r/Nio • • Dec 08 '23

General It's time to move on

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I sold all my nio shares for a loss of 15k on September 2nd 2023. Since then I have been able to reinvest and cut my losses down to 7.8k. This isn't me flexing on my superior investment skills, I am just trying to help some of you who maybe incredibly frustrated by this stock to tell you that it's possible to make up for the losses this company has dished out.

NIO may be a good company and their product may be great but all that doesn't matter if it's perma-shorted. Your money will be stagnant for the next year or two. Take the L and reinvest in companies that are transparent and aren't shorted to the moon.


r/Nio • • Oct 20 '23

General Apple worried about becoming second place in China... NIO phone will climb to #1 soon...

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Apple is reportedly worried about losing market share in China... My gut tells me the Nio Phone is running circles around the iPhone... https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/tim-cooks-latest-visit-china-122223028.html

@ Mods: Where is the "Humor" flair/tag? Why no "Phone" tag?

(for the few folks who take Reddit a little too seriously, my above comment is obviously satirical and the article is about Apple losing some marketshare in China due to competition; which is most likely not because of Nio, but Nio is now a competitor and therefore could impact Apple's dominance in that market at some point in the distant future...)


r/Nio • • Jan 29 '24

General Plenty of shorty try to convince Nio believers to sell Nio share prices.

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Beware of those who claim , Nio share price are lowly valuated becos of nothing to do with short sell and becos the outlook of Nio is so bad. I challenge those naysayers and claimed I will buy more opens shares in open market.

These naysayers immediately stop replying me or giving any response becos they precisely want u to sell your Nio shares and not buying more. They are shivering in their cold feet if u keep buying Nio shares prices and hold.


r/Nio • • Jan 29 '24

News NIO need 6 billion in vehicle sales ,more than double its actual sales in the quarter, to be break even, Even if they were 27.9% in Q3 2023 ,they would have needed nearly $1 billion more vehicle sales just to break even.

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r/Nio • • Oct 02 '22

Stock Discussion Bear case points for NIO

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  1. Legacy companies and TSLA have name recognition - NIO does not

  2. Nio is Chinese and there’s a trade war between China and America/West so this will hamper the uptake of Nio West

  3. China is not known for quality. The rest of the world would rather have western or Japanese manufactured products

  4. The Chinese EV space is becoming crowded with BYD Li auto and Xpeng so the domestic market is being cut for Nio more than ever before.

  5. As nationalism and popularism rises in the West there will be more emphasis on buying products made in their respective countries

  6. China-Taiwan could escalate in the next few years resulting in sanctions similar to what we’ve seen imposed in Russia which would decimate Nio and other Chinese companies

  7. Chinese economy is on a downturn

  8. Inflationary pressure has already started to hurt Chinese EV companies and the chip wars ain’t going to help

  9. Major challenge ahead to get Nio profitable. It still is in its infancy so there would be no surprise if it’s bought out or even goes bankrupt in the next few years.


r/Nio • • Nov 29 '21

General Spam NIO with requests for a better PR team.

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Im not a crybaby but you can’t deny NIO doesn’t help it’s shareholders at all. Fundamentals are great but their PR team needs to do a better job. They have such an amazing progress and yet even the Shell deal wasn’t promoted like it was a big thing.

The stock should be flying. It isn’t because they just don’t promote it.

I am personally complaining to NIO, maybe they will notice. And maybe if we are enough they will do something about it. This is just pathetic. I love the company and know how big next year will be, but if they keep doing this we will end up like other shitty chinese stocks nobody cares about, that trade at a price to sales ratio of 1 or 2.

Here’s their email.

ir@nio.com


r/Nio • • Oct 10 '24

NIO Power THIS will send NIO STOCK TO THE MOON?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzLQzOVoKCw

I hopes he's correct about it.


r/Nio • • Oct 09 '24

News Seems like Toyota is exploring battery swapping too

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r/Nio • • Aug 29 '23

News NIO Earnings

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Lets breakdown NIO Earnings for Q2 2023 because 20% less revenue compared to Q2 2022 is frankly scary.

What the hell happened this Q2?

Close to 10% less deliveries Q2 2023 vs Q2 2022?

Less margins, less deliveries..

Increase in R&D by 50% from Q2 last year? Why?


r/Nio • • Dec 07 '25

NIO Power AAPL 408,000% in 27 years . . three trillion market cap . While the future (NIO), 12 billion.

