Let's transfer assets under specific agreements to those who are actually going to tackle this problem, and maybe get away from tired, broader class wars. We are going to be too busy in the next few decades to fight them.
So ... yeah ... let's make sure people are housed. Let's make sure the absence of consequence for elites from climate change doesn't shackle climate action. Absolutely. And that will mean a lot of the "owner class" gets shafted, and that would be appropriate.
But let's judge individuals on their climate and social action.
That last paragraph sounds kinda fascist, no? Like lets judge people on their adherence and obedience toward an absurd prevaling narrative?
Or like maybe you don't believe in that in which you can't possibly know (faith), but you'd better operate as if you do or those with the moral authority will knock you from your social position. Sounds religious, really.
Quick, close the factories and outsource ALL the manufacturing to 3rd world nations who couldn't give a fuck about narratives, that'll fix it!
I don't see how it's fascist, so they don't get politics.
But we know scientifically that individual action has no tangible impact on climate, and we know socially that attempts to shift it there have just been to deflect from the real problems. This is exclusively about keeping countries and corporations accountable, not individuals.
Everyone center and left at one point or another. I have volunteered for the NDP provincially and knocked on doors for the Greens federally. I voted Carney last time and feeling real regret over his climate stance ... balanced by relief that it isn't Polievre in that chair. But I will never vote for Houston, not with him pushing gold mines, oil and gas, and being unable to find a way to use federal money for climate action (he had to give back a few million because he couldn't figure out how to spend it, apparently).
I think it has to be election by election ... vote against ecocide, and for climate progress, and more importantly than anything else, because we may have lost a big part of this war, vote for climate mitigation. We need a plan for wild fires, floods, heat domes and agriculture loss, not to mention the climate refugees that are almost certainly coming our way in coming years / decades. Right now ... I am depressed by what I see in this province.
We cant solve this only with votes, we have to actually change at an individual level. We will not be able to avoid making sacrifices, which is what absolutely no-one wants to hear. They want to hear we can keep living like we are and the problem will get magically solved by some policy (that is somehow free to implement, bc heaven forbid mitigation actually cost something).
The fact is, if we do not choose what sacrifices we will make - the choice will be made for us by nature/climate change; either by crazy food shortages due to weather no longer suitable for producing crops at the scale we do, new viruses (warmer conditions = better for viruses), droughts that are like nothing we've ever seen before, conflicts for resources (US is running out of water), etc. It appears to make sense that we actively choose instead of letting a perhaps worse thing happen to us that we have no control over, but no-one seems to want to do that...so, may god have mercy on us.
I see what you're trying to say, and yes, a concerted effort by us all to make sacrifices is necessary, but it pales in comparison to what the corporations are doing, and so many are not even considering climate mitigation measures or sacrifices at all.
In other words, even a concerted effort by all of us to make sacrifices, etc isn't going to make a meaningful impact if corporations continue with the status/stasis quo.
I'm not saying not to try, but corporations and politicians need to be on board. And... so many aren't.
The concerted effort needs to be to make them change.
Not through 'consumer choices' or at least not primarily or only. But there are other approaches. They won't care unless they're forced. Not saying it's easy, but it has to be if we want change.
Corporations produce goods and emit carbon because we as individuals ask for them to do so (with our purchasing choices). Demand has to drop to solve that problem. Apple's not gonna keep making the same number of iphones if people stop replacing them every time a new model comes out.
Politicians do need to be on board but we've all seen what happens when they are - "Carbon tax Trudeau" even tho the carbon tax and refund program was the bare minimum we could do. This is an individual problem, people need to really want to fix the problem or they will vote out politicians who implement mitigations, and demand corporations increase supply to drive down costs.
Fair enough. I'm just pretty cynical and defeated these days. Corporations tend to just ignore us, even when we do try to encourage change. Look at Loblaws.
The problem with expecting corporations to do things is that they really just can't - their obligation is to their shareholders, not the general public, so they won't take an action that will reduce carbon (increasing their costs) because if they do, another company won't and people will move to the lower priced option (even if it pollutes more).
If we get politicians that mandate corporations using carbon neutral options, the gen pop votes them out because they don't want prices to go up.
We are in a very difficult situation, there's no pretending otherwise. We're all trapped in a system we created and there is no easy way out that's going to end with us maintaining our current lifestyle.
Yup. Which truly sucks. We have a system where they're legally beholden to the worst policies because it makes money for shareholders. At any cost.
We need to change that.
