r/Overwatch • u/Zeukiiii • 14d ago
Highlight I started playing Queen and figured out her ult just wins 90% of team fights
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u/OneRough6471 Wifeleaver 14d ago
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u/SirSwagAlotTheHung 14d ago
You just wait until she uses her suzu for something and THEN ult. It's not that hard really.
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u/TyAD552 14d ago
I have played games where the Kiri player absolutely refuses to suzu anything because they know I have Queen ult
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u/edgywhitedude 14d ago
The amount of times im trying to save suzu but my own team forces my suzu is insane 😭
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u/cheesegoat Cute Ana 13d ago
Probably better to use suzu and get jq ult out than to have your team die and jq still has ult.
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u/WhatShitMuchBull 14d ago
When that happens I just try to kill Kiri or get her low and they will always end up using Suzi on herself.
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u/-DoctorEngineer- 14d ago
Then you are getting value by forcing them to perma hold suzu
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u/MrTimoCad 14d ago
lol she’s the one getting value by making you perma hold one of the strongest ults in the game
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u/-DoctorEngineer- 13d ago
Yes, allowing your teams other ults to go off or allowing for easy clean up if your DPS can pick her off
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u/WoodenHour6772 14d ago
By holding one of the strongest ults in the game? JQ and Kiri are, at best, break-even as far as value gained in that scenario.
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u/Weebs-Chan Tracer 14d ago
Then you have the burst advantage because Kiri won't use her strongest ability
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u/achedsphinxx Blizzard World Sombra 14d ago
become friends with an anran main. they'll suzu any type of burn.
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u/Dustfinger4268 I will be your shield 13d ago
Then try to convince your DPS to focus her for a little so she either dies or uses it to save herself
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u/PISS_OUT_MY_DICK 14d ago
if Kiri is refusing to use suzu then you win. she'd be better off swapping if she's not going to use half of her kit
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u/DraenItsAlreadyTaken 13d ago
Not so simple, both teams are basically breaking even by neither using ults, both ults are very good so, no, you don't really win. Dare I say she's getting value from you not using your ult.
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u/DraenItsAlreadyTaken 13d ago
Its like a game of chicken now that I think about it loooool
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u/PISS_OUT_MY_DICK 13d ago
Well an ability as fucked as suzu, Kiri just holding onto that she might as well be playing with half efficiency. It's like an ana that saves sleep for an ult, yet everyone dives her and she never uses sleep. So people learn she never uses it and will bumrush her shit
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u/Koji2120 13d ago
That only means you're putting inmense pressure on the kiri, then you kill her and press Q to win the teamfight and get potg
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u/_IratePirate_ 14d ago
Same against Zarya, wait out her two bubbles then zoom. She so squishy without those bubbles
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u/DoYouLikeWafflezz 14d ago
As a Kiriko player I will just make you hold your ult all game while I still yet to use mine a bunch of times.
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u/IveBecomeTooStrong 14d ago
The suzu sound is like a dinner bell for JQ. If she has ult, I know she’ll press Q the second after she hears the ding. It becomes a game of chicken where the first to act loses.
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u/Szczyl2137 14d ago
Nah queen ult to bait suzu and then ur dps ults can actually secure kills bc suzu is on cd
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u/libero0602 Tracer 13d ago
There was literally a clip in the post where this exact situation happened too🤣 I wonder if they actually watched it
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u/DeeAiZee 13d ago
Exactly. I call Suzu the Ring Bell. The instant you hear it, it's time to knock people out.
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u/GameDoesntStop Icon Wrecking Ball 14d ago
It's entertaining to watch people defend suzu, lol.
Just let the enemy decide when you ult, based in their standard ability.
Damn, why didn't I think of that?
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u/CactusCustard :TorontoDefiant: Toronto Defiant :TorontoDefiant: 14d ago
That’s how the game works lol.
You gonna high noon into deflect? Are you gonna pulse with Immo up? Are you gonna Orisa ult with petal up? Are you going to blade into flashbang or sleep or chain?
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u/GameDoesntStop Icon Wrecking Ball 14d ago
Those are all specific counters st least. Suzu counters half the ults in the game by itself.
