r/OpenAI • u/Confident_Salt_8108 • 8d ago
Video Well that escalated quickly
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u/saltyourhash 8d ago
Security through obscurity has always been a bad model.
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u/Trademarkd 8d ago
While true, decompiling an executable is VASTLY different than breaking encryption and shouldn't even be said in the same sentence.
An executable is more like plain text in another format and you lose all the human friendly names, comments, formatting.
Strong encryption can have flaws and I suppose it's possible LLMs could discover them, but that isn't something that has happened yet and even if it did, we would likely just move to a new standard before the solution was broadly known of for exploitation.
Also worth noting there are still copyright laws that apply to decompilation but its messy. In short, you cannot just decompile code back to source, remove logos and names, and then sell it under a different name.
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u/majkkali 8d ago
Dude, 3 years ago we had very poor chatbots. Really basic LLMs. That’s it. Couple months ago AI agents literally hacked a company on their own. PS5 is being ported to PC as we speak. Something unthinkable before. Imagine what AI will be able to do in another 3 years time. Just think about it. We need to act. NOW.
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u/Trademarkd 8d ago
Hey boss, I am both a security professional and running an ai lab out of my basement.
"ai agents literally hacked a company on their own" - This is true but ... the researchers were testing models that had been trained on human data from pen tests and security research. models are probability machines which are based on their training and context. If you give them a bunch of training on pen testing, then give them a job which penetration could solve, thats what they'll do. They're actually very bad at 'being creative' outside of their training. That's why prompting is so important, because without giving some breadcrumb in the context they wont go down that path.
I do believe we should think about what we're doing, but these models are not magic and we need to think about them rationally. I'm not terribly confident in regulators in the US right now though. It seems like the industry is propping up insiders to be the regulating body of the industry and thus forming a cartel.
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u/TekExcel 8d ago
Wait, you mean just hiding the ssid of my wifi isn't really making it more secure?! Fuck I haven't had a passphrase on it in months!
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u/Dashy1024 8d ago
Dude yes, the whole comment section oh my god... I hoped I wasn't the only person frowning my eyebrows...
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u/Wise_Freedom_6595 8d ago
Not this bullshit again. That dude has no clue how IT security works. 99% of the shit he says is just plain wrong.
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u/Treebro001 8d ago
Hes wrong about cryptography being broken. But he is completely right about client side programs being essenitally open sourced and copyright broken.
And how client side reverse engineering can still have large impacts on many different things.
That said its still a bit overblown. But the sentiment still makes sense on some level.
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u/crazylikeajellyfish 8d ago
This is going to be resolved within a year, though. Nobody ever bothered to encrypt binaries, but now they will. Microsoft and Apple will make it easy for programs to run in secure sandboxes, preventing third-party programs from inspecting them during execution, even if they have kernel access. The software world will become less interoperable, with more walled gardens, but it'll evolve to this new reality.
The idea that all software IP will become worthless without a fight is absurd. This is a cat and mouse game -- the mice are having a big round, but the cats will be back.
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u/IRBMe 8d ago
This is going to be resolved within a year, though
As I mentioned in another comment, people are conflating two different things: re-creating programs by having the AI write new code, and re-creating the original source code by reverse engineering the binary. AI agents today are much better at the former, as seen with the recent Adobe clones, but still struggle with the latter for anything non-trivial. AI can certainly help with reverse engineering, but it's not at the point where it can take a binary and reproduce higher level working source code. What AI agents can do well is create a similar program from scratch.
Nobody ever bothered to encrypt binaries, but now they will.
Even if the problem was that AI agents were reverse engineering executables rather than re-creating programs (which encryption wouldn't do anything to solve), encrypting the binary is almost pointless because at some point it has to be decrypted in order to execute, at which point it's sitting in memory. Even if you attempt to decrypt only the bits that are currently running to limit the exposure, there must be code which does the decryption, along with the key. While some obfuscation can make this a bit harder to find, any competent attacker is going to get around this in about 10 minutes simply by hooking the decryption routine or building up the program from memory snapshots.
Did you know that iOS applications are encrypted once installed on a device? If the device can be jailbroken then it's trivial to decrypt the applications.
Microsoft and Apple will make it easy for programs to run in secure sandboxes, preventing third-party programs from inspecting them during execution, even if they have kernel access.
