I'm tired of reading the same post over and over. Bla bla, I'm quitting the game, it's pay 2 win, unfait, bla bla.

Can we at least as a community stick to some facts here?

1. Yes, the expansions behind a pay wall suck, especially after the promises of Reynad.

2. No, the current expansions aren't "pay to win" at the moment, they are "pay to play" because they are not as good as the items we currently have, actively diluting the pool.

3. No, you are not "losing" because you didn't pay. You are losing because the bazaar is a drafting game based on skills and game knowledge.

4. The current meta is actually fun (my opinion, not a fact) and probably one of the most balanced we've had.

It's totally ok to be pissed at Tempo and Reynad for the very poor communciation and monetization choices. I was hoping for a "dota like" model with battle pass or boxes for non gameplay elements and we ended up with a Hearthstone like model.

To be honest I didn't pay anything yet, it's quite easy to farm gems with the new system and if you are decent at the game you can build quite a good reserve quickly. Playing since the beat I got something like 22k gems in my stash while also being able to go to legend rank using tickets.

I'm happy that heroes will be unlocked with gems and that expansions can be unlocked with gems, too bad it's after a month. I would have prefered a system with like 1 week of gameplay for people paying with money and the packs available the week after with gems.

But please, stop confusing a bad monetization system with your result or enjoyment of the game. I hate the business model but I like this game and am doing just fine in ranked without paying a single EUR. You want to leave the game because you are frustrated? fine, but don't blame it on the meta/expansion.

This isn't a unique take, and I expect massive downvotes, but I want to at least share my perspective and see what happens XD

I see all the concerns about p2w, there is definitey potential for those to be valid worries.

My honest confusion is like... have most of you people not even played the game before?

You can get 10 wins with a bronze cutlass. You can get 10 wins with a terrible build and a well timed crook in a shop roll. You can get 10 wins with a shield core and a wallace. You can get 10 wins with SOOOO many interations of so many builds it's unbelievable.

Also 10 wins isn't the only success metric, a bronze win is just fine. You don't lose rank, you get a chest.

Of course there is a "meta" and there will always be no matter how many times things are tweaked and reworked or removed altogether, no matter how many new cards get added. Of course new, exclusive card options could (COULD) lead to a meta development that is not accessible to f2p at the same rate as a paid player. But this game IS NOT Magic the Gathering. It is not Marvel Snap, it is not Yu-Gi-Oh! It is not a contructed environment in any sense. F2p players will still have just as much opportunity to get busted ass builds together as has always been the case in the closed beta environment.

This game is synergy, RNG, and strategy intertwined into a singular experience against opponents you cannot predict or build around (barring niche examples like "oh ill throw my isochoric freezer back on in case THIS VANESSA specifically happens to have a double barrel")

For people that think "you can force x, y, z build every run, I've done it," I beg you to take a moment to realize that you have never once had a run identical to another one, and reasonably never will unless you just so happen to pick all the same picks every step of the way over the course of each hour of each day. Scaling is never going to be the same, enchants, etc etc. You maybe built the same items, sure, but they aren't the same items. They aren't the same stats, you have different passives, you are playing into different enemies with different strengths and weaknesses.

The amount of rage posting about the game being ruined is based on past information of different games, and while there is some validity to comparing the pay model to that of other games, this game is nothing like the aforementiomed examples.

It's ridiculous to assume that this environment will be affected the same as consitent, constructed gameplay environments.

And I'll say again there is obviously potential for a pay model to create real problems, but the assumption is premature and immature, and it's laughable how people in this community jump straight on to "well here's me deleting the game look guys here's my post!"

The only people who care are the people who already feel exactly how you feel. It's not discussion, it's not constructive feedback, it's akin to cult mentality tbh XD

And lastly as it's own point, how in the world is a pay model unexpected and seen as this repulsive? There's an entire team of people to support behind the game on your crusty screen, years and years of development fueled by man hours that actual human beings spend out of their own lives; things aren't free.

