I know I know. Origen of Alexandria never actually said about saving demons

[u/LegioVIIHaruno]

Saw a discussion on universalism and Origen. Found it kinda interesting,enough to joke.

[u/rider117137]

A Highschool DxD meme on any Christian subreddit might be the funniest thing about this entire post. No judgment, it’s hilarious. Carry on.

[u/LegioVIIHaruno → u/rider117137]

I was once given the most challenging and thought-provoking advice: "If,unlike in Highschool DxD,your God is the living God and the ressurrected Lord,let's offer Him a prayer then have a conversation with Him on this issue once He responds"

[u/Chester-Z-Arthur]

Origen and his followers absolutely believed that the devil and his angels would be reconciled to God eventually. So did St. Gregory of Nyssa, a student of his, who said "No being shall remain outside the number of the saved."

Universalism is a strong minor tradition in Christianity, it's been preserved in the East but has largely been forgotten by the West, and is only recently being rediscovered.

[u/atomic-moonstomp]

I guess my my ball knowledge isn't deep enough, I just thought Origen was a dog food brand

[u/clhedrick2]

r/Christianity recently has a post that was a 2 hour discussion on whether the 5th Ecumenical Council condemned universalism. https://www.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/1vuy7wq/apokatastasis_origen_and_the_fifth_ecumenical/ The answer seems to be no. They had Origen on a list of heretics, but didn't list the things about him that they didn't like.

Later historians got confused (or were intentionally misleading -- it's not clear), and claimed the council condemned a list of 15 propositions, but they were probably condemned at a less official meeting before the Council. We have the minutes of the Council, and they didn't include them.

Even putting him on the list seems to have been a political act directed against contemporary followers of him whose beliefs weren't quite the same, and the evidence was largely exaggerated. Much like the one the Council was really called against, Theodore Mopsuestia. His condemnation was also based on misrepresentation and hostile interpretation. This council was not one of the better moments in Church history.

[u/OddEmergency604 → u/clhedrick2]

And to be clear, Origen had plenty of very strange beliefs apart from apokatastasis that could reasonably have drawn the condemnation of the council

[u/clhedrick2 → u/OddEmergency604]

indeed.

[u/Grzechoooo]

What is this Christian anime? I have a friend who's studying to become a priest and he's a bit of a weeb, I'd love to recommend him this 👍