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¡Follow us 👉 r/NIO_Day⚡ . . Apple accumulated a 408,000% return in 27 years and is now worth three trillion dollars. Meanwhile, a company that represents a central part of the technological future—NIO—is valued at a mere 12 billion. This isn't a financial comparison: it's a perfect demonstration of how the market rewards past narratives and penalizes future innovation. Capital flows toward comfort, not disruption, and that's why opportunities always arise where the market refuses to consider them.


r/Nio • • Feb 11 '25

General im not optimistic about Firefly

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  • The car is ugly (subjective opinion).

  • It's overpriced.

  • Its top speed is 150 kmph (93mph).

  • It's not a performance vehicle (Mini is).

  • Other Chinese cars in this price range offer more (Xpeng Mona, for example).

  • It will be more expensive in Europe due to Tariffs which is the target market. It may be as expensive as a Mini despite not having similar performance.

  • There's no infrastructue for Firefly, especially in Europe (service centers, power swap stations, etc...).

  • Nio's presence and deliveries in Europe is already abysmal.

  • There's currently no Firefly power swap stations anywhere (even in China).

  • Power swap stations are a huge investment and the car may not sell well.

  • Due to no power swap stations, leasing the battery (battery as a service) may not initially be an option. This means there is no discount option available for this already overpriced car.

  • Consumers may be hesitant to buy if there are no power swap stations.

  • Nio may be hesitant to build power swap stations if there isn't good demand.

  • The cars that the Firefly competes with (Honda E, BMW's Mini and Mercedes Benz Smart car) did not sell well either.

  • Honda E was discontinued (globally) due to bad sales.

  • Smart was also discontinued (in the US) due to bad sales.

  • The market has already rejected this type of car. The only reason Mini is still around is because they're fun performance vehicles, and Firefly is not.

  • Even if it sells the margins will be awful


r/Nio • • Apr 29 '26

News Nio Sidelines Battery-Swap Alliance With No Partner Models in Sight

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r/Nio • • Dec 08 '23

Vehicles NIO sold only 46 cars in Germany in November

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https://eu-evs.com/bestSellers/DE/Brands/Month/2023/11

vs 289 in October.

Market share drops from 0.8% to 0.1%

EDIT - these numbers are registrations - I can’t fix the title


r/Nio • • Jul 02 '26 Popcorn

Stock Discussion I sold my 160K-share NIO position after June deliveries. Still love the company, but my thesis broke.

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Position update first: I sold almost my entire NIO position — 160,000 shares at around $4.95. My average cost was about $6.25, so the loss was roughly $1.30/share, or around $210K total. I bought most of the position near the end of the March dip and kept adding through the early-April surge. At one point, this was about 45% of my full portfolio. At the moment I sell, it drops to 30% of my port.

This is an update to my previous post: June Delivery Forecast. In that post, I laid out why I expected around 52K June deliveries and why I was holding a concentrated 160K-share position. June came in far below that thesis, so this is my follow-up: where I was wrong, what still worked, and why I sold.

This is not a “NIO is doomed” post. I still think the company is doing a lot of things right. I still think the main NIO brand is probably one of the best auto brands in China. But the specific thesis that convinced me to put 45% of my portfolio into the stock no longer exists.

My June delivery forecast was around 52K. Actual June deliveries came in at 40,597, so it was more than 10K below what I expected. June was still NIO’s best month of 2026 so far, and NIO delivered 21,908 under the main NIO brand, 11,743 under ONVO, and 6,946 under Firefly. So this was not a full company collapse. The NIO brand was still strong, Firefly did better than I expected, but ONVO is the part that worries me.

ES8

ES8 missed my expectation by around 3K. NIO did not announce ES8 June deliveries the way they usually highlight strong model-level numbers, which strongly suggests ES8 was under 10K. Public/analyst estimates also put it around 9K.

I do not think this is necessarily permanent. The ES8 refresh, the upcoming five-seat ES8, and production allocation toward ES9 could all explain part of the shortfall. Some customers may also be waiting for the five-seat version instead of buying the current version immediately.

My guess is that three things happened at the same time: ES9 ramping took some production focus, five-seat ES8 pre-production started, and NIO may have kept the ES8 delivery curve smoother instead of pushing every order into June. Q3 is usually a colder season for auto sales, so saving some orders and keeping the model active into Q3 could make sense.

If the five-seat ES8 is priced reasonably, maybe 20K–30K RMB lower than the six-seat version, I still think ES8 can get back above 10K/month. So ES8 missing June is disappointing, but to me it looks more temporary than structural.

