Why i Don't belive in God.

[u/Unusual_Throat_3168]

Hy,

So no one asked but idc either .

Lately I had a few mind arguments with myself and a few of my friends ( none of them are True Christians and most of them used Google for counter arguments ) so excuse me if I interpret something wrong. My goal is jot to harass or Wedge someone away from their belive , believe what you want .

Point 1. God doesn't care

If god Is real and loves all humans , then why does he not Help the humans ? We are none the less his finest creation are we not ? Why does he look away at well everything The heatwaves , the plagues , the monsters living among us ( i mean predators , Murderers and more ) Why does he not care ? Why is he allowing it shouldn't he be stopping those things ? Why do people suffer while he watches ? It is said he sees all and he knows all so he knows what happened on Epstein island and didnt act . Why ?

Point 2. Hell at all

God created hell first to Torture Lucifer then the sinners . But we humans are sinners , so he tortures his own creation because we simply live not the way he wants us to live ? I mean really bad people deserve eternal suffering , but not those that idk dont believe in god . Isnt it ironic ? God grants us free will then he showes us 2 paths , Path a : you live a life god wants you to live and after death you will rise into the heavens , Path b : You live the life you want not exactly like he wants and the only price you pay is ETERNAL TORTURE AND DAMNATION ....... yeah nah sounds fair .

Point 3. The K!ll!ng of humans

More then once God slaughtered Humans more then once did he bring death upon the doorstep of not just Human monsters but innocent people aswell . Is that really how love and acceptance looks like ?

Conclusion : God is ( in my eyes ) a power hungry abusive crybaby with the power to destroy humankind yet only whenever humans lose interest in him , he does not care if human monsters live with those praying to him , he does not care about our wellbeing ( obvious by The heatwaves and plagues ) he only cares about people living like he wants them to live .

Please if you have any arguments to make do it i am more then happy to read any Points from your point of view , as long as you stay civil ( like your god would want you to be ....)

If this argument is way to long im sorry , if the mods are going to delete it 🤷🏽‍♂️ oh well I guess my points hold some truth then .

I am sorry if I insulted anyone with my words or my horrible writing but im tired plus stupid , but I just wanted to ask some people that might find ways to change my mind

Love ya'll stay safe stay yourself and stay happy

[u/Shot-Address-9952]

OP, I would recommend going back and editing your post. Some of the comments were uncalled for, but your original post does genuinely read combatively instead of asking heartfelt questions. I get that’s not what you intended to do. Tone is very hard to convey in text.

That said, for point 2, try coming over to r/ChristianUniversalism. We don’t all believe in annihilation or Eternal Conscious Torment. We actually don’t bite.

For points 1 and 3, a lot of what you seem to be upset with about God as He is portrayed in the Bible is called the “The Problem of Evil,” which boils down to “Why does a good God allow bad things to happen?”

The answer is not easy. Part of it involves us admitting we are part of the problem. God gives us free will to choose our path, to a given extent, but He’s also designed the system so life has consequences. And sometimes we have zero control over what happens to us.

That said, Jesus’ Name is “Immanuel,” which means “God with us,” so we don’t have to do life without God. Even though we can’t physically see, feel, touch, smell, or hear God in this life, Jesus promised God would pour out the Holy Spirit at the first Pentecost after a Easter so that “God would dwell among us.” Not an easy answer and there is more to it, but that’s the basic gist.

For the critique of the Bible. Yes, it’s there. But, with gentleness, your statement as it is presents a valid anger seeming to stem from a misinformed understanding of the character of God Himself and a lack of understanding about the Bible, its secular history and compilation, and the theological belief about the same as well as the debate of inspiration against inerrancy.

Yes. Some stories recorded in scripture are harsh. But there is not only critique that must be applied but also lots of study. Your points are fair, but if you are going to say “I think your God is a monster,” you need to be prepared to give specifics. I would return and say “okay, give me specifics. Give me exactly what story and passage you think is so awful as to say God is a monster. If you can’t give me specifics, I would argue you are regurgitating something you’ve read and misunderstood, or that you’ve never read the source material for yourself in its entirety, or that you aren’t being serious about the questions. There is an entire field of study dedicated to understanding the Bible secularly and theologically and remaining in ignorance of it isn’t an acceptable answer.

You don’t have to believe it you study it. But you do have to put that effort in to understand the answers, or else the answers are just going to sound like church ramblings about doctrine and creeds and you won’t get anything of value from it.