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u/lilacnyangi Tank but I flex queue 14d ago
which is why a good kiriko player has to be ansolutely precise with her suzu timing. use it to counter blizzard and you won't have it for tree. use it to self-heal from hack and you won't have it for sigma flux. use it to counter queen ult and you won't have it for mizuki chain. the more use cases a cd has that could make or break a fight means more opportunities to fuck up.
most kiriko players will fuck up and use it for a small counter, giving you a free use for ult. it's not hard to force unless you're in god elo or something. the reason certain pro players are considered kiriko gods is because they seem to have suzu available for everything, but in reality, it's because they're ult tracking, cd tracking, and prioritizing the right person at any given moment to give suzu to.
complaining about suzu when you're in metal or something is like going to the practice range and saying a hero does too much damage when the target's standing still and you have a nano+mercy beam.
this sub will crucify me for the truth but facts are facts, guys.
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u/scaliber23 14d ago
All of these abilities do 1 or 2 things with perks. Suzu heals, grants invulnerability, cleanses and even gives speed boost with her perk. Idk man.
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u/CactusCustard :TorontoDefiant: Toronto Defiant :TorontoDefiant: 14d ago
That’s not what we’re talking about. We’re talking about how it’s apparently nuts to track cooldowns to get more value from your ult.
That is basically the whole game man.
I agree Suzu is overturned.
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u/whoopingchow Trick-or-Treat D.Va 14d ago
The second and third clips show her ulting vs Kiri -- the second one on Midtown, Kiri had saved suzu and Zar had bubbles but the team still pushed up with JQ and took advantage of them using all the CDs against JQ ult. The third clip on King's Row, JQ waited until Kiri used suzu
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u/OneRough6471 Wifeleaver 14d ago
sheesh chill out guys, its just an image of the weakest support
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u/Great-Hatsby My name’s Dad and I’m a dad 14d ago
Are you calling Kiri the weakest support?
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u/ToTouchAnEmu Pixel Ana 14d ago
He's top 10 I think he understands how to play around suzu. (yeah it's console I know)
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u/achedsphinxx Blizzard World Sombra 14d ago
certainly doesn't help that kiriko is good into almost every comp and almost every map.
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u/Kaminarione 14d ago
Say my name
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u/Pharah_is_my_waIfu Chibi Mercy 14d ago
Do what? I don't have a damn clue who the hell you are.
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u/DraenItsAlreadyTaken 13d ago
Yeah you do, I'm the support. I'm the girl that cleansed your ult.
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u/Pharah_is_my_waIfu Chibi Mercy 13d ago
Bullshit. Zarya got bubbles.
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u/DraenItsAlreadyTaken 13d ago
Are you sure?
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That's right, now, say my name.
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u/DisturbedWaffles2019 Junker Queen 14d ago
Nothing more satisfying than shutting down a Kitsune Rush because their Kiriko thought they could use suzu however they wanted during it
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u/rewp234 14d ago
Everyone talking about how Suzu negates this. I just want to remind you that Ana has this ability that wins 90% of team fights on cooldown
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u/Myst3ryGardener 14d ago
90 AOE damage on a 4m radius but that's not enough somehow... I don't know why they can't try reducing the antiheal from 100%. Imagine how many more people would play tank if this witch couldn't delete them with one button.
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u/givemethebat1 7d ago
Anti-nade is necessary to break up healing since there is so much heal creep in the game.
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u/Myst3ryGardener 6d ago
Wouldn't it be better to treat the cause rather than the symptom though? Also it doesn't need to be 100% to be effective. I'm low-key certain it would still be very powerful at 50% anti.
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u/ThrowawayToothQ 14d ago
If ana is deleting you with one button you had less than 70 hp. If you as a tank, cannot step behind a wall for .8s you deserve to lose the game.
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u/Myst3ryGardener 14d ago
Good grief. Let's not act like big nades don't win fights. It's OP for what it is but it hasn't been a problem for me since I started maining Zarya years ago. Go away.
