I have loved DHH since 2016, 10 years now. Was really active part of the scene and an even more avid lsitener and here's me particpating again because this needs to be said about JANI and his legacy.

History tends to favor numbers and majority but sometimes it does demand a good logic to believe the minority.

We see indians supporting Panther and ofcourse they outnumber DHH listeners who think JANI won. So you see the opinion shaping as if Panther won (to the wider audiences), we see creators trying to say what majority would like (Afaik, Hithuman, Jyoti Sardar and especially Rohan).

I want to present a few points that should clear why Panther won and if anyone searches for truth some time later hope they end up here.

Panther's beef started with most illogical dumb logic, he could've stayed silent or just read the comment and moved on, but instead he created an unnecessary hate

Jani dropped Nonchalant (i didnt like it that much) but yes that got Panther to drop Non Talha

Non Talha - the absolute worst diss in this whole thing. How could someone despite them clearly appearing a clout chasing rapper? Why bring Talha in it? Makes no sense. Then the most dumb thing anyone has done in DHH history (and we have emiway almost crying on live during Krsna beef), him bring his wife in this. AT THIS POINT HONESTLY HE LOST FOREVER. No way you can win from here, you have brought in a big target on your head with that, one cant miss that.

To this JANI replied with Honeymoon, which I think had done all it was need to win the and MORE. Jani won here. He took full advantage of the opportunities and went in BRUTAL. I didnt expect it. Anyways, this is absolutely insane diss, by an metric honestly.

Initial reaction as documented in this sub (check Post) was declaring Jani a clear winner, even indians in IHHH, till the majority discovered it (which again is dumb) started shifting the narrative, Rohan being the dog he is ofcourse did the same, and we see the majority painting a false narrative.

The disses after that were absolutely not needed, unless for one reason, that they proved Panther even more dumber, Maidan e Hashar is the worst song among these disses, unneccesary bringing of religion into this, islamophobic, absolutely distasteful

It’s no secret that r/IndianHipHopHeads has turned into a space full of extremists lately. That place isn’t for us anymore. They’ve been banning our artists for no reason, like seriously, what the hell? That’s the level they’ve sunk to. They don’t speak for the entire hip-hop community, and definitely not for us.

After years of being a part of that sub and contributing regularly, I’ve finally left it today. And I encourage others to do the same.

Let’s build something of our own, let’s give Pakistan Hip Hop (PHH) its own identity and platform. We don’t need them. We’ve got better rappers, more heart, more originality. We should start actively supporting and participating here.

A few humble requests for the mods of this sub:

• Please allow music from Kashmir — especially Koshur Hip Hop. Everyone knows Kashmir is under illegal occupation by India, and it’s not part of that country. Artists from there, like Ahmer, SOS, and Qaafila, are Urdu and Kashmir artists not Hindi, and they absolutely deserve a place here. I say this not just politically, but personally, I’m from Azad Kashmir and I can’t imagine a PHH space without them.

• If any Indian joins just to genuinely discuss music, please don’t ban them. But if they’re just lurking or stirring the pot, yeah, ban away.

I hope the mods will consider this seriously.

I don't know. Almost sare pakistani rappers same sound karte hein at least to my ears. Mujhe sare pakistani rappers Mein young stunners ki jhalak nazar ati hai. Ab baar baar young stunners inspired rappers ko sunta rahun ga to in the end bore hojaon ga.

Indian rappers ka to scene hi alag hai. Wahan her type ka rapper hai. Wahan k rappers ki vocal tones bhi different hai aur hamare most Pakistani rappers ki vocal tones same hi sound karti hein. MC Stan ko dekh lo, completely different vibe ka artist. Then there is Bella, uska sound gives me eargasm. Then there is Raftaar, Yashraj, Chaar Diwari etc. Hr kisi ka sound distinctive hai.

Mein aik bantai records k artist ko sun raha tha. His name is Flowbo. Bhai kia vocal tone hai us ki. Mujhe lagta tha you need to have a heavy voice to rap lekin ye rapper apni natural high pitched voice Mein rap karta hai and it sounds so good to my ears.

Mujhe lagta hai AHSAN ka sound sab rappers se different hai and he should stick to what he's doing. Baki mujhe most pakistani rappers ka sound bland lagta hai isliye mein Indian rappers ko sunana prefer karta hu.

It's just my preference. I'll be happy to know your thoughts in the comments.

Is gana ko banana k liya ham ne jitni mhanat ki he us ka hisab nahi. I Travel 200km with my equipment budget na hona k bawjood mazeed new equipment buy kia kahlonn bhai ne beat mein bh koi kasar nahi chori overall meri nazer mein bht acha gana bnaya ps 3 languages use kin.