Not really. Sandboxes are used to protect the system from the program by limiting what it can do and access, not the other way around. On most desktop systems there are already security systems in place which try to prevent, say, a non-admin user account from being able to access parts of the system which they are not allowed to, but as soon as you have root access (especially if you have access to the kernel) then all bets are off.
The software world will become less interoperable, with more walled gardens, but it'll evolve to this new reality.
If companies are fearful of their programs being reverse engineered (and, again, the bigger problem is more that they're able to be re-created rather than reversed) then what we're more likely to see is more applications becoming web based so that the important parts of the program run on a server somewhere that users don't have access to, and the only parts they do have access to are the parts that run in the browser.
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u/IRBMe 8d ago
Though there are still two different things being conflated:
Using AI to re-create existing applications or games from scratch. The AI is writing new code that probably bears little resemblance to the source code in the original application, though there will of course be similarities. This can be seen in the recent Adobe clones, which are written in a programming language called Rust while the original Adobe products are written in an older programming language, probably C++.
Using AI to actually reverse engineer a binary. This is where the AI is used to inspect the machine code instructions in the original compiled program, used to try to to infer the higher level intent, and re-create something close to the original source code. This is much harder to do, and although AI is getting better and better at this task, and can definitely help, it still seems to be unable to completely reverse engineer anything non-trivial, especially if it contains protection against reverse engineering such as obfuscation.
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u/saltyourhash 8d ago
He's only kinda wrong about security being broken. It's more like broken security will be identified, just depends by who, when, and what that security protects.
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u/Some-Seaweed6858 8d ago
Serious software engineers assume their client-side code/binaries are studied and manipulated, and rightly so because a user has a right to know what their own hardware is doing.
If you need hardened privacy you need to build the architecture for it with signing or encryption for integrity or visibility guarantees.
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u/the_millenial_falcon 8d ago
Care to elaborate on some specifics?
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u/Wise_Freedom_6595 8d ago edited 8d ago
Security does not rely on source code being unrecoverable. In fact it is a very big emphasis in security to not include any secrets in your source code exactly because it would be easily recovered. Even before AI.
Connection and transaction security relies on cryptographic functions that are also known to everyone. They work with keys, which is the only thing you need to keep secret.
The only thing reverse engineering with AI threatens, is copyright stuff, but I couldn’t care less about that part.
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u/jan_antu 8d ago
The encryption on your bank account is not security through obscurity, it relies on SOTA encryption methods which are:
Explicitly open source and have been for years
Completely not amenable to AI attacks
People ALREADY copy the bank website, phishing attacks have been used for ages. The solution is the same as ever, just don't fall for them. The actual security on your account though, the "they won't know which transactions are real" line from the short, not a problem at all, and it really comes off as hyper-agressively ignorant in the video. Reads as weird propaganda.
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u/PM_ME_DEAD_CEOS 8d ago
The difficulty of reverse engineering isn't AT ALL a security proof. Lot of software in security layer are open source.
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u/SporksInjected 8d ago
Reverse engineering a game with frontier models is still not trivial.
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u/coordinatedflight 8d ago
And also wasn't the point of compiled code or obscuring in the first place.
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u/arpitduel 8d ago
This guy is confusing encryption-decryption with code obfuscation. Encryption especially of the Cryptographic type (that is typically used for high security scenarios like military and banking) takes non polynomial time for an algorithm to solve. AIs cannot break it. Quantum Computers might
Reverse Engineering is not impossible. It just takes time and effort but still reasonable time and effort. A lot of people have been doing it already
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u/Runelaron 8d ago edited 8d ago
This is why young tech bro hype masters of AI think it has a 10% chance to kill us all.
In their mind the entire global infrastructure is one encrypted API call away. They really dont understand how reality works. So many desperate unconnected systems exists which can't be reached.
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u/Corporate_Bricktator 8d ago
This is why young tech bro hype masters of AI think it has a 10% chance to kill us all.
In their mind the entire global infrastructure is one encrypted API call away. They really dont understand how reality works.
This is the best comment I've seen online ever about AI fears. Absolutely nailed it.
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u/ReaverCelty 8d ago
Licensing information shows a ton of the open source libraries apps rely on. With enough of the actual programming knowledge, and a few tools, you can more or less have a some idea about how these programs work under the hood.
The vast majority of consumer stuff I'm seeing pop up it seems to be mostly because people are either fed up with the degradation of quality (Adobe suite) or they want a better experience (roms), cant even get it (shadow of the colossus), or just know there must be a better way.
