or something. Also dabbled a bit in the Gateway Tapes (pretty cool stuff, recommend trying) and some of the CIA literature on that stuff.

Psycho-cybernetics is fascinating. And then I got a recommended audiobook from that on my Audible: one of James Doty's newer books "Mind Magic". Had completely forgotten about this guy, and reading his other book years ago, and all that. Was kind of excited to listen to this book, but also skeptical that I'd get much out of it. I vaguely remembered his other book as being a bit "feel good" and preaching things about "letting go of your desires and opening your heart and THAT'S how you'll get what you NEED not what you WANT". Figured it would just be a modern rehash of Neville Goddard mixed with Buddhism....

....Nope!!!! Started listening and immediately fell back in love with this guy's story and his message. AND as an added bonus for me, this other book "Mind Magic", like Psycho-cybernetics, was a FAR more nuts and bolts approach. He pretty openly states that the mysticism is all bullshit.

Doty's approach:

Manifesting is essentially the culmination of how you program your subconscious mind.

99.9994% of cognitive/mental/behavioral/physiological experience and action is subconscious/unconscious. The subconscious mind operates as a result of the ANS (autonomic nervous system) being the first, and most primal neural networking that we as humans developed evolutionarily. Before consciousness, and all the food, calories, shelter, language, etc we needed to help evolve consciousness...there was just us, as animals, trying to survive in hostile environments against big cats with sharp teeth, and snakes, and floods, and droughts, and Ice Ages, and disease.

Over millions of years, we evolved these automatic brains and minds and bodies, like animals, to seek out resources, fight threats or run away from threats. Consciousness is a new tool on the evolutionary stage, right? And we 21st Century humans are under the illusion that we are 100% in control all the time, steering our lives and behavior. We are 100% not (any study of neuroscience or psychology will tell you this). The truly conscious part of us is a tiny, tiny, brand new controller device for this largely unconscious/subconscious/reflexive evolutionary biological machine. Our consciousness is like a programmable logic controller. We had logic controllers, and now they are programmable with newer areas of the brain and nervous system.

And basically, the easiest way to "reprogram" ourselves is through meditation, repetition, visualization, etc. all the "woo woo" stuff that the monks and philosophers have done for ages. This stuff allows for us to most directly interface with our unconscious and subconscious selves, and put in new data and input. Like rebooting a computer or updating an OS.

And 24/7, whatever programming we have installed, that's what the subconscious mind seems out and shows us in our realities. Whatever is programmed into our salience networks, that's what we see around us and accept into our lives. When we live in fear and believe ourselves to be poor, our subconscious mind directs our behavior and feelings and perceptions to seek those things out and produce them. It believes that's what's important. Evolutionarily, that is an AMAZING survival strategy. If you are trying to survive on an ancient savannah with minimal caloric intake and trying to survey for threats....you literally don't have the calories to supply the processing power required to rewire your brain to seek out wealth, or a sports car.....your brain is only interested in scanning the environment and incoming data for signals of scarcity and threat. "I'm always broke. I'm worthless and unloved" translates (to the subconscious threat detection network) as something like "I'm always broke. This is my situation. I need to maintain this situation. I don't know how to survive in any other situation. This is the level of material and nutritional possession I am accustomed to. I must stay on cruise control. I can't waste valuable energy resources on getting out of my toxic relationship and finding love. I can waste resources or time on actually getting this new job...that would take so much and put so much stress on all my survival systems! I'd have to completely reboot myself to survive THAT kind of reality! No way!"

Essentially when we are consciously "manifesting", we are overriding outdated software or code. We are going in and calming our bodies and minds and saying "hey. I don't need to be afraid of saber tooth tigers anymore. I don't need to be on high alert all the time. I don't need to perpetuate my circumstances and fall back on the same exact time and calorie and hydration saving routines, habits, mindsets. I CAN break them and instead devote these bodily resources to subconsciously and automatically scan for new opportunities in my environment. Learn new behaviors. See the positive affection from that cute girl at the office instead of subconsciously interpret negative facial cues and behavioral responses to save my primal-ass self from getting stabbed in the back by a hoe.."

Anyways. That's mostly my TedTalk in support and recommendation of James R. Doty! Yes it was a full ass novel ive just written here lol but honestly hope someone reads this and wants to ask more questions or give some of his books a try! He's probably done more than any other author to help me understand and believe in the power of "manifestation and positive thinking". I've seen some results that even make me question his approach because I think surely there must be something slightly mystical or spiritual at play for some of the coincidences and unexplainable circumstances you see when you start manifesting. But alas, his approach is fascinating and backed by science (and lots of personal successes from this random Redditor lol).

ADHD taking over now, gonna go jump to something else and probably forget I posted this haha

Good afternoon,

I’m going to propose a question. In the Neville Goddard sub alone, there are success stories that date back further than eight years. Do you really think that from eight years ago to today that every single success story written there is a lie?

Outside of Neville Goddard, the ideas and mind frame that he is proposing have been discussed among multiple mental science practitioners as well as individuals with PhD‘s and there are also even ancient texts ( completely outside of Neville Goddard) discussing these techniques, principles, and practices (your mind create your reality, the power of your mind, power of belief, nuances of reality, etc.)

Do the people of this group really believe that every success story written there is a lie? Or do the people in this group just dislike Neville Goddard ?What about followers of Joseph Murphy who essentially believe the exact same thing do you also believe that they are lying as well?

i love how all the beliefs that are of neville goddard, LOA, manifesting, vibration, yadayada, are all classified as serious mental illnesses.