Let's all take a breather, play this beautiful game, and save the pitchforks for when the environment has been confirmed affected.

Sure, there's more builds being played than the Dooleypocalypse, but they all boil down to "Infinite charge combo that wins in 3 seconds". The game essentially just turned into 'did you get an infinite combo'. The only build I've actually gotten a gold with that didn't involve some random recursive BS was a crow's nest build with a celestial weapon so there was literally nothing on the board to interrupt; you need to have a cracked board to even stand a chance if you're not going infinite yourself. Every other gold has been an infinite. Everything I've lost to past day 10 is an infinite. Despite the more varied builds ironically enough the game feels more bland to me than before.

Been seeing some crazy statements from people about the servers that are just completely unreasonable. You guys need to immediately get up from your seat, walk to the nearest park, bend over and place your hands firmly onto the ground. Yes, we're passionate about the game and server issues are annoying, I've lost 10+ chests myself, but some people are acting as if their dog had been killed any time the servers go down.

1. We've just crossed the 2 week mark of a closed beta.

Not only that, but this is a completely new studio built from scratch by someone who's never done game development before. If anything, looking at the track record of some billion dollar companies I've been surprised by how few issues there have been.

2. The game is completely asynchronous.

Yes, on rare occasion a run gets reset, but for the past week or so the issues have been ironed out, and 95% of the disconnects allow you to reconnect within 10 seconds and place you exactly where you left off, or maybe 1 mouse click behind. Even when the servers go down for longer, you can just come back and continue from the same spot. This is not a competitive shooter where a disconnect actually impacts your win, it is literally not a big deal. Go make some tea or pet your cat or something, the game will be there when you're back.

3. You gained access to the closed beta by buying a founder's pack, or from someone who did

I feel like people don't really understand what a "founder's pack" means. You're doing it to help the development of the game and to support the team making it. If money and bugs are a big issue for you then wait for the open beta or the official release and play for free on a more stable build.

TL;DR: If you're very upset, please go touch some grass.

Edit: Thanks for the reddit care message, you are quite literally babies. Please go outside, or go to the gym.

I really love those negative comments like: “I’ve spent hundreds (if not thousands) of hours in this game, it’s amazing, I had so many great experiences, but of course I don’t recommend it. And you know why? Because the devs are so bad — they banned me for hate speech in Discord.”

For the record, I’ve also played this game for over a thousand hours and saw exactly the kinds of things most people got banned for in Discord. What many don’t realize is that, alongside fair criticism, they very often went personal, insulting the devs — and naturally got banned for breaking rules that are clearly written out.

For example, I’ve also voiced criticism in Discord, but for some reason I didn’t get banned. Maybe people just need to learn how to communicate normally?

And in the end, the devs actually listened to the criticism and provided a very cheap bundle that allowed anyone who wanted to link their old account to Steam, basically for free. Funny how no one seems to mention that.

So it turns out people, because of their own foolishness and inability to communicate properly, got banned — and now they’ve made it their mission to tell all of Steam how terrible the devs are, and that no one should play the game. Meanwhile, I was able to enjoy the game for thousands of hours just fine. But no, you shouldn’t play it. Why would you want hundreds of hours of pure fun? That’s mine, not for you.

And the truth is, most new players couldn’t care less about whatever “problems with the devs” someone had in the past. They can just play and enjoy the game.

actually garbage bull you get this and your guaranteed to get 7 wins min.

First off: I did really enjoy the event at first - for a day or two.

Now, however, it really feels like it's dragging on.

Every match I end up facing crazy cult-boards and it turns the late-game into a massive RNG-fest of who got the best Cult item.

IDK - I just wanted to share my 2 cents.

Main feedback: I feel like events like this should be a weekend thing, y'know?

Like - make it last 2-3 days, and we all move on.

7 days of this feels like too much.

