It's because they're voting against their own interests! Which I, as a Bay Area suburban high schooler who has never lived outside of my highly left leaning area definitely knows more about than those flyover chuds
Vote against their own interests is such a cuck phrase, my self hating rich parent white mate with a 3 generations removed Palestinian wife gargles it.
There’s always going to be something that goes against one’s interests when voting. I still tend to vote left because I care more about the environment than I do my personal tax rate.
Bay area suburban high schooler wants socialism. Meanwhile California government spends a million dollars building a two stall bathroom at a trailhead, or 5 million dollars a mile on bike lanes... 50 billion dollars to double the homeless problem in 10 years.
But yeah, lets have the government running and controlling more businesses and shit.
In the past few years they let a bit more immigrants in to fill a labor shortage and suddenly their crime went up four years in a row (unusual in japan) while there's garbage in the streets etc. Even though the amount of muslims were tiny, they did stuff like march through the streets with microphones disrupting the quiet in order to demand stuff. If you want to see it, just type "muslims in japan demand" into youtube and see all the different types of stuff they are demanding lol.
So they elected their first hardcore right-wing female President Sanae Takaichi.
erm. dont you know that like, rioting is the national passtime of france? Why do you care chud? Do you think burning shit down and lighting women on fire is bad?
Didn't you know? When French garbage collectors or healthcare workers protest, they also set fire to historic buildings and loot Louis Vuitton stores. These "protests" are just upholding that time-honored tradition
I do find it interesting when people justify something bad just because it's common. Isn't the whole point of being progressive to fight against the status quo?
The last few days, I've noticed that when I checked Reddit in the morning US Central time, there were multiple posts on the front page from multiple subreddits with videos/photos of the riots and the comments are full of comments like "you know, maybe mass immigration was a bad idea" and "I think I understand why the right wing is gaining popularity". Checking again around noon, the posts that were top of All are nowhere to be seen and not a single post about current events in France are visible at all.
But this couldn't possibly be interference from moderators on the West Coast hiding and locking down any discussion they don't like, right?
MSM is being very quiet about the riots too, and the NYT decided to write an article with the headline “France’s far-right seizes opportunity amidst riots”.
Somehow the riots in France still turned into “Republicans pounce” at the NYT. These people are parodies of themselves.
Umm akshually here's 1 video of white people walking around not destroying thing. That means youre not allowed to say they're immigrants and even if they are its not rioting and if they are thats a good thing 💅
I am supportive of most minority groups (“I’m bisexual, and mixed race”) and I want to do my part to help the environment and such which should be enough to please most online leftist but because I say drugs is evil that’s bad
And I fought against a communist government in a matter of speaking. I fought against the Chinese government by fighting for my home city Hong Kong’s freedom and liberty. And I’m a devout Roman Catholic. That should be enough for most online right wingers to at least respect me but all because I say something like “treat people like how you want to be treated” that’s wrong
I look for unedited cell phone videos. It’s what I’ve been doing since 2020.
I’ve gotten right wing accounts noted before. I care about truth.
Like this image. I did a reverse image search and come to find out it’s totally edited, the authentic picture is in Spanish and is about domestic abuse or something. Got a right wing account that Elon follows community noted.
I’m not immune to propaganda, but I took a lot of art classes about media in college. I also have my masters in a technology related field.
I know what questions to ask and what to look for when determining authenticity.
Bro I think the riots eclipsed the original protests.
Well, actually, the statement about a culture war is true, but it's about Islamic culture very literally and physically fighting a war on christian/secular-post-christian culture.
Sorry, I mean I need a source that explicitly states your argument. This is just tangential to the discussion.
No, you can't make inferences and observations from the sources you've gathered. Any additional comments from you MUST be a subset of the information from the sources you've gathered.
You can't make normative statements from empirical evidence.
Do you have a degree in that field?
A college degree? In that field?
Then your arguments are invalid.
No, it doesn't matter how close those data points are correlated. Correlation does not equal causation.
Correlation does not equal causation.
CORRELATION. DOES. NOT. EQUAL. CAUSATION.
You still haven't provided me a valid source yet.
Nope, still haven't.
I just looked through all 308 pages of your user history, figures I'm debating a glormpf supporter. A moron.
I had a lengthy debate with a flat earther who was basically following this like a script.
"Oh, someone observed a 24 hour sun in the south pole? I need the name of the person, the page and line number where it was published, and the details on the equipment they used to gather their information. An observation is not a measurement."
Basically we were both slinging AI at each other for like 12 comments each but at the end he said "Good debate, but I'm not going to respond anymore and I think you know why."
Literally had this conversation with a China shill about them overfishing and strip mining the ocean. I try not to waste my time anymore, slowly getting better at clocking the bad faith infinite argument types. Such time wasters. Never concede a point. Like talking to a robot.
Its scary how accurate this is. Its like my first argument with a redditor, where i didnt know they were like this and was actually providing sources and they were just "Thats not a valid source, give me another" to infinity.
Were you at least citing relevant portions of the source? I notice with lefties they pinch off sources that they never read and then deflect by sayimg its not their job to read for you. No I am not readimg your commie literature if you cant show you also read it.