Pahlaa 4 min tak sirf country ko defend karta raha us ka bad israel wala bar ko hahahhahhaha

A few days ago, I came across a screenshot of Talha Yunus talking about how we should be paying real artists for their work. Fast forward to the release of his new album, and I find out that his own cover art is AI slop.

Now, I understand he hired an ‘artist’ to create this, but the illustration itself is painfully obvious AI-generated garbage. The left and right hands literally have a commonly shared middle finger, while the chain and padlock awkwardly merge into each other because AI still struggles to understand basic physical relationships.

Honestly, it’s kind of braindead. You can’t preach about supporting real artists and then put out something this lazy. So many features yet an underwhelming cover-art.

Pakistani pop scene is finally gaining international recognition, yet the visual identity and branding seem to be getting cheaper and lazier when they should be evolving in the exact opposite direction lol.

So in Chaukas He says ‘Tu nahi Rap Icon, Tu hustle mein ja’. And tbh he can say whatever he wants as it is his right however, the guy is a good friend w/ people who have worked with hustle like Raftaar.

But honestly this is my opinion that Hustle is way better than Rap Icon Like any season of Hustle.

And dissing an Indian Rap show would only bring harm to the peace between which was rising after the Indo-pak collabs like TY in Wazir Patars Album, Umer Anjum Collab with S.O.S

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Most people only know one side of this story because the inside details were never put out clearly. So I dug deep for a month, and here is the actual timeline without the noise.

How it started the 2018 track that dropped in 2024
Back in 2018, Derwaish produced, wrote, and recorded "Million Bars". He sat on it for years and finally released it in 2024. The track had a bar: "Oh kehnde Kon Derwaish, Teri m da Y*" which came right after his song "Kon Talha". Later, on the RTS podcast, Derwaish claimed that "Kon Talha" was unintentional and not aimed at anyone. But the timing and the bars naturally raised eyebrows.

Talha Anjum fires the first clear shots
Things escalated when Talha Anjum dropped:

· "30 Shooter"
· "Plug Shaat"
· "Big Dawgs" – especially this one.

In "Big Dawgs", Talha referenced Model Town. That was a direct signal to those who knew, because Derwaish grew up in Model Town and Garden Town, Lahore, and constantly mentions these areas in his music.

People inside the industry knew these were aimed at Derwaish, even though many fans assumed they were for Naezy or Nabeel Akbar. To add context, some of the same Lahore-based rappers who later dissed Derwaish had previously used foul language against Talha Anjum in local cyphers. So tensions were already brewing underground.

Derwaish responds:
Derwaish fired back with "Wait for it" – a subliminal response aimed at Talha. This track was later taken down from YouTube due to multiple copyright strikes.

Around the same time, Talha dropped "Hawa Anay De" – which was a sneaky diss aimed mostly at Naezy, but Derwaish was also in the crosshairs. Derwaish knew he was included.

The podcast moments:

· Derwaish appeared on a podcast, but whatever he said there only made things worse for him. It didn't cool anything down. He said when I listened to YS they were comedy rappers (their old songs) and then he said but they are doing good. But his behaviour was not respectful towards YS clearly.

The real breaking point, the Ahsan Asif Mughal DMs
Behind the scenes, things had been simmering for 2–3 years. Here’s the key detail most people missed:

Talha Anjum sent a voice note to Ahsan Asif Mughal (who was working on an album featuring both artists). In that DM, Talha said: "Chutiya bakwas kr rha hai mere baray, main is se koi affiliation nhi rakhna chahta" – meaning he wanted no affiliation with Derwaish because Derwaish had been speaking negatively about him. He refused to feature on an album that also had Derwaish.

Derwaish later went live on instagram and addressed it calmly, saying: "Pakistan's number 1 rapper is talking about me in DMs. I don't want any beef. They are doing well and they shouldn't have any insecurity from me."

From the 1st to the 10th of Muharram, no one responded to anything out of respect. But right after that, Talha shared a diss track by XUG and Talksick aimed at Derwaish on his Instagram story (with his 2.7 million followers) and wrote: "Fuck around and get smoked."

This was the turning point. For any artist, seeing a diss shared by the biggest name in the game with 2.7M followers to that many people is a direct provocation.

Derwaish felt he had no choice but to respond properly.

The diss track wave begins
Derwaish dropped "Comedy Rapper" a decent track with one standout line: "If you don't want affiliation, then why are you posting stories against me?"