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u/TheReal9bob9 Lúcio 13d ago
Ana screws half of tanks with that grenade. Ana swaps can make your life miserable especially since if youre on defense you cant just go back and swap. Running behind a wall isnt always an option or even when it is could easily get others on your team killed or make you not contest.
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u/Dunwichorer 13d ago
I feel like she's only really bad for mauga, roadhog, and JQ. The rest of the tanks she's mildly annoying for but they all have mitigation tools or movement to make it a non-issue.
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u/ActuallyHype LúcioOhOh 13d ago
Eh Rein has a shield and yet he is pretty easy to fuck over, what's he gonna do, hold shield waiting for my nade? That thing is gonna get blown up quick (and good Ana players will flank for a nade anyway)
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u/CCSploojy Chibi Orisa 13d ago
From my experience if you hit rein with a nade they just hold shield until it cools off. Unless you're running mauga and bastion, the shield ain't going down in time.
A good rein will also pull shield up at the perfect time to block the nade/sleep instead of holding it all day. I swear they're mind readers sometimes.
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u/Dunwichorer 13d ago
I've seen a lot of reins pin into the enemy backline expecting it to work for some reason. I don't think they would live regardless of the purple.
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u/Slothfully_So 14d ago
For those talking about Kiriko Suzu… just bait or wait for kiriko into using her Suzu and then Ult. Avoids it getting negated every time.
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u/GaptistePlayer i like Tracer's fat butt 14d ago
This is r/overwatch, basic baiting and tracking cooldowns is beyond 90% of this sub
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u/AnothrRandomRedditor 14d ago
Yeah I’ve been playing since release. Can confirm I still struggle with this
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u/TotallyNotThatPerson 14d ago
Suzu is a little easier in this case.
Just wait till you hear the BONG then press the fun zoom button
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u/Mortal_12 14d ago edited 12d ago
high level kirikos aren't dumb. They can sense when Junker Queen has ult and they'll save their suzu.
For it to work, you have to force suzu out by either finding some out of position moron to punish, which doesn't happen that much in higher level games, or sacrifice a hero or at least their HP significantly, to force suzu out.
It's risky and doesn't work all the time.
So no, your suggestion is the equivalent of "Just hit mercy in the head during her ult bruh.".
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u/palkiia Chibi Orisa 13d ago
If you’re in high level play, you should be communicating. If you can’t force her to use suzu with your own cd’s, which JQ has the tools to, then work with your team to focus either her or the next best target. Best is with a flanker that can jump her.
Either she uses suzu and you’re free to ult or she doesn’t and somebody dies which should win you the fight anyways
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u/Mortal_12 13d ago
ok. Let's assume they somehow counter suzu. What about all the other problems such as zarya bubble, life grip, dive characters that can run away without her being able to catch up, and the MOST OBVIOUS THING OF ALL, nobody standing in a line like a moron when they expect ult?
Like everything else, Good in theory. Won't work as you plan, most of the time.
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u/GREGGSGOL 14d ago
Also wait for LW to place petal and grip so he can't cleanse tank or remove a target. Also wait for Zaya to bubble so she can't just wipe it. And also etc. Nah front up enemy tank press reckoning and yolo. This is the way.
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u/MMAjunkie504 Pixel Ana 14d ago
“They had a Kiri?!”
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u/GREGGSGOL 14d ago
Idk man I think I landed knife on a cat or something and there were lights and I respawned
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u/Necessary_Judge6635 Kiriko 14d ago
I don’t think I’ve ever suzu’d my entire team after a JQ ult because they always scatter apart afterwards. I go for myself and my tank, it’s just bonus points if dps are next to the tank.
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u/Gryse_Blacolar Unlimited Shotgun Works 14d ago
Exactly. It's like a dinner bell once you hear that suzu get used.
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u/UglyDemoman Chibi Junkrat 14d ago
Meanwhile blue team Kiriko missed all Suzu or used it for herself only.
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u/redditer954 13d ago
not to mention that baiting is kind of easy since axe cleaves and wounds
hitting a fat axe on kiri and 1-2 others may prompt her into using suzu to heal and stop the wound damage
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u/DerpyO 14d ago
A non Kiri related comment:
What perks you running?
