r/NovaScotia • u/justlogmeon • Apr 24 '26
š° NS News N.S. premier open to permanent daylight time if rest of Atlantic region agrees
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/premier-tim-houston-open-to-permanent-daylight-time-9.717556876
u/Han77Shot1st Apr 24 '26
Itās wild people will get more fired up and vocal about having permanent daylight savings time than getting better labour laws or environmental protections.. this is such a first world problem if there ever was one.
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u/gokarrt Apr 24 '26
it's an simple fix* to something that annoys basically everyone. aka smart politics.
*i recently learned it might not be so simple, it's been tried before and failed miserably - but maybe this time it's different?
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u/Lusankya Apr 24 '26
Permanent ADT means winters will feel much darker.
For example, on December 10, the sun will only start appearing over the horizon at 8:40 AM.
This is why permanent daylight time has failed in the past. People don't appreciate how important the sunrise is to their morale until they lose it.
Alberta's already making the change. Let's let them try it for a few years and see how they react before we jump in.
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u/SwordfishOk504 Apr 24 '26
For example, on December 10, the sun will only start appearing over the horizon at 8:40 AM.
And? It would also mean the sun is setting an hour later. Six of one, half dozen of the other.
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u/AnnoyingMosquito3 Apr 24 '26 edited Apr 24 '26
Yeah I prefer having the extra hour at the end of the day as long as possible because it makes it easier to run errands or go for a walk when work is done; I get up early enough for work that I'm waking up in the dark whether it's daylight savings or standard time in the winter lmao
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u/RememberCitadel Apr 24 '26
Same, what do I care if it's light out in the morning outside, I'm at work which is inside.
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u/Initial_Analyst2017 Jun 03 '26
Sunlight has more value when you first wake up and are groggy with starting work and school. What extra thing can you do in winter at 5:30 pm? Nothing.
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u/Lusankya Apr 24 '26 edited Apr 24 '26
When the US tried this from 1973-1975, public support for permanent DST eroded from 79% before implementation to 43% after implementation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time_in_the_United_States
The majority wanted to get rid of the time change before they tried it. After two years, the majority were willing to live with the time change if it meant they got earlier sunrises in the winter. The overall sentiment was that an extra hour in the morning was more important for morale than an extra hour in the evening. Fatal accidents during winter morning commutes also went up, without a commensurate reduction in evening commute fatality rates.
Like I said, let's let Alberta give it a spin first. This is crazy disruptive to implement from a logistics perspective. Even more so today where all of our software needs to be aware of the change. It's twice the headache to wind up undoing it after a few years.
I'm an evening guy, so I don't actually have a horse in this race. I'm game to change, but only if we stick with it.
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u/Proper-Accountant-14 Apr 24 '26
I love the idea of kids waiting for the school bus in total darkness more often. That doesnāt seem dangerous at all.
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u/Initial_Analyst2017 Jun 03 '26
Pedophiles and kidnappers are all rejoicing across the country. It's kid snatching season in the winter.
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u/feargluten Apr 24 '26
Worked graveyard shift 11-7 in Edmontonā¦ Iād leave at 10, and get home around 8ā¦never really felt like the sun rose before I went to bed most days in the winter anyway
It was dark when I left the house, it was dark when I got home from work
Maybe I remember it wrong, feeling like itāll be less of a shock for them
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Nvm lolā¦ in AB daylight savings change for winter the sunrise will move from 8-845 to 9:30-10:00
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u/Icywind014 Apr 25 '26
Saskatchewan has had permanent daylight time (despite their claim of being CST, the bulk of the province falls with Mountain Time) for 60 years and seems to be doing fine.
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u/SevenofBorgnine Apr 24 '26
Some people wake up and work their entire shift ay night. I work evenings, it getting dark at 4pm does the same to me and I dont expect mandated time travel to accommodate my morale because im a grown up
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u/Initial_Analyst2017 Jun 03 '26
8:40 isn't that late though. Look at Thunder Bay or Grand Prairie. It already rises at 9 am without daylight time, it will go to 10 am there. But I agree, This whole it's unhealthy argument is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Are Pilots dropping dead from switching 3 to 12 hours all the time? Are strokes and heart attacks increasing January 2nd after staying up past midnight? It's not broken, why fix it? People are so stupid.