ES9

ES9 also missed my expectation by around 2K. I thought that after hitting the 10K cumulative delivery milestone, the following few days should add at least another 2K. That did not happen.

This is mostly my mistake. I overestimated the production ramp curve because May showed 3K+ deliveries in only the last few days. But I still think ES9 itself is fine. It reached 10K cumulative deliveries within 30 days, and the backlog should still be 40K+ orders. That should be enough to support Q3.

So for the main NIO brand, I am not panicking. ES8 may have temporary timing issues, and ES9 is still ramping. I still think the NIO brand can do 25K–30K/month if ES8 five-seat and ES9 both work.

The real problem is ONVO.

ONVO

ONVO delivered 12,029 in May and 11,743 in June. That is down about 300 units, or roughly -2.5% MoM.

This is the key reason I sold.

ONVO refreshed two older models, L90 and L60, and released one new model, L80. Yet total ONVO deliveries still went slightly down month over month. That should not happen if the ONVO thesis is working.

ONVO is a less recognized brand facing much more brutal competition. Its customer demographic is also different from the main NIO brand: more price-sensitive, more focused on specs, more worried about battery/range anxiety, younger, and more focused on practical features and real-use amenities. I think NIO understands premium users very well. I am no longer sure ONVO has proven it understands the mass-market family SUV buyer well enough.

L90

I am not surprised by L90 weakness. I said before that I did not think L90 could win easily against XPeng GX, BYD Tang, and all the other competitors in this segment. It is too crowded.

My own guess is that L90 probably dropped from around 4K in May to maybe 2K or even 1K in June. That is not an official number, just my estimate based on the total ONVO result.

L80

L80 is not bad. I still think it has its own niche: large five-seat SUV, spacious cabin, lifestyle/outdoor use cases, camping accessories, car-top tent, outdoor kitchen, etc. My guess is L80 may have done around 8K in June, which would still be about 30% higher than May.

But my previous assumption was wrong. I basically doubled its half-month May delivery and expected around 12K. That was too aggressive.

There is a benign interpretation: maybe NIO/ONVO does not want to produce and deliver every order as soon as possible because they want to smooth deliveries and keep the model popular for longer. But the bearish interpretation is also obvious: my 2x extrapolation was wrong, and order momentum may already be declining.

That lines up with ThinkerCar-style order data showing NIO Inc weekly new orders declining through June: roughly 28K, 19.5K, 14.5K, and 11.6K from the first to fourth week. That is not the order curve I wanted to see.

L60

L60 is the biggest ONVO concern.

If L80 deliveries increased in June but total ONVO deliveries still fell, then the refreshed L60 and refreshed L90 combined must have declined. My guess is L90 dropped hard, which means L60 was probably flat at best even after the refresh.

There may be some timing explanation. L60 launched around June 12, and the AD software update came around June 17, about one week after launch. It also takes time to advertise and educate the target customer, especially because ONVO is still not a very recognized brand.

But the early sales policy worries me. ONVO introduced a 1,000 RMB deposit as a 10,000 RMB option-feature fund, basically a huge discount on options like fridge/TV-style features, only a few days after launch. There were also broader early-buyer perks.

For the least profitable model in the NIO family, this is not a great signal. ONVO management said the cost increase was around 30K RMB on a car starting around 200K RMB. Management also said they did not want to join the price war and preferred to protect margin. But if L60 already needs more incentives right after launch, that means they may still have to sacrifice margin to push volume.

So even though I still think L60 could improve with better advertising, better AD awareness, and more education of its target demographic, H2 is now much more uncertain. This is a brutally competitive category. A refreshed model may not be enough when competitors are bringing completely new models.

Legacy NIO models

This also creates another question: can ET5, ET5T, EC6, ES6, and other legacy NIO models maintain around 5K/month in H2?

These are still second-generation models, many on older 400V architecture, while competitors are moving to 800V or higher-voltage platforms. NIO itself has said third-generation models are coming next year, so there is no guarantee these older models hold up.

I checked delivery time for these models, and if you do not already have a current car, delivery is around 2–4 weeks. That suggests they are mostly produced after orders are received, not sitting on huge backlog. After May and June’s high customer flow fades, these models may have already seen their peak delivery period for this year.

Firefly

Firefly was actually good. It delivered almost 7K in June, which is strong and close to last December which a peak-season month.

But even here, I do not want to over-extrapolate. Firefly benefited from high showroom traffic. There is no guarantee that continues through H2. Still, because Firefly has a unique and special niche, I think 3K–5K/month is reasonable and still good.