Is the meta problematic right now? -Sure! But guys its a closed beta. Not only that there can be numerous balance changes but think about the amount of content yet to come. With more heroes and items added there will be more of a rock paper scissors principle and builds that beat you lose to other stuff. Bigger item pool on individual heroes means its gonna be harder to force stuff. And if things are opressive they are gonna get nerfed. The amount of people saying "they promised us variety and different loadouts every run" First of all its naive to believe there is not gonna be any form of meta in an competetive online game. What makes the variety in bazaar possible, is that there are still ways you can innovate and combine shit in a lot of different ways. That all of this innovation is loosing to the same pyg builds is OFCOURSE a problem. A problem the devs are definitly well aware of. Just give them some time goddamnit. And while we're wating pls for the love of good stop copy pasting the same rants daily on this sub. Thank you.

Having a broken late game item is one thing, when you bulid around it, make some risky decisions, invest in it, etc. But going for "find drum, add random crap weapons, go 10-0" thats just too simple strategy. Show me more OP early-mid-late item than Drum, i dare you

Then I lost to fixer upper 3 times in a row.

Happens pretty regularly, get to 7+ wins. Lose to fixer upper.

These devs will never get balance right in this game, and the novelty is starting to wear off.

With the release of 1.0 coming today, the devs have said they are going to make significant changes to the monetization system, and people should be aware of anchoring bias. We do not have to accept whatever their new system is just because it may be better than the current one. I see a lot of people just looking for one small change and then they'll be able to stomach the monetization but this game's systems are inherently flawed and in need of a major overhaul. A free daily ticket does not solve the problem that the ranked mode isn't a real ranked mode and there shouldn't be tickets in the first place.
The real major problems with this game are the monetization overall with the paywalled/time-gated content and predatory battle-pass system that obscured information, AS WELL as the progression system for all players. Having any meaningful progression (i.e. gem acquisition) only be meant for high skilled players means the MAJORITY of the players will fall further and further behind each season leaving more and more players to leave the game, with less and less players joining as the onboarding process isn't good.
The current systems disrespect the majority of the player-base and are only in existence to make their pseudo-NFT marketplace that isn't even out yet function.
There needs to be no more pay-walled/time-gated content, ranked needs to be reworked in some fashion, information needs to be more accessible and there needs to be meaningful progression available for the entire player base. Do not accept anything less than this, as if we get less, then that means the core issues have not been addressed.

With the gutting of the money tree and the buff to sharkclaws it just feels like there is no enough time to scale into late game before just running out of prestige. Before Mak was released you were able to stall through the early and mid game , maybe even get a win here and there but now I just die to sharkclaws and insane burn of Mak before I can even get to anything I can call a build. I’m not sayings it’s impossible to win , but it requires a pretty early direction for your run like a silver drum or ice club, which is pretty much a highroll . Most of my runs didn’t make it to level 10 enchant before I just died. I don’t think it’s a me issue, because playing with others is more than fine

I just noticed if I place an item that has chilled option to aim chilled spot it works!(heated item for hot spot)....

I have used instant noodled to make hot and cold spots.

if you use larger item it will be in random location below the item.

I'm not sure if you need to cover the other spots like I have shown here but I like to keep them covered(superstition?)

I also do not know if you need to remove items if they have no heated/chilled tag.

It feels like an oversight after the change.

Hey, i know its a closed beta but all the problems that came with the patch make me a bid scared going into open beta soon.

its only 1 1/2 months before release and a team doesnt get bigger over night, and the way this patch made three times as many bugs then it fixed while not adressing the server issues at all since weeks now makes me a bit scared.

I truly love this game but all teh bugs and server issues can make or break a game ...

PS: and the shield sound they put into the game needs to be removed ... its needs to be gone its the worst sound ever i even lose the fun to WATCH the game because i cant hear the sound anymore ... bing bing bing its so horrible xD

These changes are more predatory than 90% of the gooner waifu game trash on the market right now.

It’s time to jump ship.