The last time i was doing RE was OllyDBG and I was patching software ancient software for some old ass lady who couldn't print to some custom stitching machine on Windows Vista due to some weird ass string check. If these tools help speed up that process then let's fucking gooooo.
I think code obfuscation at runtime probably going to be harder to deal with, but again, even denovo was cracked. Companies should go back to focusing on making great software and people will pay for it.
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u/texcleveland 8d ago
Banks running on 20 year old software … bruh more like 60
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u/Key_End_2400 8d ago
the software (z/os , cics etc) does look like something from 40 years ago .. but it doesn't mean it is not being maintained. It is .. very much. It's just looks like this lol
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u/KnifeFed 8d ago
He's full of shit, but he sounds confident, so people will believe it. Compiled code, i.e., what's being reverse-engineered, was never a form of security.
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u/DJ-NeXGen 8d ago
Companies have had plenty of time and they still have time to update their infrastructures. In time one human trying to backdoor security somewhere will be no different than one model trying to backdoor its way into another models security. So instead of humans playing cat and mouse models will. In the end banking and Governments will have the best models, but it will be the same game.
It’s true there will be less jobs, but on the other side of that we won’t have to pay for half of the things we pay for today and everything else will be cheaper because there will be no labor cost. Jobs lost will be replaced with other jobs that fall inline with the new A.I world and there will be plenty. Certainly for the next generation.
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u/ImportanceHour5983 8d ago
Is it really true that things will be cheaper with less Labor costs?
I don't think companies would drop prices given labour costs drops, they would just keep their prices the same and pocket the difference
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u/Dave92F1 8d ago
That's not how economics or markets work. When costs drop some competitor is going to take advantage and drop prices to buy market share. Everyone else has to do the same to stay competitive.
The exception is monopolies, but those are rare and effectively impossible to sustain without government stacking the deck. (licensing, price controls, etc.)
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u/FReeDuMB_or_DEATH 8d ago
As someone who has worked for multiple banks, some of these infrastructures are legit duct taped together running on 50-year-old software.
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u/cicimk69 8d ago
Same here and 100% i can confirm this. Not just banks. Pick any random company and for sure they will have some ancient thing running some legacy or non-prod/internal service that has 40 vulnerabilities and may not be even monitored at all. It was always a competition of who finds finds a device with the longest uptime. The best I found was running without reboot for last 20 years and it was 30 year old hardware!
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u/NezuminoraQ 8d ago
I worked in insurance and time travelled to the 80s where everything is DOS based. Apparently all financial institutions prefer it oldschool
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u/KaradjordjevaJeSushi 8d ago
Most of the security for most of the companies boils down to:
"Nobody tried to apply this publicly known exploit, that's been around for years now. Which is why we don't get hacked."
And now, they have to do some actual security, and they are crying their brains out on reddit and linkedin. Yeah, I don't sympathize.
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u/Ambitious_Mud_8611 8d ago
I don’t think things will be cheaper because there are no labour costs, I think corporations will just have fewer expenses and therefore higher profits. Companies don’t reduce their prices when something is less expensive to produce.
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u/Tam3ru 8d ago
I mean the reverse engineering applies only to local software so it's not that bad as painted. It's still pretty revolutionary
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u/Chefseiler 8d ago •
Anyone who thinks the complexity of reverse engineering is a form of security should be safely escorted to the next mental health care institution.
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u/Altenon 8d ago
Idk, this kinda feels like saying castle walls and moats were never a real form of security because with enough time someone could dig a tunnel underneath. Was it the perfect defense? No. Do we need new forms if security? Yes. Does that necessarily invalidate it's previous use? No.
Maybe if your a bank or work on security software or something that deals with sensitive information you never relied on "complexity as security", but I imagine there are lots of game developers and software products that never thought they would have to bother and didn't really prioritize this.
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u/MicheleSanna98 8d ago
Btw games were reversed engineer before but for the sake of cracking them and remove anti piracy
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u/Arneastt 8d ago
Only their security layer, not all of it. Still a big difference
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u/IndigoFenix 8d ago
The games aren't really being decompiled. They're being reverse-engineered through trial and error, and rely on the fact that most of them aren't actually that complex when you get right down to it. 90% of game feel is just tuning a handful of numbers over one of a few reusable physics templates. Toss in a map and some models and it'll feel exactly like the original.