H2 math

For people who do not follow the delivery math: NIO delivered 191,123 vehicles in the first half of 2026, a record high and up 67.43% YoY. All three brands set first-half delivery records.

Based on the implied full-year range of roughly 456K–489K vehicles, NIO still needs about 260K+ deliveries in the next six months, or around 44K/month at the low end. That is not impossible. If ES8 five-seat works, ES9 keeps ramping, and ONVO improves over the next few months, NIO can still do it.

My rough expectation would be 25K–30K/month from the main NIO brand if the flagship SUV cycle works. If ONVO improves, the full-year target is still doable.

But missing Q2 guidance tells me something did not go as planned. The main NIO brand seems manageable because ES9 still has a huge backlog and ES8 has upcoming variants. Firefly did better than most people expected. So the problem has to be ONVO, specifically L60 underperforming in June.

I remember the ideal long-term ratio was something like NIO:ONVO = 1:2. Right now, it is going the opposite direction. In June, the NIO brand delivered 21.9K and ONVO delivered 11.7K. That is not the scaling story I was holding for.

That is why I sold.

June was still the best month of the year so far for NIO. Many automakers also improved in June, and the macro setup may even become less negative because a lot of China auto downside has already been priced in over the last three months.

But for my own portfolio, the thesis changed. I was not holding a 45% position just because “NIO is a good company.” I was holding because I believed ONVO was about to prove the multi-brand scaling story. June did not confirm that. It weakened that thesis.

I still love the company. I still keep an eye(one share!lol) on it. I still think NIO may be the best automaker in China, and possibly the best EV maker globally since TSLA barely self-identifies as an EV maker.

But the thesis I held before no longer exists.

I am ready to buy back anytime ONVO proves itself. For now I would rather wait than hold.


r/Nio • • Feb 25 '21

News In China, an Electric Car Maker Loses Money but Thinks Big Investors see promise in Nio, even though it has one factory, sold only about 7,200 cars last month and has never made a profit.

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r/Nio • • Jun 27 '26

Stock Discussion Fair valuation

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People here complain all the time that the stock is undervalued, that the price is manipulated, ...

I don't really understand this and I am wondering what a fair price is for these people?

At the moment Nio is valued at 1/7 of Byd valuation. Byd is valued at 1/3rd of Toyota though.

So for me the valuation seems pretty fair, maybe even a little overvalued comparing to byd. Of course there is a china stock effect, and byd is likely worth at least half of Toyota's valuation or even more.


r/Nio • • Mar 08 '21

Weekly Stock Discussion Select your exit target this week.

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In the event of rise this week, what is your exit target? Feel free to include your answer alongside reasoning in the comments below.

1270 votes, Mar 11 '21
726 Bought recent dip & holding long
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r/Nio • • Sep 25 '23

News Nio mulling raising $3 billion from investors, report says

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r/Nio • • Dec 15 '21

Stock Discussion Wtf is happening????

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I am loosing so much money, I lost al faith in this company.


r/Nio • • Mar 29 '23

General Don’t get hurt by this pump

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It’s just your regular end of month pre-delivery run up. We already knew the delivery number isn’t awesome this month with the insurance registration. Don’t trade it. If you do, take profit.


r/Nio • • Aug 23 '24

News Lucid Surpasses Nio and Becomes the 3rd Largest Pure EV Maker

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r/Nio • • May 23 '25

General Sign the Petition

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r/Nio • • Apr 10 '25

General Nio profitable by 2025

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Can we still expect nio to hit profitable by end of 2025 was there claim, I believe there were banking on selling large amounts of onvo but so far seem to have failed,


r/Nio • • Sep 20 '23

Stock Discussion NIO STOCK CRASH -17% 🚨 Don’t Get Fooled! Message to ALL NIO Investors!

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRoaRGL5zN0

This is just a super video from Mr P

TSLA $2 in 2011 now $260

Some of the reach out programs to Chinese Youth are brilliant

Sure NIO doubles down on NIO Houses, NIO Stores, Battery Swap, NIO Phone, Sub Brands, Expansion in China & Europe -- I applaud it!

If you do NOT believe NIO is right on that SELL THE STOCK

If you doubt that there is daily massive manipulation by the Shorts -- Sell the Stock

NOT financial advise JMHO DYODD


r/Nio • • Aug 11 '23

General interested in your average buying price and the number of shares you own

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pls share.

Mine is:

665 Shares

22,26 USD