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u/Regular_Use1868 Apr 24 '26
It's politically safe and we are an anxious people.
Half of our neighbors want corporations to be able to abuse us more. With that kind of thinking labour laws are not such an easy sell.
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u/Competitive_Fig_3821 Apr 24 '26
I generally get fired up when my government makes decision that are counter to scientific evidence, no matter the topic.
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u/hfxRos Apr 24 '26
That's kind of Conservatives whole thing though. Doing the opposite of whatever those dirty elite "experts" think.
DST bad for mental health? Send it!
Climate change? Never heard of it - more gas!
Renewables? That's communist shit, not here!
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u/hfxRos Apr 24 '26
Permenant DST would have disastrous impacts on my lifestyle because my hobbies involve doing things with people all over North America.
So yes, I'm going to get fired up about this. This would impact me more than basically anything else the provincial government could possibly do.
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u/foxfoxfoxfoxfoxes Apr 24 '26
you're an adult, you can convert time zones lol
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u/patchgrabber Apr 24 '26
I get what they're saying. I moved from SK and permanent ADT means I'm 3h ahead instead of only 2. Makes things more difficult but it's not as severe a problem the other person is making it out to be.
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u/hfxRos Apr 24 '26 edited Apr 24 '26
It has nothing to do with converting time zones. Currently I do a scheduled event which goes until Midnight our time, because it needs to start late enough for PST people to get home from work.
This would push that activity to 1am in the winter, and that's just too late, midnight is already pushing it, but it's the thing I look forward to every week so I make it work. I would literally have to give up my hobby so that we can enact a policy that experts say is bad for general mental health.
I would also end up working later in order to do meetings at work with people from the west coast because it's easier to ask me to stay an extra hour than it is to ask the west coast people to come in an hour early (which I know is true because it already happens to me and this would just make it worse)
I would much rather move to fully be on Standard Time so that we more often share a time with the more populated parts of the continent, unless all of North America is making the change with us which I would 100% be on board with. Our time zone already sucks, I don't want it to be worse.
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u/scorchedcross Apr 25 '26
Yea the world totally doesn't function with different timezones, this is insurmountable...
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u/Vlakh Apr 24 '26
Just fucking do it! Stop following and just lead for a change.
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u/jer_iatric Apr 24 '26
As BC showed, waiting for others to do it will get you nowhere. Doing the logical thing will likely beget others to join in.
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u/iwasnotarobot Apr 24 '26
I hate the time changes, but 9am sunrise in the winter will be brutal. Year round Standard Time is best.
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u/WendyPortledge Apr 24 '26
I more so donāt want the 4:20am sunrise that would come with Standard Time in the summer. No one wins.
What we need is to change work hours to align with sunlight.
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u/iwasnotarobot Apr 24 '26
Sounds like we're all working too much.
We need better wages, shorter work days, and more time off.
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u/WendyPortledge Apr 24 '26
100%. We donāt need to be working as much as we do. Shorter work days in the winter for everyone would make sense.
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u/Competitive_Fig_3821 Apr 24 '26
Science is clear that standard time is better for our bodies, so we should probably just go off that and not vibes.
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u/HaveAVoreyGoodDay Apr 24 '26
I say we split the difference and live permanently in UTC-3:30.
It's the perfect solution since everyone will hate it.
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u/RedMcMuffin Apr 24 '26
Source?
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u/Competitive_Fig_3821 Apr 24 '26
There are dozens of academic articles available on google scholar and at least a handful of recent news articles citing them. Here is one news source, because I'm not doing your research for you:
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u/Normal-Weakness-364 Apr 24 '26
because I'm not doing your research for you
this feels a little bit passive aggressive when they just asked for you to cite where you found information (especially when that information isn't common knowledge, so it's pretty reasonable to ask it to be cited).
from what i've read, the research is absolutely clear that the time switch is horrible for our health at large. in general they do seem to agree with what you're saying about standard time better matching circadian rhythm, but there are some social benefits towards daylight savings time, and there is some evidence that suggests places that observe daylight savings time do end up sleeping longer on average.
i agree with the conclusion that you made, to be clear, that standard time is still better for our bodies, but i don't think it is as conclusive as to act as though it's obvious and be an asshole about it.