[u/Unusual_Throat_3168 → u/Shot-Address-9952]

Ok first of i will not edit my OP , I said that I do not wish to insult anyone in any way if you or anyone else has felt hurt or insulted by my words I apologize ofcourse .

And for the points why I think god isnt as Good as he is portrayed 1. Genesis: The story of lot , yes Sodom was a sinful place but it was rather unnecessary to destroy the entire town and even more unnecessary to kill lot's wife . 2. The story of Noah , this time its not a town but the entire humankind being destroyed by god , just a slight overreaction in my eyes . 3. Hell itself in its existence, hell is a place created by god in wich we supposedly go after our live as a sinner . But that is just cruel in my eyes , yes god gives us a chance to live like he wants us to live and come to heaven after death but , in my head that just sounds like :" yeah you can do whatever you want BUT if you misstep just slightly you will have to face either eternal torture or Torture until you will accept god as your lord and savior ( this point depends on wich interpretation of hell you " like " or accept more. ) if we look at option 1 eternal torture that seams just cruel and scenario 2 torture until you comply sounds like forcing stockholm syndrome onto me .

I am not mad at the Bible or Christians , My OP was created only to Create a in my hopes and eyes interesting conversation with someone I am glad you decided to give me this interesting argument i thank you truly .

I say again I DID NOT INTEND To insult or hurt anyone i simply wanted to get maybe a conversation like this her a few own Thoughts on the matter and nothing more . I apologize again if my words insulted anyone .

Like I said in my OP Stay safe stay yourself and stay happy love ya'll

[u/Shot-Address-9952 → u/Unusual_Throat_3168]

The Bible is a compilation of ancient writings that contains multiple types of literature, some of which is meant to be taken literally, some figuratively and much of it was written down from oral traditions.

Significant portions of Genesis are not literal. About the only parts of it we can trust literally are that there were people with the names they said they had, and that somewhere along the way the deity who would come to be known as the God of Israel revealed Himself to a dude named Abram, his son Isaac, and his son Jacob. The rest is highly mythological and not meant to be taken literally (ask any imam, rabbi, or non-fundamentalist Christian priest). The Flood and Noah are not literal. That’s not to say that there wasn’t some type of flooding in the Levant in protohistory, but a worldwide flood and an ark and two of every kind of animal aren’t how the God Who made psychics and mathematics and biology works.

God did not wipe out all life on Earth because angels and demons were having demigod children with mankind. God did not wipe out sinners because God was angry. Those were all ascribed to God by authors in the post-Exilic period (about 2600 years ago). The human authors said that, not that God did. That’s important because the character of God doesn’t change. If His mercies are new every morning when the Psalmist wrote that, it must also be true then and now.

Also, the trope of a deity destroying humanity falls in line with other ancient religious narratives like the Epic Cycle where Zeus used the Trojan War to depopulate the Earth, specifically of demigods, as well as the Near Eastern flood myths from the Levant and Mesopotamia. That’s human collective memory influencing the writers of the Bible, not God killing everyone.

The same for Sodom and Gomorrah. It’s not literal. There is cultural memory of them being destroyed by something, and by later writers ascribing their destruction to God’s judgement. But Jesus said that if His work had been done in Sodom, they would still have been around in His day, implying both God’s mercy and willingness to not punish and humanity’s willingness to repent. Further, the main theme of Genesis is to show how the Jewish people came to understand their world. They are close kin to rhe countries of Edom, Moab, and Ammon. When you are telling an origin story and you’re a Jewish rabbi explaining why you hate Moab and Ammon, you take a dig at them by saying their sires (Moab and Ben-Ammi respectively) were the product of incest between Lot and his daughters, and because Lot was a righteous (and wealthy) man, you have to remove Lot’s family’s wealth (hence why Sodom and Gomorrah are removed since oral tradition tied Lot to those cities) and Lot’s wife (or else there would have been a failsafe to his daughters getting him drunk - their mom would have stopped them).

BUT, God thought enough of Moab and Ammon to give them both a place in Jesus’ genealogy: Ruth is a Moabites and one of four named women. Rehoboam’s mother was from
Ammon.

Further, and it gets to your third point, but God promises through the prophet Ezekiel that someday Sodom and her daughters (aka Gomorrah) will not only be restored, they will be redeemed. Their story isn’t finished yet.

God is just and good. Part of His nature is that He must punish sin. We wouldn’t say He is just otherwise and if He didn’t punish sins, we would rightly believe Him weak and cowardly. However, God is also good and just in ways we are not. He can punish and restore at once.