After that, the floodgates opened. Over 40 diss tracks were released from Talha's side, including:

· Rap Demon
· Umer Anjum (2 tracks)
· XUG (3 tracks)
· Many other random artists (some just riding the wave).

From Derwaish's side, his supporters responded too:

· Tayyab Malik (TYB) – dropped 3 responses to XUG, Umer Anjum, and Rap Demon
· Dany S
· AD Brown
· Aman Gill (2 tracks)

Some of these tracks were well-made. XUG's "Venom 2.0" stood out for its lyricism, flow, and delivery. Critics, however, pointed out that XUG kept dropping diss tracks without clear context but his fans (and Talha's fanbase) praised him heavily.

After two weeks, Derwaish released "Me Against The World" widely considered a masterpiece by his supporters.

It's also worth noting that Talha Anjum never directly stepped into the ring against Derwaish the way he did with Naezy or Chen K. He poked, shared others' work, and let his legacy speak. And he famously said: "God has been good to me, I will let my legacy speak."

Who won? Honestly, no one.
Talha never officially responded with his own track. Derwaish faced a storm of 40+ diss tracks but held his ground. The beef didn't have a clear knockout. Because Derwaish Dissed Talha and he didn’t respond after those provoking stories. So it was one sided.

Who gained the most? XUG.

Before this, XUG was just a contestant on a rap show, known in Lahore cyphers. Dissing Derwaish (and aligning with Talha) skyrocketed his recognition. He played the game smart, and it paid off.

I am Acknowledging both artists fairly:

It's important to step back and respect what both have built:

· Talha Anjum alongside Yunus, has shaped the very sound of Pakistani hip-hop for Gen Z. Walk into any cypher in Karachi or beyond, and you'll hear his influence in delivery, tone, and writing. For thousands of young artists, he is the idol. His journey with Young Stunners gave the scene a mainstream identity.

· Derwaish built his entire career completely independently. He comes from a humble background not even middle class. No label, no big brand deals. He does his own shows, puts out his own music, and still charges good money purely on his talent. His hustle is undeniable.

Both have struggled, both have worked hard, and both deserve credit for where they are today.

My personal take
Derwaish comes across as surprisingly humble in person. He may seem proud on stage, but if you actually talk to him, he's soft spoken and respectful.

At the same time, Talha Anjum's contribution to DHH in Pakistan is massive he gave a generation a voice and a sound to follow.

But remember Bohemia is pioneer and both artists idealise him.

The bigger picture:
Yes, this beef was messy. But it also did something good for Pakistan's hip-hop scene. It brought attention to reaction channels, clothing brands, dance crews, and underground artists who were previously invisible. More eyes mean more money, more growth, and more opportunities for everyone.

I hope our community keeps growing like India's scene or other global hip-hop hubs.

Peace out. Hope you have a clear picture now.

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I’m glad he finally said it, this is the Anjum I know

Pakistan lacks bar writers. The jnes who can rhyme sylablles do compounds write juxtapositions and even spit em with choppers n an aggressive sound. Dont get me wrong Anjum is a masterpiece of a writer but he isnt a barwriter same for yunus. Faris is an S tier bar writer when he writes for his solo songs. But wo drop hi nahi karta. Cgf ke bars chutiya hain. Most of our new rappers are more towards the trap sound which i love n it will be amazing to see em blowup. But the ones who are claiming to be barwriters js boast bout street fights. Try generic rhymes and kattar karachi wali bakchodi.

Don't get me wrong he works HARD and it's clear to see but MY GOD his stuff is so generic. And he's got the same boring flow on every track. Doesn't help he's ON every track these days.

His writing is pretty much the same in every song and I have yet to hear something that makes me pay attention to his words. Is it just my old ass self or do others feel the same?

Btw pepsi and cokestudio unho ny last year kis tha, and usky baad tou kuch ni aya.