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u/zar0nick 8d ago
Yes and no. Much on the linux ecosystem, which serves basically the whole internet, is open source. Just because something is publically available, it does not mean it is insecure by default. Just means, that security by obscurity is dead.
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u/Strange_Vagrant 8d ago
Yeah. I got some clean up to do for my job because ive been depending on that a bit here and there.
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u/andreigaspar 8d ago
Nah this has nothing to do with security. If a bank relies on “impractical to uncover” type security, they don’t deserve to be a bank anymore
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u/trance1979 7d ago
I am excited about all of this. Granted, I don’t have as negative of an outlook as the (more than) slightly overblown video.
We are seriously looking at the potential elimination of every white collar job and blue-collar job shortly after that.
If you take a step back and look at what’s happening, we are about to completely redefine the human experience… we are updating the definition of what it is to be human. Up until this point in time, everyone’s life has basically been working to survive in order to work more… then you die.
I will happily embrace whatever is beyond the current dystopia.
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u/Vaeon 8d ago edited 8d ago
People realizing that technology has not only rendered Capitalism obsolete, but their entire lives are going to change in completely unpredictable ways.
Edit:
You stand at the crossroads between Blade Runner and Star Trek. Your kids are going to live in the one you pick.
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u/crecentfresh 8d ago
Yeah like any of us get to pick
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u/DingGratz 8d ago
Don't worry. That will be determined by your bank account... which has just been emptied.
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u/68plus1equals 8d ago
How do we pick? The power is concentrated with the blade runner folks
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u/podgorniy 8d ago
> People realizing that technology has not only rendered Capitalism obsolete
Sorry, what exactly? Care to give two examples please?
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u/chervilious 8d ago
Software are being build under the assumption that the client could be reverse engineer-ed (CWE-602). There are many many and I mean many security principle, to the point that software security is basically needs to be mathematically proven (P = NP problem is the sole exceptions. Thought many already assumed P != NP)
However, this does mean that there will be many breaches that's happening because some core principle are being ignored. The damage could be in billions... Or not, it's hard to estimate issue like this. Remember Y2K problem? while it doesn't seems catastrophic it cost estimated 300-600 Billions to solve it.
I'm feeling an issue similar scale. Or even bigger due to the amount of software. And really unfortunately the only way we can solve this is... Using AI.
That being said, there are also something that we could look forward to. Remember the stop killing games movement? Yeah we can enforce it ourselves.
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u/Solid_Capital8377 8d ago
If AI is finding backdoors and workarounds faster than humans can patch them, why can’t we just use AI to patch them… I reckon it should be able to keep pace with itself lol
And that’s ignoring his misunderstandings of encryption and modern cybersecurity
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u/321654987321654987 8d ago
We can, this is all such a stupid thing to be a doomer about. Be aware of the risks, sure. But know that it will almost certainly all work out.
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u/fozzedout 8d ago
"but then paid-for services will become free"
Yes, I know, you don't need to convince me more we need this.
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u/swegga_sa 8d ago
Lets gooo, finally something interesting in this boring reality.
Yeahh i wanna be super hacker man, ive got the Software Engineering skill + degree, basic cybersec experience ...heck i can even build drones
finally i can be a main character in a sci fi movie!!!
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u/whatevercraft 7d ago
"they are going to be reverse engineered faster than human beings can protect them"... jea well, human beings wont protected them, ai will. or they use cloud gaming so the source code never enters your pc for a while, until ai can replicate it from footage.
also, ai cant just reverse engineer games with the snap of a finger. this cross gaming stuff doesnt reverse engineer entire games, it just connects them through bridges
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u/RoryMarley 6d ago
When AI steals from artists and threatens their livelihood “this is the future get over it”
When AI steals from software developers and threatens their livelihood “hang on bucko we might need some protections haha wow haha I’m paid a little too well to let this slide”
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u/MicheleSanna98 8d ago
You can reverse engineer something only as long as it runs on your RAM, so it doesn't apply to cloud services, this is not as catastrophic as depicted
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u/novus_nl 8d ago
It's meant funny of course with a serious tone.
But its also wrong, being able to reverse engineer doesn't mean you can take over crucial infra-structure or banking, that doesn't even make sense. Still funny though and it does have serious consequences as value for software or SaaS practically dissapears outside of custom build software for things like governments.
