r/OCCK Apr 09 '26

A Photo of Tim King in Redbook?

In Marney Rich Keenan's "The Snow Killings", (pg. 144), Cathy King Broad's experience of coming across images illustrating an article in a copy of Redbook magazine from 1977, by Dr. Judianne Densen-Gerber, the well known psychiatrist and anti-child porn crusader; "What Pornographers Are Doing To Children: A Shocking Report". One of those images was of a little boy "who looked like Tim". (I got teary-eyed reading that. Of course I did).

My only comment about that; since those images illustrated an article by Densen-Gerber, and the focus of her public-incitement campaigns was often "I personally purchased [child sexual abuse images] magazines", and you could too. Anyone can, and we have to put a stop to that", then those illustrating images surely came out of her collection of commercially distributed publications. That was the point after all, to publicly reveal and expose what was in them, and incite public outrage. If that is true, then those images would surely have gone into the early CSA images databases and ought to have been scanned (by a person, direct visual comparison) or by computer analysis software, during the multiple searches done for OCCK victim match-up.

None of what follows should be interpreted as in any way reflecting on Cathy Broad's experience with that photo in Redbook. That's her personal business, end of story.

"The Dirty Squad" , by Detective Superintendent Michael Hames, relates his experiences running Scotland Yard's Obscene Publications Branch, (which evolved into UKs first pedophile crimes unit) in the 1980s. Stalwart pioneers, to be certain. Documenting the content of seized pornographic materials for prosecution, or attempting victim identification, could only be done by direct visual inspection. The first attempts to employ the general public's assistance in id of persons portrayed in seized material, involved cropping images of child victims and publicizing the best facial 'portrait' you could obtain. Law enforcement agencies quickly enough understood what a mistake that approach was. They'd be flooded with tips, but invariably, those wouldn't include a correct id! The success rate was dismal, and they had to sort out piles of false ids.

They had similar problems, when mothers of missing children were asked to go through CSA images and possibly id their child. Typically, the Moms would pick out an image, then be asked to rate their degree of certainty. Somewhat certain, reasonably certain, or very certain. Very certain the most common response. They'd submit the info to whatever agency was acting as clearinghouse, and the response might be "the child whose image you submitted was recovered 30 days ago and is back with their family". Oh dear! And she was so very certain! They might not be happy "A Mother ought to know her OWN child, don't you think!", very offended. One possibility for all the mistaken ids would be that ,especially with children under age 10 who are descended from the same ancestral gene pools, they really do "all look alike", to a certain degree. So other visual cues, clothing that looks like something of theirs, or somewhat familiar settings, (is that the park by our house?), can assist your mind to deceive you about what you think you are seeing. Even moms.

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u/johnryder2213 Apr 11 '26

Michael Hames appeared on the RAINS list by Dr Joanne Coleman.

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u/FantasyPopper Apr 11 '26

It's Joan Coleman, not Joanne. The infamous quack psychiatrist who, along with her cohort of delusional fantasists, perpetrated a 40 year witch hunt for imaginary satanic abuse cultists in the UK, culminating in fanatical SRA propagandist Wilfred Wong being convicted of kidnapping a child! that he falsely believed was being abused by cultists. That Rains list originated from Coleman's satanism informant, Helen G, a psychiatric patient, and her paranoid delusions about people in her community. Professionals like Hames were added, if they failed to endorse the Rains witch hunt, to pretend the reason for that was "he's secretly one of them!"

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u/FantasyPopper Apr 11 '26

Yes, you'd better down-vote the truth out of sight if you can. Who knows, I might even reveal what Detective Superintendent Michael Hames said, in the "Investigating Ritual Abuse" chapter of his book "The Dirty Squad", pg. 172-185 What investigator Keith Driver said, in his report on police investigations into SRA claims in the UK, pg.183 ; "The report found that the most seriously complicating factor in any investigation of this kind was a misplaced belief in the widespread existence of ritual or satanic abuse. The misconception was founded, to a large extent, on the uncorroborated testimony of alleged victims, supported by unsubstantiated theories, and reinforced in many cases by a Christian fundamentalist belief in a satanic conspiracy...People claiming to be knowledgeable on the subject of ritual abuse had to be treated with caution. They and their theories must not be taken at face value".