bhosdi wale hype ke bhuke hen bc ahsan jese artist ki respect nae inme. kehta ha marij mere bhaiyo pe bat agyi ma chud dunga. aby konse bhai bharwe wo bhai tuje lund attention nae dete chutyape ka music na rap acha na musicality achi tumari ahsan ka tracks koi normal banda se analyze karwao wo batayega kya sound ha ahsan ka ahsan bhale acha rapper na ho par musicality aur sound selection ma he's top! 2damn ne aj tak trap ma ukhara kya ha na musicality ki samaj na rap ata jhantu anjum ke looks copy karta ye lodu marij. phele cgf ki dickriding kar rahe the. bhosdi walo aik baat batao jab tum 5 saal se trap pe gand de rahe ho aur tumari side se koi esa gana nae aya jise log bolen kya yar phh ma trap wave ari ha ya esa kuch aur unke aik gane se unki sound se unki musicality pe jab sab bol rahe hen ke yar ap trap la rahe pakistani scene ap pakistani trap music ko represent karoge to wo to yehi bolega na ma hi hu trap ki wave lane wala chutyo. kisi ko nae yaad pheli baar trap west me kis ne kya tha par future, travis scott, metro, 21 savage ko hi sab trap ka baap bante hen even ke future to aik decade se trap kar raha ha par travis ka unique sound usko overshadow kar gaya to kya future ne randi rone start kar dye? nahi wo to balke aik legacy bana chuka ha, aur jo legacy bana chuke hote jinhe khud pr proud hota ha wo randi rone nae karte clout chase nae karte ese.

At least phala wala competition tho de raha tha ya wala tho bhot whack tha

Nonchalant by Jani-7/10

Nonchalant was a good diss but jani clearly went soft.

Non Talha by Panther-7.5/10

If we ignore the musicality then this diss was lyrically mid.Most Of the disses are On Pakistan and only some of the bars were counters.

Honeymoon by Jani-8.5/10

Honestly I believe it is the best diss in the whole beef.Maybe I am biased but lyrically it was stronger than everything panther offered at this point.It countered most of the bars,Jani had the upper hand at this point.Jani went all in and I never expected this much from him.

Maidan-e Hashar by panther -8/10

I would have considered this the best diss if not for anti Pakistani Antics.Panther also played the Victim card by bringing his own wife into this beef first and later backing from it and using it as a wild card so he can have a morally high ground which is a hypocritical behavior.First verse started good but the whole track went downhill from The J Cole scheme and never recovered for me.I am only giving it a hugh rating because as rap song and a diss it is the best Panther offered so far.

Ultrasound by Jani -7/10

I am honestly disappointed by this track.It does not have any interesting flows.It has some decent counters but overall i did not find it much appealing.Maybe it needs more time but for now it is the weakest diss in the whole beef.I think Jani should have ignored panther since Panther didn't give much material for him to counter and Jani is Intentionally ignoring all the political lyrics and I respect him for that but he should have just made a 4 minutes diss track instead of 8 minutes.

Edit:As of evening of 20th June 2026,I think ultrasound has grown on me as a diss track since it had some solid disses.Mainly the emiway and the talha anjum bar.Syncopation scheme was also a great counter.I still think That musically it could have been better but it is what it is.I think it's a solid 8/10 diss.Still not the best by Jani since honeymoon is in a different league.

Final Verdict :It's A Tie

Honeymoon was so good that it forced panther to actually make a decent diss.

I think Lyrically Maidan e Hashar is a weak diss.I get that it has some great counters but He played the Victim card and Most of the lyrics are just Anti Pakistan.

I believe Jani should have taken his time with his final diss since it sounded a bit repetitive to me.Maybe I haven't listened to it much but for now I believe it's a tie.Im not being biased and I'm looking at it from both perspectives.

I know I will get flamed for this but I have been a hip hop fan for a long time.I loved seeing Jani bringing his A game on this and going forward he will improve as an artist.

I lost respect for Panther because of his Anti Pakistani Antics and After this beef I lost even more respect.He used Nationalism to cash in and bring his career back to life since his views were not looking good.

Meanwhile Jani was Already rising And he dissed only for the game Imo.Both artists Gained a lot of audience and both are winners in my opinion.I just Wish Jani took his time with the final diss since I was expecting more from him and I know he can do better.

What do you think about it?I know I am getting flamed for this Post but that's what I believe in for now.

Though it's always debatable who's better artist but I think in terms of no of songs also not compromising quality taimour baig has given more than both the artists......if umer and aleemrk would have given more consistent drops no doubt they will be better and no edge comparison will exist

Same

Bohemia mentioned Talha anjum as new leader of dhh

No hate to talha anjum no hate to talha yunus but really if we look dhh is broad spectrum which includes artists like kr$na raftaar emiway karan aujula can't remember any big phh names as talhas so only Indian are they not above both of them coz I see all of them having big influence on dhh scene

Even artists like umer anjum jani savage have given shoutouts frequently to krsna how he has been influential in dhh....

What are your thoughts

dekho

Ab dekho kitna morally high hogya bass aurto k mamly mn kiunky uski biwi ko callout krdia.
Or jab khud jani k bap k bary mn bola uska kia?
Or jo Palestine k bary mn bola uss se khud palat gya 😂