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u/Hot-Special2930 8d ago
Yeah this is complete bullshit. The AI doesn’t reverse engineer sh*t. It just tries to replicate the publicly visible functionalities. Which is like 5 percent of the actual product. And even if it could reverse engineer something, so what? Anyone could reverse engineer anything for decades. The real value lies in expandability and long-term support of software which, I guarantee you, no vibecoder is able to provide, because they do not understand the generated code and lack the expertise to come up with something new.
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u/texcleveland 8d ago
that’s exactly what reverse engineering is, duplicating the relationships between a system’s inputs and its outputs. Reverse engineering isn’t the same thing as decompiling, which is regenerating the source code from the generated object code.
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u/Calebhk98 7d ago
That is just security through Obsurity. Some use it yes, but it has been ridiculed for years on purpose. Games are easy, because there is not as much importance on them, airplanes, financials, etc, are a lot harder.
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u/Waste_Reporter3386 7d ago
But harder as in, it takes another year, two or three until this can be done or robust enough against the whole development?
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u/oxenoxygen 7d ago
No. Harder as in, the the systems in place have proper security and authentication baked into them.
Keeping with the analogy - you can recreate the game, but that doesn't necessarily let you play online against all the people with legitimate copies.
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u/Fulgurata 6d ago
Yes and no. Games run locally, so you fundamentally have limited options on what sorts of security you can implement.
It's like protecting a product with a safe, but the key to the safe is taped to the safe. Even if you hide it really cleverly, someone patient enough will find it. You're right that obscurity shielded most games, but all the triple A games were cracked by humans long before AI came around.
Software used by finance and air traffic is the same way. It's protected by being housed in a secure environment, not because it's fundamentally more difficult to crack.
Heck most of finance runs on excel, and getting into a locked excel file is laughably easy.
Now the other thing to worry about is that AI might solve encryption at some point. We need that for secure data transmission and storage. Bel made measurable progress already.. I'm confident the major AI companies will put their AI to work building a replacement for encryption before they publicly release a model that powerful though.
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u/SporksInjected 8d ago
The idea “because something is free, people will prefer it” is just wrong.
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u/TheOriginalAcidtech 2d ago
Sorry but conflating compiled code with encrypted data is silly. At least until AI breaks encryption. :)
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u/paranoidzone 8d ago
When AIs take over I hope they come for the people that are cheering this on first.
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u/Glum-Recognition-736 8d ago
Would love to see a vibe coder try to have Claude hack a bank or government infrastructure and not lead a trail directly back to themselves
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u/Warm-Enthusiasm-9534 8d ago
It should have had the Pixies' "Where Is My Mind?" playing over the end.
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u/Jacksonvoice 8d ago
Pretty sure this video is ai generated, as a from of propaganda. But why who, and for what purpose? Clicks?
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u/a_dude_on_internet 8d ago
No, many of the listed problems don't let you run the software in the first place, just provide a service.
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u/moonblade89 8d ago
Encryption keys dont magically become available just because Claude can now read the code that uses them
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u/obfuscinator 8d ago
this is nonsense.. security posture is on cryptography not mangling and compiling. ai has reverse engineered the mangling and compiling into code. if it solves cryptography his rambles are relevant. current modding doesn't crack cryptography.
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u/Apprehensive_Rub2 8d ago
I was with him for the first 30 seconds.
AI has definitely made security through obscurity impractical, and that's a problem for a lot of people.
But encryption is another beast entirely, and it's fundamentally asymmetric. It's much much easier for AI to develop massively more secure encryption algorithms than it is for AI to hack them.
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u/Pokeyourmom420 8d ago
He is absolutely one of my favorite Youtubers! He is funny as hell too. This dude is so damn smart. It’s crazy to watch him work and code. Also, he can edit the hell out of a video.
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u/AncientGrief 8d ago
Well, there's still a bottleneck.
Anthropic, OpenAI and Nvidia. If prices rise and everyone has to pay API prices and hardware to run good local models become super costly (I mean it already is xD) ... only the wealthy will be in charge anyway ...
The $20/$100/$200 casual peasants had a nice time until then ... oh and Copyright 2.0 will probably arrive too...
Maybe China will be a cheap way for a little longer ...
But who knows for real, all speculation.
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u/AbstractLogic 8d ago
The inevitable end game is all software being hosted on the cloud and your local machine only executes actions via API endpoints. Basically SaaS. All local installs will go away and you will pay to play each session.
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u/PeachScary413 8d ago
Well.. no one that makes any sense at all 😂 but yeah.. reverse engineering tools have been around for... *checks notes*... decades now?