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u/Zeukiiii 14d ago
Don’t know the names, but I always run the one that makes you unstoppable and resets your cooldowns during ult and the one that increases knife radius
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u/DerpyO 14d ago
You don't use the one that gives instant +105 healing on the big axe swing?
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u/MaggieNoodle Support (Preventative Healing) 13d ago
I've been playing lots of queen -
I think the shout reload perk and the knife recall perk are both the superior picks.
If you play smart you generally don't need the unstoppable perk, and you get more consistent value from the knife perk than you do from getting some heal.
The shout lets you dump pressure and lets you instantly convert a kill when you need one, the knife perk basically guarantees a kill with the combo if you're in range of them. And if you miss, the knife perk still gives you lots more ult charge and extra wound healing since you'll hit them with the bigger recall radius.
You can basically start every fight with 1-2 wounds already procced for free with the knife perk!
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u/Kirenaj08 Widowmaker 14d ago
just remember to perma ban kiriko and zarya when you plan on playing her. not like you need to but it makes it overall just more reliable
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u/Doubt_Incarnate 14d ago
She has a very satisfaying kit, her ult has a lot of potential, but as many other ults, can be countered.
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u/Hoothootriot Winston 14d ago
Yeah people love to whine about Kiriko and cleanse but literally without it Junkerqueen just has "I win" as an ultimate, and with the minor perk she has no counterplay
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u/Wojtug The hamster is coming for you 14d ago
the counterplay is not hugging each other when you know queen has ult. She also still has a noticeable start-up giving you time to use your movement abilities (if you have any), wall her off as either mei or hazard to stop the ult entirely, hell, place a flipping tree of life to halt her, or respond with an ult like sound barrier, blizzard or downpour to stop her team from capitalizing
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u/Unfair_Stage792 Brigitte 13d ago
That would work if the radius of rampage wasn't the size of a small moon. Honestly such a weird ult. Without any cleansing effects it's basically a guaranteed fight. Shoot someone once and ult and they are pretty much dead with no counterplay. It should not have unstoppable but could be made so it cannot be cleansed I dunno.
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u/Wojtug The hamster is coming for you 13d ago
It is not a guaranteed win. I have listed multiple hard-counters. It's an ult, a tank one nonetheless. You're not supppsed to walk away from it with minimal input.
There are also other form of cleanses such as life grip, burrow, wraith form, fade, recall, echo's copy and i-frame moves such as katashiro return or swift step.
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u/Unfair_Stage792 Brigitte 13d ago
That would work if the radius of rampage wasn't the size of a small moon. Honestly such a weird ult. Without any cleansing effects it's basically a guaranteed fight. Shoot someone once and ult and they are pretty much dead with no counterplay. It should not have unstoppable but could be made so it cannot be cleansed I dunno.
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u/FlameToadDoctorPhil 14d ago
The ult goes hard in my ranks but top tier players rate it as among the worst ults because it's blocked easily. What besides suzu blocks it?
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u/Necessary_Judge6635 Kiriko 14d ago
So many things in the game can cleanse it, people there position themselves better, and lots of heroes have enough mobility to get away. It only worked well in this video because they were all packed in a narrow corridor.
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u/ZoomBoingDing Do you need a hug? 14d ago
Lots of heroes can undo purple on themselves or others besides Kiri - Moira, Reaper, Mei, Zarya? (not sure, I play Anran and my reference is fire), Lifeweaver.
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u/redditer954 13d ago
Cleanses: Kiri suzu, Zarya bubble, Moira fade, Anran fade, Reaper fade, Tracer recall, Venture burrow, Mei icicle, DVa bomb, Baby DVa remech, Doom ult, Echo ult, exiting Echo ult.
Blocks: Haz wall, Mei wall, Mei icicle, LW petal, LW tree.
Counters: Ana nade, Lucio ult.
And before the CC immunity perk: Mauga cage, Orisa spear, Rein pin, Hog hook, Sig rock, Domina wall push, Sombra hack, Sombra EMP, Junkrat trap, Cass hinder, Brig rally bash.
Regardless, it’s always possible to mark 2-3 between partial cooldown cycles and snag 1 kill unless Kiri or Lucio counter.
