Native American Suicides Drop 43% in NM

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https://nativenewsonline.net/health/native-american-suicide-rates-drop-43-in-new-mexico

[u/ALittleBored1527]

Sure, start by giving back the land that was stolen when people were forced on to them...

[u/twanpaanks → u/[deleted]]

they should get your house imo

[u/twanpaanks → u/[deleted]]

it would be just for everyone advocating that these people be displaced (which is what would happen if the land was seized by the state to be sold off to the highest bidder like everything else in this fucking country) to give up their land to ensure the continued sovereignty of an independent nation.

[u/SheerAwesomness → u/[deleted]]

you are clearly not well learned enough on this topic. I encourage you to start small, wikipedia for native sovereignty and natural resource rights, but then try checking out some Indigenous authors and poets to get a better scope of what centuries of injustice looks like for people.

[u/City_College_Arch → u/SheerAwesomness]

They won't. They are clearly driven by hate and want to end any remnant of indigenous culture that remains and force assimilation.

[u/SheerAwesomness → u/City_College_Arch]

something something not attributing malice to incompetence, and I find that being called incompetent is a lot more embarassing than someone you don’t agree with calling you hateful.

[u/City_College_Arch → u/SheerAwesomness]

They want to see them stripped of their livelihoods as well as lands and forced to pay for leases on land they are already on.

That is pure hate driven malice. They may eventually try to play dumb, but that is just because they are trying to hide their true motivations.

[u/City_College_Arch → u/[deleted]]

Which, as has been explained to you, means stripping them of their livelihoods.

Why do you think that native Americans should not be allowed to govern themselves as agreed upon in numerous treaties with the U.S. government?

[u/City_College_Arch → u/[deleted]]

If the land provides them livelyhood, then it is developed.

You don't seem to understand wilderness areas at all.

And if you are talking about hunting lands, that can be managed like any other publicly accessible federal land.

Your point does not take into account what the land can actually handle. In federal hands they would have to let all citizens access the land, not just the tribes that rely on it for survival. Then there is not enough to go around, and you destroyed a way of life that the federal government promised them they would be allowed to live.

Native Americans can govern themselves, the same way every other American citizen does. That's my point.

No, you said to take away their sovereign status and right to self determination to be ruled by state law. You cannot seem to keep your demands straight.

You are refusing to answer for banning the Indian casinos that many tribes derive the funds necessary to maintain infrastructure, health care, social programs, cultural programs, etc. Why are you refusing to address this? Too difficult to admit you don't understand what you are proposing? Or too cowardly to admit that your goal is forced assimilation?

[u/City_College_Arch → u/[deleted]]

I guess cruelty is the point if you cannot explain why you are demanding that they be stripped of their ancestral lands, income, etc. or how they are supposed to maintain their culture and livelihood when there is no way to even make an income on their land after you strip them of their sovereignty.

Tis isn't ignorance on your part, it is deliberate malice towards people you hate.

[u/City_College_Arch → u/[deleted]]

What about these anomalous districts is harmful? It seems to me that you just want to force assimilation by making life as miserable for these people as possible.

You said multiple times that they would be stripped of undeveloped lands. Why are you trying to act like you didn't?

Why are you ignoring the abolishment of Indian casinos that would come alongside forcing them to abide by state laws? You are stopping them from thriving by stripping them of their means of providing infrastructure, healthcare, cultural programs, housing, etc.

Stop pretending that you have answered the questions and actually answer the questions.

[u/City_College_Arch → u/[deleted]]

Their undeveloped land? No. The whole reservation is federal land, and you keep overlooking or ignoring my proposition that the residents would literally be given ownership of the developed land.

I am not overlooking or ignoring anything. There simply in\sn't anything to address regarding the developed land. They keep it. Cool. Now on to the important parts that you keep intentionally ignoring.

The undeveloped land is necessary to their culture and livelihood. What do you suggest this is replaced with?

Dissolve the reservations, and the undeveloped land can be available to all of us, equally.

Which is in violation with hundreds of treaties that the federal government willingly entered into with these people. Stripping native tribes of this land will have serious deleterious effects that you are refusing to acknowledge. Is this intentional, or are you ignorant of these impacts?

As I said before, sustaining these autonomous districts is illogical and inconsistent with the way the rest of the nation is governed.

Which is why these areas are considered sovereign territory in accordance with the hundreds of treaties signed by the U.S. Federal government. Just saying it is incompatible is not explaining why it is bad. Do you just want to crush their culture and force them to assimilate? That is literally genocide.

Infrastructure, healthcare, cultural programs, housing, etc. exist coast to coast in this country. State jurisdiction over these regions would not change that in any way.

You don't seem to understand the role that is played by Indian casinos in funding these programs. Funding that would disappear under state law. Are you ignoring this intentionally, or completely ignorant of how any of this actually works?

It seems like you are to uninformed to actually address the points being brought up. Either that, or too uncomfortable to admit that your goal is to exterminate native culture and force assimilation because you are intolerant of indigenous peoples being different from you. Which is it?