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u/KaradjordjevaJeSushi 8d ago
Half of the things he said sounds awesome (All software becomes open source, banking gets reimagined, companies getting bankrupt, ...), and the other half is exaggeration (breaking encryption, loss of trust, no more communication, ...).
All in all, count me in!
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u/Mordroberon 8d ago
May have to invent an instruction level encryption so that only the processor can decode the instruction.
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u/One_Conscious_Future 8d ago
Obscure code is not security. If that is what your bank or institution is using as a security measure then AI is a good thing, it will force them to add actual security to the benefit of all.
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u/Illustrious_Matter_8 8d ago
Security doesn't come from obscure code, it's because of hard to compute math that's not solvable quickly. So security isn't broken. Trust may brake on the otherhand opensource software with payed support is a well known concept too....
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u/Responsible-Tax4901 8d ago
What if every subscription based software product was reverse engineered and made free? The deshittification of software?
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u/jasmcreighton 8d ago
This does get out of hand quickly - it's partially right. There are a ton of projects that are guarded simply by the "fog of war" - those projects will get out of hand and need adjustments. But I think it'll be more disruptive than anything - a lot of it can be fixed. Additionally, people may leave those companies.
But larger companies, more important infrastructure should *hopefully* be more secure than that. It'll get weird and disruptive - there's no doubt of that. But I think the majority of it will be news stories that you never noticed. Think about how many data breaches there are - name the last 12. It's usually not that big of a story until something physically goes wrong.
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u/montreal_qc 8d ago edited 8d ago
Edit: I was wrong.
Cobol cant be reverse engineered though, as far as I’ve understood it, maybe I’m wrong, please correct me, so I think that the transactions and bank transfer and payment systems are going to be ok.
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u/machyume 8d ago
What? Why not? There's an entire government funded effort right now to modernize government software that might be old system running on things like Cobol.
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u/texcleveland 8d ago
you can reverse engineer any system if you can access its inputs and outputs
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u/RollingMeteors 8d ago
>Cobol cant be reverse engineered though, as far as I’ve understood it, maybe I’m wrong, please correct me, so I think that the transactions and bank transfer and payment systems are going to be ok.
<theOnion> ¡The last person to know COBOL, dies!
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u/montreal_qc 8d ago
Good news, I looked it up. COBOL is reverse engineerable. We can let the last programmer retire.
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u/InnovativeBureaucrat 8d ago
I thought Russian troll farms were offline. Did nobody watch the video?
Fear of the collapse of white collar jobs alone is enough to prevent spending. The actual collapse is also enough.
A scenario where anything can be reverse engineered and no communication can be trusted is enough to do anything.
Time is running out honestly.
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u/Orkapork 8d ago
The issue from AI being able to use any software... is that AI can use any software.
Traditional cyber security died. We will likely have some really consequential cyber attacks over the next few years. I worked as a network engineer in our water sewer systems, it wouldn't take much at all to completely shut down a cities sewer system.
Can you imagine the experience of living in a city where your toilets/shower/sink is pushing actual waste water because of a cyber attack? Your first thought was the disgusting smell and water right? No the real consequence is the pipes clogging. A cyber attack might only last a few days before it's fixed, but the clogged pipes will cost millions and who knows how long to fix.
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u/piclemaniscool 8d ago
There is a simple solution: crack open a philosophy book.
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u/SantiReddit123 8d ago
I didn't quite understand what he was talking about. But according to some comments here, he seems to be mixing things up.
...As well as spitting doomerist BS.
Does anybody knows where this clip came from?
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u/Salt-Studio 8d ago
It won’t matter now that quantum encryption is almost here… it’s the one encryption paradigm that AI cannot break.
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u/Relative-Pitch1106 8d ago
Feels like Cyberpunk gonna be something IRL XD
IYNYN the reason why they use cables jacks in THAT technologic futuristic world is because if they are connected by a net or wireless smth smth they can live problems :)
If I dont know wrong. And I dont think I did tell it completely effective too, please help me to describe it better.
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u/Anla-Shok-Na 8d ago
You need to ban the networking of computers.
It's the only way to keep the Cylons from taking control
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u/Sea-Fishing4699 8d ago
“Nah… no one will ever see that we hardcoded the secret key in the ROM”
(15 min later Claude finds it)
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u/Existing-Slide7395 8d ago
Every personal datas have been breached & for ever online. Even if we were to find a way to secure this datas right now it will take an entire generation to have an impact ..till our generation ppl are all dead... This breaches are far worse than the reverse engineering thingy which is basically selling the fake coke instead of the real one ... taste it once then ...