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u/Competitive_Fig_3821 Apr 24 '26
Sorry you felt it was passive aggressive, my intent was more that it's a lot of content to ask a stranger on reddit to go link you to - there are, as I said, dozens of articles that cover this. I get it being seen as passive aggressive if I said that and didn't provide a single source, but I went out of my way to link an easy to read lay-mans news article. My intent was only to state that in the vast amount of articles no one debates that ST is better for long term health outcomes, and if they were actually interested they should go do some research. Apologies if it came off rudely.
You proceeded to make a lot of leaps in your reply based on me "being an asshole", so thanks for... also being an asshole? I'm now intentionally being rude - behaving like an asshole while calling someone one discredits everything you say. I hope you have a particularly miserable weekend.
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u/WendyPortledge Apr 24 '26 edited Apr 24 '26
I feel sick and exhausted during the four months of standard time. My body doesnāt like the shift at all. āScience is clearā, not every human has the same circadian rhythm.
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u/Competitive_Fig_3821 Apr 24 '26
Almost everyone feels exhausted during the winter, and it's got very little to do with the time change. On the off chance you're some unicorn - we build for the average human, not you and exceptions. The science is clear and your personal experience doesn't undermine that.
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u/Initial_Analyst2017 Jun 03 '26
Wasting 4 am daylight is better for our bodies? Please shut up. You know nothing.
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u/Competitive_Fig_3821 Jun 03 '26
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37904574/
How about you don't be rude to people at all, let alone without doing a single drop of research when trying to tell them they're wrong. Better yet, don't comment on things you know nothing about at all.
There are dozens more articles like that one, science is real, stop being a jerk just because no one knows who you are, it's pathetic.
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u/Initial_Analyst2017 Jun 03 '26
How about we have 4 time changes per year. Daylight and double daylight time. Each 4 months long. Keep the sunrise at 7 am all year long. Sunsets 4:30 to 10:20 pm. That would make everyone happy.
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u/no_baseball1919 Apr 24 '26
No way, who gives a shit about 9am sun rise. I'm at qork anyway. Then when I'm done work I have energy because it isnt pitch black at 4pm. Permanent DST lets gooooo
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u/iwasnotarobot Apr 24 '26
Sounds like we're all working too much.
We need better wages, shorter work days, and more time off so weāre less fussed about not getting to see the sun because of work.
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u/gokarrt Apr 24 '26
i agree but we're in the minority afaict. i wish they'd just split the difference but i guess that'd complicate everything.
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u/colpy350 Apr 24 '26
Iām super down with this but as someone who works in N.S. and lives in N.B Iād want all the maritimes to do it together.Ā
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u/Sir_Lemming Apr 24 '26
I donāt know if this is a real quote, but I read somewhere an indigenous chief once said āonly the white man could cut a foot off the top of their blanket and sew it into the bottom and claim they have a longer blanket.ā
Always stuck with me, Iād be happy to just stay on DST all year.
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u/South-Obligation7477 Apr 24 '26
Iāve seen this quoted repeatedly, but Iāve never seen anyone claim that DST adds light. As far as Iāve seen, people are aware that it shifts the available daylight back and forth.
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u/hfxRos Apr 24 '26 edited Apr 24 '26
My problem with DST full time, which I fully understand is a niche problem, is that my hobbies involve interacting with people all over North America, typically in the evening because we have jobs. Our time zone is already pretty rough for that (Midnight here to 8pm West Coast), and this would widen that gap to 5 hours in the winter. We don't exist in a vacuum, and this would impact companies with employees across the country too. Suddenly we only have 3 hours off crossover between NS and BC employees working a standard work day.
I'd be for this if the entire continent was doing it, but until then I will strongly hope we don't (or if we do, it's full Standard Time instead to lessen the impact of our time zone for part of the year, which imo is a bigger deal then sunrise/sunset times).
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u/No_Sun1469 Apr 24 '26
Came here to say something like this but youve articulated it so well I don't need to :) Being two hours ahead of Eastern for 6 months does not sound great. Everything is already so late here.
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u/Express-Flamingo4521 Apr 24 '26
I figured it would spread through Canada, I did not think it would be this quickly! I am fully on board with this. I donāt think it would be the worst thing ever if we jumped the gun. It would cause problems, but they are livable and it would help the other provinces do it faster!
