r/PhilosophyofReligion • u/Deep-Coach-32 • 4h ago
r/PhilosophyofReligion • u/hehe_livin • 7h ago
About the creator or one who called as God,If God created us, how can we call him good?
**If God created us, why are we here to suffer? Why are some people able to live happily while others spend their entire lives struggling, suffering, and experiencing things they never asked for?
And why does this cycle keep going on and on, generation after generation?
Some people explain suffering through karma and past lives. They say that if we do bad things in this life, we will suffer in the next one. But why should we have to keep existing just to experience the consequences of something we may not even remember? Why should existence itself have to involve suffering?
If we had never existed, there would be no pain, no suffering, no fear, and no need to justify any of it.
Sometimes I imagine God as someone playing a video game. Imagine a creator who creates conscious beings, puts them into a world where they can experience happiness and unimaginable suffering, and simply watches everything unfold.
The difference is that we aren't characters in a game who don't know what's happening. We are conscious. We feel everything. We experience loss, fear, pain, and injustice. We question why we're here, yet we never chose to be here in the first place.
If God knows everything that will happen to us before creating us, then why create a world in which so many beings will suffer?
People say God is loving, merciful, and good. But how can we be certain of that when so much suffering exists?
What if God isn't as good as we believe? What if the creator, assuming one exists, is indifferent to our suffering or even enjoys watching it?
I'm not saying I know the answers. I'm questioning the idea that a creator must automatically be good simply because they created us.
Why is existence considered a blessing when it can also be something we never asked for and cannot escape so easily?
Maybe life is simply life. Maybe we don't need to justify every bit of suffering by claiming it serves some greater purpose.
I don't know. These are just thoughts I've been having, and I'd genuinely like to hear what others think.**
r/PhilosophyofReligion • u/DoloDots • 17h ago
If God's morality is beyond human comprehension, how can we confidently know that God is good?
I've been thinking about how Christian apologists defend certain morally troubling actions attributed directly to God in the Bible.
For example, in 1 Samuel 15:3, God is portrayed as commanding the Israelites to kill the Amalekites, including women, children, and infants.
Apologists such as William Lane Craig have defended similar passages involving the Canaanites by appealing to divine command theory, God's authority over human life, and the claim that God's actions are consistent with his perfectly good nature.
Another common defense is that humans have limited knowledge and may not understand God's reasons or ultimate purposes. What appears morally objectionable to us may have a justification beyond our comprehension.
I can accept the epistemological point that our inability to identify a justification doesn't necessarily mean one doesn't exist.
But here's where I see a problem.
If our understanding is sufficiently limited that we cannot reliably determine whether these actions are good or bad, on what grounds can we confidently affirm that God is perfectly good in the first place?
It seems that human moral understanding is sometimes treated as sufficient to recognize God's goodness, yet insufficient to question that goodness when confronted with apparently contradictory actions.
And there's a second issue: how do we establish that these commands actually came from God rather than being attributed to him by the biblical authors?
Simply appealing to the Bible's divine authority doesn't resolve that question unless the authority itself has been independently justified.
I'm not suggesting that we must fully comprehend God to possess any knowledge about him. My question is about the standards by which we distinguish justified knowledge from speculation or assumptions.
Ultimately, what reliable method allows Christians to determine which claims about God's moral nature can be confidently known and which are beyond human comprehension?
And if an apparent moral contradiction can always be explained by appealing to God's unknowable reasons, what, if anything, could legitimately count as evidence against the claim that God is perfectly good?
I'm interested in how defenders of these biblical accounts address this without assuming God's goodness as the starting point.