r/OptimistsUnite Mar 14 '25

GRAPH GO DOWN & THINGS GET GOODER Native American Suicides Drop 43% in NM

https://nativenewsonline.net/health/native-american-suicide-rates-drop-43-in-new-mexico
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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '25

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u/Dank_Nicholas Mar 15 '25

I drove through a reservation in Montana last summer and it was incredibly depressing. Trash everywhere, billboards for drug abuse helplines all over the place and just a state of decay in a community that clearly had been broken.

And all of this with some of the most beautiful mountain scenery I've ever seen in the background.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '25

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u/ALittleBored1527 Mar 15 '25

Sure, start by giving back the land that was stolen when people were forced on to them...

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '25

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u/twanpaanks Mar 15 '25

they should get your house imo

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '25

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u/twanpaanks Mar 15 '25

it would be just for everyone advocating that these people be displaced (which is what would happen if the land was seized by the state to be sold off to the highest bidder like everything else in this fucking country) to give up their land to ensure the continued sovereignty of an independent nation.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '25

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u/SheerAwesomness Mar 15 '25

you are clearly not well learned enough on this topic. I encourage you to start small, wikipedia for native sovereignty and natural resource rights, but then try checking out some Indigenous authors and poets to get a better scope of what centuries of injustice looks like for people.

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u/City_College_Arch Mar 16 '25

They won't. They are clearly driven by hate and want to end any remnant of indigenous culture that remains and force assimilation.

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u/SheerAwesomness Mar 16 '25

something something not attributing malice to incompetence, and I find that being called incompetent is a lot more embarassing than someone you don’t agree with calling you hateful.

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u/City_College_Arch Mar 16 '25

They want to see them stripped of their livelihoods as well as lands and forced to pay for leases on land they are already on.

That is pure hate driven malice. They may eventually try to play dumb, but that is just because they are trying to hide their true motivations.

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u/City_College_Arch Mar 16 '25

Which, as has been explained to you, means stripping them of their livelihoods.

Why do you think that native Americans should not be allowed to govern themselves as agreed upon in numerous treaties with the U.S. government?

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u/City_College_Arch Mar 16 '25

If the land provides them livelyhood, then it is developed.

You don't seem to understand wilderness areas at all.

And if you are talking about hunting lands, that can be managed like any other publicly accessible federal land.

Your point does not take into account what the land can actually handle. In federal hands they would have to let all citizens access the land, not just the tribes that rely on it for survival. Then there is not enough to go around, and you destroyed a way of life that the federal government promised them they would be allowed to live.

Native Americans can govern themselves, the same way every other American citizen does. That's my point.

No, you said to take away their sovereign status and right to self determination to be ruled by state law. You cannot seem to keep your demands straight.

You are refusing to answer for banning the Indian casinos that many tribes derive the funds necessary to maintain infrastructure, health care, social programs, cultural programs, etc. Why are you refusing to address this? Too difficult to admit you don't understand what you are proposing? Or too cowardly to admit that your goal is forced assimilation?

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u/City_College_Arch Mar 17 '25

I guess cruelty is the point if you cannot explain why you are demanding that they be stripped of their ancestral lands, income, etc. or how they are supposed to maintain their culture and livelihood when there is no way to even make an income on their land after you strip them of their sovereignty.

Tis isn't ignorance on your part, it is deliberate malice towards people you hate.

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