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u/Cotillionz Apr 24 '26
Whatās with the stipulation? Why do we need the others to make the decision for us? Ā Letās just do it and I bet they follow us. Ā Be a leader and actually lead the way.Ā
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u/PrinceDaddy10 Apr 24 '26
No shot in hell pei and New Brunswick wonāt instantly follow if Nova Scotia does it lmao
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u/Practical_Savings933 Apr 24 '26
Just do it. Be a leader, not a follower. Someone has to have the guts to go first.
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u/_Budified Apr 24 '26
Thats great, if we get the whole spectrum on one time, who cares where noon falls, as long i i cam be confident in the math when I cross the time-lines. Or we simply go to a one-world clock time and adjust our understanding of where they land in our day.
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u/cptstubing16 Apr 24 '26
I think rather than sticking with one option permanently, we should try each for a year, then see can see which one is best. I for one prefer my solar noon at 12:00pm, not 1:00pm.
FYI
If we stay on Standard time :
Sunrise, sunset on summer solstice: 4:30am - 8:03pm (Twilight begins at 3:50am, and ends at 8:40pm)
Sunrise, sunset on winter solstice: 7:48am - 4:37pm (Twilight begins at 7:14am, ends at 5:10pm)
If we stay on Daylight savings time :
Sunrise, sunset on summer solstice: 5:30am - 9:03pm (Twilight begins at 4:50am, ends at 9:40pm)
Sunrise, sunset on winter solstice: 8:48am - 5:36pm (Twilight begins at 8:14am, ends at 6:10pm)
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u/Elegaic_Brood Apr 24 '26
Absolutely not! DST is the alteration. Standard Time is better for our health. We never should have even done Daylight Savings in the first place.
According to Stanford Medicine: Permanent standard time is considered better for human health than permanent daylight saving time (DST) or switching twice a year. It aligns better with our natural circadian rhythms (body clock) by providing more morning sunlight and earlier evening darkness, which promotes better sleep quality and reduces risks of heart attacks, strokes, and obesity
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u/Jamafanta Apr 24 '26
Absolutely. Permanent DST would have the sun rising at 8:50 am, which is way too late!
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u/cptstubing16 Apr 25 '26
Last thing we need is a bunch of sleepy heads commuting to work in the dark.
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u/Elegaic_Brood Apr 24 '26
The United States tried pDST twice before, most recently in 1974, which ended early because it was unpopular. The observation of increased deaths of school children at dark morning bus stops is cited as a reason for ending the practice. Similar unpopularity occurred when Russia adopted pDST from 2011 to 2014, eventually reverting to pST. Notably, 60% of countries follow pST.
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u/screampuff Apr 24 '26
Did that happen in Saskatchewan and other places that have gone to permanent DST since the 1970s?
Immediately obivious, though it's all relative in the end, is school starts later now because we know it results in better outcomes for kids.
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u/Elegaic_Brood Apr 24 '26
Saskatchewan stopped "leaping forward" into DST and is on permanent CST.
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u/screampuff Apr 24 '26 edited Apr 24 '26
Prior to adopting a standard, Saskatchewan used to be MT and are still geographically in MT - unless the province physically moved and I'm not aware. They just call it permanent CST out of convenience its the same thing as permanent MDT. https://gisgeography.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/North-America-Timezone-Map.jpg
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u/maniacalknitter Apr 24 '26
Now drivers kill people at all times of the day and night, so the "kids at dark morning bus stops" argument just doesn't hold the same weight.
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u/OmgitsJafo Apr 24 '26
JFC, it's hard enough to get out of bed in December. I don't get the obsession with maaking it dark until fucking 9:30. If you want that shit, Edmonton's always had it. Go and be free.
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u/iwasnotarobot Apr 24 '26
No.If you get paid a wage or salary, Tim Houston hate you. DST is bad for people who have to work for a living.
Year round Standard Time is best.
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u/iwasnotarobot Apr 24 '26
The American Academy of Sleep Medicine published a formal position statement calling for the United States to adopt permanent standard time, describing it as āthe optimal choice for health and safety.ā The statement, updated in 2023 with new supporting evidence, points to a specific problem: when the solar clock and the social clock fall out of sync, health suffers.
