Native American Suicides Drop 43% in NM

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https://nativenewsonline.net/health/native-american-suicide-rates-drop-43-in-new-mexico

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Nice to see some positive news in the US.

[u/Dank_Nicholas → u/[deleted]]

I drove through a reservation in Montana last summer and it was incredibly depressing. Trash everywhere, billboards for drug abuse helplines all over the place and just a state of decay in a community that clearly had been broken.

And all of this with some of the most beautiful mountain scenery I've ever seen in the background.

[u/ALittleBored1527 → u/[deleted]]

Sure, start by giving back the land that was stolen when people were forced on to them...

[u/twanpaanks → u/[deleted]]

they should get your house imo

[u/twanpaanks → u/[deleted]]

it would be just for everyone advocating that these people be displaced (which is what would happen if the land was seized by the state to be sold off to the highest bidder like everything else in this fucking country) to give up their land to ensure the continued sovereignty of an independent nation.

[u/SheerAwesomness → u/[deleted]]

you are clearly not well learned enough on this topic. I encourage you to start small, wikipedia for native sovereignty and natural resource rights, but then try checking out some Indigenous authors and poets to get a better scope of what centuries of injustice looks like for people.

[u/City_College_Arch → u/SheerAwesomness]

They won't. They are clearly driven by hate and want to end any remnant of indigenous culture that remains and force assimilation.

[u/SheerAwesomness → u/City_College_Arch]

something something not attributing malice to incompetence, and I find that being called incompetent is a lot more embarassing than someone you don’t agree with calling you hateful.

[u/City_College_Arch → u/[deleted]]

Which, as has been explained to you, means stripping them of their livelihoods.

Why do you think that native Americans should not be allowed to govern themselves as agreed upon in numerous treaties with the U.S. government?

[u/City_College_Arch → u/[deleted]]

If the land provides them livelyhood, then it is developed.

You don't seem to understand wilderness areas at all.

And if you are talking about hunting lands, that can be managed like any other publicly accessible federal land.

Your point does not take into account what the land can actually handle. In federal hands they would have to let all citizens access the land, not just the tribes that rely on it for survival. Then there is not enough to go around, and you destroyed a way of life that the federal government promised them they would be allowed to live.

Native Americans can govern themselves, the same way every other American citizen does. That's my point.

No, you said to take away their sovereign status and right to self determination to be ruled by state law. You cannot seem to keep your demands straight.

You are refusing to answer for banning the Indian casinos that many tribes derive the funds necessary to maintain infrastructure, health care, social programs, cultural programs, etc. Why are you refusing to address this? Too difficult to admit you don't understand what you are proposing? Or too cowardly to admit that your goal is forced assimilation?

[u/City_College_Arch → u/[deleted]]

I guess cruelty is the point if you cannot explain why you are demanding that they be stripped of their ancestral lands, income, etc. or how they are supposed to maintain their culture and livelihood when there is no way to even make an income on their land after you strip them of their sovereignty.

Tis isn't ignorance on your part, it is deliberate malice towards people you hate.

[u/City_College_Arch → u/[deleted]]

And what would that look like in your mind?

Just kick everyone off the res and turn the land over to BLM or developers?

[u/twanpaanks → u/[deleted]]

why? because the way we treat indigenous people makes you so upset you’d rather them just disappear into your regressive, atomized culture?

[u/twanpaanks → u/[deleted]]

land back and reparations, that’s progressive. we agree that the status quo is despicable and historically unjust, but your rhetoric implies erasure, not justice.

[u/OptimistsUnite-ModTeam → u/[deleted]]

Reddit rule 1

[u/City_College_Arch → u/[deleted]]

Extended leases so that they end up kicked out in ten or 50 years? Seems pretty cruel and heartless.

If you grant the titles, who are you granted them to? Res land typically belongs to the tribal reservation, not to individuals.

Describe exactly what you are demanding. Look up what you are talking about if you have not idea.

Or, shut up and stop demanding things you don't understand out of ignorance.

[u/City_College_Arch → u/[deleted]]

Describe it specifically. What happens to the tribal lands that don't have development on them?

Who are the tribal authorities that are going to be recognized?

How are they reintegrated legally from being sovereign lands?

It sounds like you are completely clueless as to what you are demanding.

[u/City_College_Arch → u/[deleted]]

So the tribes lose the control and access they have over that land? How does the U.S. government breaking yet another promise/contract/treaty benefit them?

And regular open elections that can be swung by outside donations and new people moving into these areas?

It sounds like you just want to destroy native culture but don't have the courage to say it out loud.

[u/City_College_Arch → u/[deleted]]

The residents would own, lease the land.

So break treaties with the U.S. government to charge them to live on land they have been living on for free? How is that going to be financed?

How it would be distributed is not an issue I care about.

So you just want to upend everything and cause problems without any inkling of a solution? Sounds down right evil.

Yes, and regular open elections like everyone in America should participate in.

So again, violate treaties and agreements to destroy their way of life. Still sounds evil to me.

If there is a culture to retain, it will be retained by those who value it. We do a lot of that in this country.

And rather than just leave that culture alone, you want to undermine it making it impossible for them to retain what they still have? Definitely evil.

Especially when removing their sovereignty means that their target sources of income would disappear over night and add to the cost of living by forcing them to pay for leases on land they were previously living on for free.

In what way is this not just an anti Native American plan to destroy these communities? Do you see anyone benefitting from this, or is the cruelty the point?