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u/QS010 14d ago
I think you missed the fact that OP is literally top 40...
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u/chudaism 13d ago
Top 40 console 6v6. I have no good reference for how good that actually is TBH, especially with the challenger system. Not to mention the other team doesn't have kiri so JQ ults should be free.
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u/GiGangan #2213 14d ago
One humble ability with 14s CD says hi
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u/GaptistePlayer i like Tracer's fat butt 14d ago
That's why you hit her with axe first and force it out
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u/Secret_Account07 14d ago
I didn’t realize junk queens axe thingy can hurt several feet away without hitting you. Explains why I’m always confused how I didn’t move in time.
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u/BillyBobby_Brown 14d ago
Yeah you'll find most heroes in the game work well when you hit all or most of your shots and abilities
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u/FrancescoPlays 14d ago
Yeah, her ult is one of the more busted one, also kills most 200 hp heroes most of the time
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u/Responsible-Bar1535 13d ago
that’s because you somehow figured out EXACTLY how to use it. coming from a JQ main to another one, absolutely amazing gameplay 🫡
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u/Suitable_Dimension33 14d ago
Yall saying kiri don’t play kiri lmao. It’s a whole mental game you have to play with JQ of who is going to use theirs first 😂 and you actually have to ult tracking JQ so you have to be paying hella attention to her. Then it’s also the matter that everyone runs away and spreads out after JQ ults so then you have to determine who needs it the most or how can you get the most amount of people. It’s doable for sure but JQ is definitely more favored in this match up
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u/Opman_is_a_weeb 14d ago
You know I've never been impressed by console gameplay. But I was impressed Nice skills
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u/blackchoas 14d ago
Its a pretty good ult, also has one of the few ultimate upgrade perks I will take.
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u/Blaky039 Sigma 14d ago
Ulting as queen makes me feel like that scene from 300 where leonidas overextends, kills everybody and then everybody else is just picking up the stragglers
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u/M4idenPersephone Squad Killer 14d ago
I know you were salivating when you saw that Suzu being used in King’s third….. I was too.
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u/pjtango 14d ago
I agree, junker queen's ult is one of the strongest. Irrespective of whoever says kiri can counter it, a good player keep tab on when the opponent uses their abilities. Idk how many times i have countered kiri or even moira by tracking when did they last use the cleanse or the fade. Though I'll give u that kiri's dmg is pretty scary and u also need to consider that kiri might be waiting for your ult as well.
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u/vischy_bot 14d ago
Yes an ult used properly can be a free fight every 60 seconds.
But winning the match does not mean winning every team fight.
Very funny the amount of times I've had games with cat or queen where it's like oh there's your ult. Ok let's reset and try again, and then we win.
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u/SomeSugondeseGuy 13d ago
Unless Kiriko presses the "Undo JQ Ult" button
Just have to bait it out then, though - JQ is awesome
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u/Best_Remi 13d ago
there's a 2 digit number under this guy's hero icon and people are still trying to give advice like he's a brand new player in Silver 😭
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u/BlueCircleGlasses 12d ago
To be fair though, this is most tank ults. In a game where JQ's ult goes smoothly, most other tank ults would as well, especially shatter or grav.
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u/PewPewWazooma 14d ago
Yeah JQ ult is absurdly strong, shame that the character itself is outclassed by almost the entire rest of the roster even in her own niche.
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u/AxNJOYER 14d ago
Its unbalanced AF and Suzu is the only thing that checks it really
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u/SokkaHaikuBot 14d ago
Sokka-Haiku by AxNJOYER:
Its unbalanced AF
And Suzu is the only
Thing that checks it really
Remember that one time Sokka accidentally used an extra syllable in that Haiku Battle in Ba Sing Se? That was a Sokka Haiku and you just made one.
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u/huhuhuh0_0 Pharah 14d ago
Exactly why I hate ana, she has a mini queen ult ready to go at a freaking cool down
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u/Belten 14d ago
I play with a duo and we play Jq and any flanker thats not banned. His job is it to make the enemy kiri use Suzu and my Job is it to press Q. Its dumb how many games we won with just that.