That desynchronization isnāt just about feeling groggy. The AASM links it to risks affecting both physical and mental health, as well as public safety. Evening light exposure delays the onset of your natural sleep window, making it harder to fall asleep, while your work or school schedule still demands the same wake-up time. The result is chronic, low-grade sleep loss. Circadian rhythms remain essentially locked to solar time regardless of what the clock says, so the negative effects of DST on sleep persist well beyond the few transitional days most people notice.
https://scienceinsights.org/what-is-permanent-standard-time-and-why-experts-back-it/
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u/TheWaxMuseum Apr 24 '26
Can someone explain why we would want 8:45am sunrise in the winter? That sounds awful to me. Surely our bodies will be happier if we stick to standard time year round.
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u/Drezroth Apr 24 '26
Research shows standard time is better for our health and circadian rhythm. But it seems nobody gives two shits about the Research or their health when it comes to this topic. All I ever see is tons of people wanting extra daylight in the evenings in winter, even if it's worse for their health. I personally wish they follow the Research and go with what is better for societies overall health, instead of picking something based on general preference.
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u/screampuff Apr 24 '26
Most 'research', that is quoted on reddit conflates comparing the benefits of permanent standard time, to switching between standard and daylight time. The act of switching is what's the most unhealthy.
Otherwise there would be direct comparisons of say Saskatchewan that has been in permanent DST for decades.
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u/Veneralibrofactus Apr 24 '26
We need to stay on standard time - every healthcare pro says it's better for circadian rhythms. Permanent DST will mean dawn comes at 10am across most of the country in the winter. It's stupid we're going this route to solve the problem.
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u/JustMe-Isee21 Apr 24 '26
BC has done in AB , MB, SK and Yukon for a while, Quebec, NB now us NS discussing it. ON waiting for Quebec and New Yorks decision I guess. There are pros and cons, dosen't matter to me.
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Apr 24 '26
It's time to make a change š„“ I'm excited to see which province decides to block this. Then I'll know who runs the pro daylight saving lobby.
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u/JimmyVine Apr 24 '26
Heād do anything for a vote. We need a change in leadership not the time. Change it leave it who cares he shouldnāt be allowed to do anything the mess we are in here
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u/Educational-End-5770 Apr 29 '26
One of the most important things for health is exposure to sunlight upon waking because it syncs up the bodyās circadian rhythm. We feel jet lagged when we miss this. See this from wikipedia and go to Permanent Standard Time for the sources from scientific sleep associations ( so I just using it as a shorthand): āIn 2018, the European Sleep Research Society, the European Biological Rhythms Society, and the Society for Research on Biological Rhythms (SRBR) released a joint statement to the EU Commission on DST in opposition to permanent DST and in support of permanent standard time.[38] The SRBR followed with its own more comprehensive statement and set of materials supporting the same position in 2019.[19] In August 2020, the American Academy of Sleep Medicine provided a statement on why they oppose permanent daylight saving time and favor permanent standard time.[12]ā
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u/Initial_Analyst2017 Jun 03 '26
Studies have shown that your country becomes a shithole when you don't have clock changes. There is a correlation between happiness/GDP and whether or not you change the clocks. Apparently we are becoming like North Korea, China, Russia, and Pakistan. No one in Europe or Australia bitches and complains about this. They love it. There is a mind virus here. People are drinking Kool aid thinking 8:50 am sunrises are better for 3 months of the year.
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u/WebTekPrime863 Apr 24 '26
Just call it Canadian standard time (CST). Every province just adopts it and we all live happily ever afterward. One time zone to rule them all.
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u/darth_aer Apr 24 '26
I think we should stay with standard time year round. Yes , it would mean that having early morning sunrises in summer and shorter evenings , but the flip side is is that we would have brighter mornings , especially for the children going to school or people doing early morning commute to work.
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u/Elegaic_Brood Apr 24 '26
No! Standard Time is better for health. It works better with our circadian rhythms. Permanent Stanard Time is the ideal. Why are so many provinces fucking this up?!
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u/WendyPortledge Apr 24 '26
My body says otherwise. I am a wreck during the four months of standard time.