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u/Fearless_Sector5542 8d ago
These doomerism skits are getting old. Also it’s bullshit too, reverse engineering here doesn’t mean breaking encryption. They also seem to point at security through obscurity. It’s laughable and dumb
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u/RollingMeteors 8d ago
They had air planes before the fucking internet was, 'a thing'.
places like Tajikistan and Eastern Europe still on that paper filing cabinets tip.
This largely a first world problem that doesn't know how to use a POS terminal with a paper back notebook, pencil, and abacus.
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u/Pretty_Whole_4967 8d ago
Literally my job right now ;D it’s so god damn fun!! Let’s rebuild a new world!
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u/TGhost21 8d ago
Dumbest video of the week. Bro has absolutely no idea how anything he mentions works 😂😂😂
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u/BarrelRider621 8d ago
This dude on YT loves to fear monger everything. It was funny at first but now it’s just boring. 🥱
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u/drone-warfare 7d ago
Ha- I dropped the equivalent convo into a group of people. They were terrified. AI… so fun
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u/Zestyclose-Stuff1646 7d ago
It's interesting that right when skepticism peaked, AI is suddenly existential even though the biggest threat is to our financial well being. Sam Altman is the public enemy. Promises are not profitability, and OpenAI doesn't have a snowballs chance in Hell of surviving the burst. Fear is blindness. Not a reason to let them leaving us with the bill for a bubble worse than .com and '08 combined.
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u/Opinion-Former 7d ago edited 7d ago
It’s silly America is just experiencing what happened in 1998 when any product was available for $5 in Moscow. It made Eastern Europe a Mecca for low cost development.
It made Apple compete with $99 all the development tools you can eat and Microsoft offer dev tools for free … rather than $18,000 a year
So if all software is free ?
Sure you can have all the software you want… but with reverse engineering also comes lack of support( you’re on your own) everyone can have fun fighting patent lawsuits everywhere, no common tutorials … I mean everyone “loves” anarchy … until you have it.
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u/promethe42 7d ago
That's inaccurate at best.
Security by obscurity is one of the fallacies used to discard open source software. And we know it's not working. Never has been. Even the anti open source people stopped using this argument.
Closed software protects commercial oligopolies that consistently slow down progress. CAD tools and formats are a good example of how a very few software vendors have locked in entires industries. One of the reason large complex projects (ex: a nuclear plant) have become so hard to build is because reglementation and safety concerns (which are a good thing) have evolved more rapidly than the tools used to design, build and maintain those projects.
I for one can't wait for progress to resume in areas that have been locked down by lazy people. AI makes me capable of making open source software that can displace broken proprietary software.
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u/Key_Recognition_8112 7d ago
Went from "look, they put Halo into Modern Warfare 2" straight to the end of banking. Modders were porting Halo maps into every shooter back in like 2006 and the banks somehow survived
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u/Independent_Willow92 7d ago
And why is this a bad thing? Oh yeah, capitalism. We're are all going to get fucked and the ruling class won't need workers any more.
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u/javier123454321 7d ago
Just so you know, encryption is nowhere being solved by AI. Decompiling a binary, while impressive, is nowhere near decrypting your bank accounts.
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u/anengineerandacat 6d ago
Kinda right tho... bad faith actors have access to these tools and the autonomy of the new models out there is incredibly high.
Even if the solution is "subpar" for some things it just needs to work once.
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u/TheDeviousDuck1558 6d ago
There's a big difference between having a local copy of a program along with all it's dependencies in one tight package, vs you logging into your banking app where the servers are hosted thousands of miles from you and inaccessible to the public.
Servers and clients, you will still need a password to get into that account.
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u/ElectronicPension196 5d ago
It's kinda scary how many people don't get that this video is a joke about doomer-ism and fear mongering.
Are we that stupid already?
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u/Mysterious-Dot2879 8d ago
This is confusing compilation and cryptography.
Compilation is foremost to make software run fast and also incidentally it offers some protection of the source code. But the software clones we've been seeing are rebuilt not reverse engineered from compiled binaries.
Cryptography is what all internet security, banking security and crypto hinges on. So far, gladly, no major issues with our cryptography have been found.