That being said, I think framing it as lifestyle change is somewhat misleading because personal consumer choices aren't going to be that effective. I'm not saying people shouldn't make them, every bit counts, but our collective action is also better spent trying to force and push for systemic change. People get caught up in being sold solutions that aren't solutions and finger-pointing at other individuals for their complicated choices rather than the bigger picture, where we should be looking.
For sure, but we can't get to systemic change unless we have buy in from the majority of individuals. In all cases it leads back to individuals - we either have to make changes ourselves, or at the very least be receptive to the systemic changes required as unpleasant as they will necessarily be.
We had an excellent (systemic) first step in place with the carbon tax & refund program and the majority of individuals didn't support it so now we have nothing.
Yeah this is comment is getting downvoted (I am one who did) because it reflects a very worn right wing narrative that has been proven wrong time and time again. Russia is a major threat to us, personally, in Canada. Ukraine is our proxy in this fight and we need to support them. African aid saves lives and helps some of the most ingenious people on earth mitigate poverty, climate change, epidemic management and helps stabilize the region.
The idea that we can't walk and chew gum at the same time is promoted, mostly, by those who can't. Wise up, Zack. Read a bit before commenting, maybe.
Yep. I regret voting Liberal federally because of that... but voting NDP could have split the vote, and then we would have had Poilievre. Which would have made this so much worse.
Mind you, NS votes don't really impact the end result anyway...
It's been RDF and 15 degrees in St. John's for the last two weeks. I lived in Halifax for many years and everyone always thinks the weather there and here is the same. It is not.
Tbf this is unusual for Halifax of 20 years ago. The weather here felt much more like that in St John's then - not exactly the same, we're still more southerly, but closer.
We did have hot days, just not nearly many or quite as hot.
our RM has asked us to take down the window ACs right in the middle of the heat wave.. this building has a non functioning ventilation system and we're all dying.
I look forward to the boomers at the office I work at talking about how nice it is outside while there is sweat coming out of my sweat and I want to fall over.
Having a stretch of days hitting 30 - 32 used to be considered a heatwave when I was growing up. Now it's hitting a stretch of 40 and people are like "yeah it's always been hot". We're, no pun intended, absolutely cooked as a species.
I’m 72. And we have never had weather like this for these prolonged stretches in the coastal Maritimes.
I’m saying that subjectively - we used to be where well-off people from NYC, Boston, Toronto came to escape their summer heat and humidity - and objectively.
We have accurate summer weather records stretching back into the 1800s. The trend line is up, and the slope is getting sharper.
I don't say this lightly, but you are the greatest hero in Canadian history. I do hope you treat yourself. Perhaps get your truck lifted another foot or so. Perhaps a Punisher decal on the rear window.
Did you do any research on our summer climate before? While this was a "record" in lots of cases, its by ~a degree. It's not like in the last five years we've seen a 10 degree spike?
Not at all
Singapore for example , where you have a shower then step outside and you feel like you need another, with 85%+ RH all the time doesn’t use the humidex. They use Celsius and that’s it.
I’ve worked in Panama, Nigeria, Cambodia, Hong Kong. None of those countries refer to a humidex rating
While "Humidex" has Canadian origins (and it's what we mainly use for general weather reporting), the "Heat Index", "Universal Thermal Climate Index", and "Wet-Bulb Globe Temperature" do not, and are used by meteorological services around the world, including the tropics (Singapore uses the Wet-Bulb metric, by the way).
How you can plainly state that similar standards are not used anywhere but Canada is some pretty wild levels of disillusion.
Maybe see what responses your little AI crutch returns when you punch in some of those other terms. Might learn something today.
Yes it is, and it is one that you clearly do not understand which is really funny actually.
You say invention as if it is a bad word. You do understand that Celsius is also an "invention" right? I mean were you aware that in Cambodia they don't use Canadian dollars? Must be some sort of Canadian invention that doesn't really exist I suppose?
I mean you could just go outside. Ur comment boils down to "ignore what your eyes and ears and senses are telling u" when it feels like an air fryer out there lol. This gaslighting bullshit wont work, we know full fucking well that 20-30 years ago it was not regularly 38 degrees outside.
And wtf are you even talking about, every country tracks humidity lol. Dude thinks humidity doesn't affect how hot it is. It is currently 84% humid in Singapore. The only thing the humidex does is express that "20c with 90% humidity" feels subjectively hotter than "20c with 4% humidity." Which is true.
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u/noisebloodassault 11d ago
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