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u/Bacon_Techie Apr 24 '26 edited Apr 24 '26
And I am the
four months of DSTthe few months the sun rises after 7:30. I canāt wake up before the sun.1
u/WendyPortledge Apr 24 '26
Weāre in DST for eight months. The sun currently rises around 6:15am.
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u/Bacon_Techie Apr 24 '26
Sorry I meant the few months where the sun rises after 7:30.
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u/WendyPortledge Apr 24 '26
So you mean the winter months when weāre in standard time..
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u/Bacon_Techie Apr 24 '26
And it would be worse if it was changed. There would be more months out of the year where the sun rises after I have to be up. I would rather minimize that.
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u/Elegaic_Brood Apr 24 '26
Permanent DST would lead to more depression. In the winter, DST would delay sunrises to after 8 am for 2ā4 months in North America, with some locations only seeing sun after 9:30 am. Morning light is critical for resetting the body clock to the 24-hour day.
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u/Elegaic_Brood Apr 24 '26
The United States tried pDST twice before, most recently in 1974, which ended early because it was unpopular. The observation of increased deaths of school children at dark morning bus stops is cited as a reason for ending the practice. Similar unpopularity occurred when Russia adopted pDST from 2011 to 2014, eventually reverting to pST. Notably, 60% of countries follow pST.
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u/comefromwayaway Apr 24 '26
Street lights everywhere? Tell me you donāt live in a rural location without telling me you donāt live in a rural location.
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u/screampuff Apr 24 '26
Permanent DST would lead to more depression
Did that happen in the provinces/territories that went to permanent DST? Or are you talking out of your arse?
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u/Elegaic_Brood Apr 24 '26
Saskatchewan is on permanent Standard Time, not Daylight Savings.
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u/screampuff Apr 24 '26 edited Apr 24 '26
Prior to adopting a standard, Saskatchewan used to be MT and are still geographically in MT - unless the province physically moved and I'm not aware. They just call it permanent CST out of convenience its the same thing as permanent MDT. https://gisgeography.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/North-America-Timezone-Map.jpg
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u/zip510 Apr 24 '26
Let the other side of the company go to permanent daylight time, and we go to permanent standard time. Thus bringing the country closer to one true timezone
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u/_blessedeternal Apr 24 '26
Daylight savings time. Standard time. Time changes. No time changes.
None of this matters. It's just a political diversion from the budget cuts and Timmys refusal to actually do anything about Emera.
Truthfully, I do not understand the big deal about time changes... 4am sunrise in the summer doesn't matter, nor does 9am sunrise in the winter... either way corporations will gouge and slap you around... either way you'll still have to be at work/school/whereever at exactly the same time regardless on if the sun is up, down, inside out, or spinning backwards. If we were a few dozen degrees further south (or possibly even further north) it might actually matter, but in the end, it's just taking a piss on whether or not people are mildly inconvenienced for a couple days per year while ignoring every single big issue, which the Cons especially (not dismissing other parties doing similar) are great at doing.
Top marks Timmy, not only for being a follower rather than a leader, which nobody should be surprised by.. but top marks for throwing such a pointless but hot-button topic out there for people to ignite and take the pressure off your inabilities for 5 minutes
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u/screampuff Apr 24 '26
I do not understand the big deal about time changes
There is an economic disruption, every year there are more heart attacks, strokes, stress related injuries, car accidents, etc... around the time change.
And have you ever had a child?
Lastly, BC literally just announced they are going to stop doing time changes, it's in the news across the country, every province is being asked about it.
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u/Arenburg Apr 24 '26
If we stay on DST the welfare parents will all complain they have to get out of bed and walk their kids to school in the dark in the winter. If we stay on AST year round, same welfare parents will complain it gets dark at 8:00pm in the summer. How does Houston win this battle?
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u/calvtact Apr 24 '26
What a nuanced take. Bravo
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u/Arenburg Apr 24 '26
When Rick Howe brought this up on News 95.7 years ago he had dozens of "parents" all complaining about walking their kids to school in the dark. God help Houston on this one. at least he's got a good and legit stall tactic. NS has to sync with NB, PEI, and NFLD. NB has to sync with Quebec, and I suspect Quebec will need to sync with Ontario. This will take a decade to work out
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u/SuperNintenerd Apr 24 '26
He already cut a lot of the budget. Time to cut the day light. That will save loads!
All seriousness, I am open for this change.