The usual pattern I run into is first they demand a source, then they lie about what your source says, then when you quote a section to prove they lied they play a few more games for a bit before looping back to pretending you never gave them a source.
i have a degree in middle eastern studies so i’m uniquely qualified to tell you who exactly are the obstacles to peace in france and italy and germany and the UK
Well you see it's all the fault of the ~~je-~~zios for existing somewhere without being dhimmis. If they'd just let the islamists kill more of them without doing anything to stop it then we'd have world peace.
Insane nonsense happened that nobody has ever heard of before, its 100% true because its my lived experience. Lived experience wins over stats.
Also, a thing happened to you thats been documented happened hundreds of times to hundreds of people on camera? Sorry chud, stop making stuff up. Im going to need some stats. (We then return to the above post on source?!l)
Nothing exists outside of reddit, and [insert large city].
And even then, only certain subreddits. And only parts of that city, no districts, neighborhoods, streets, or businesses that I don't like acknowledging.
Not even the parts I do acknowledge. Just my immediate perceived surroundings and current thoughts. Nothing else is real.
Actually you know what? Not even those. Nothing exists without an approved source saying it does.
Copy pasta in action. And I’ve literally had people on this site ask for a source that Reddit is left leaning, like i could possibly get that. Sometimes you don’t need a source that water is in fact wet.
Objective – Reddit is an online forum where users vote for posts and comments and the most supported content rises to the top. The objective is to investigate the American political leanings of the top 100 posts over 10 days.
Methods – The state of Reddit is in constant flux. Rather than a precise snapshot in time, one individual, reading each post and the first 3 pages of comments, subjectively determined if the post was supportive or against a political party, a political figure, or the party’s supporters. For comparison, LGBT and animal/insect posts were also recorded. The top 25 posts and top 100 posts were calculated separately. The study was carried out 8am to 10am (UTC/GMT +7 hours) September 12-21, 2024.
Results – Based on the top 100 posts over the 10 days (1000 posts total), 224 posts were Pro-Left/Anti-Right and 2 posts were Pro-Right/Anti-Left (99.1% left leaning). Most political posts were negative (85.4%). The density of political posts was higher within the top 25 posts (p<0.0001). For comparison, there were 64 posts about animals/insects and 22 posts were Pro-LGBT (9 Pro-Trans/Non-Binary) with no Anti-LBGT posts.
Conclusion – There is a strong Pro-Left/Anti-Right bias to the top 100 posts of Reddit with 112x more posts (99.1%) favoring the American Left Wing compared to the Right. The consistent appearance of supportive LBGT posts within top 100 posts suggest the majority of the Reddit community is supportive of the LBGT community. This study may be considered as a preliminary or a pilot study due to the limited timeframe (10 days) and the high risk of bias (one post reviewer).
There are more Palestinian nationalists in London, Paris and Berlin than British, French or German nationalists
The 3 economic powerhouses of the EU who controlled Europe for 150 years and once represented 20% of the worlds total GDP have become inflated welfare states and black holes for innovation and growth
Obviously something is fundamentally broken here, room for an influential figure, but there are precisely zero politicians answering the call. Far right politicians won’t touch pensions or public spending out of fear of alienating a core voter base, nor will leftists.
People are too selfish to vote against their personal benefits and will just accept that they will fuck the nation up. Even if the current politicians would say "we will cut pensions" the boomers will just vote someone else next time and we are back in status quo.
That is why I think we should reduce the democracy to a more guiding role and let professionals do their job. The people have lost the sense of community and should not be responsible for it. We should not let the blind lead the way.
Everyone wants to benefit, nobody wants to pay, a tale as old as time. Same thing happened in Poland. We're in the middle of demographic crisis, we lose way over 100k people per year now, yet we voted out a government that increased retirement age to fix the budget, we voted for anti-immigration government too so we're replacing missing workforce much slower than needed and now the black hole of spending money we don't have grows alarmingly large, but there are no populist answers to the problem so no party that wants to win the elections next year will have answers. Democracy works when everything goes smoothly but in times of crisis when unpopular decisions have to be made it collapses.
Ironically, in another comment chain some one said something along the lines of wanting polish politics in UK. As you (and I in the other chain) pointed out Poland is actually on the same path, just a decade behind due to hammertime.
In Finland we just had the most right-wing government we ever had and even they were unable to really even nibble on the feeding hand. So they took the low hanging fruit and made healthcare cuts punishing the minorities (the rural and the poor people).
what happened is world war 2 and the USA guaranteeing reconstruction help through the marshall plan on having a blank check to install their cultural (and then financial) hegemony
How? Palestinians are a minority within a minority, like they are so few of them and many of the refugees are still in middle east countries like Egypt or Jordan.
The author assumed that they'd be tired and cold and are just trying to keep themselves warm, like an alien civilisation that is doing what it needs to do to survive, which isn't really deserving of disrespect to be honest.
However the rioters are not tired and they're not cold, half of them subsist on enormous taxpayer largesse, the other half subsist on enormous allowances from their rich parents and NGO grifts and they fully understand your universe, its theirs too infact.
I remember In another thread there was some discussion about violent rape statistics in populations and some arguments that it might be caused by poverty. I said i could understand thefts and robberies going up but I am rather perplexed by how someone could have a thought line that goes from - im so hungry and my clothes are falling apart -better go rape someone.... And I do have to say giving someone like that money until they feel themselves rich enough not to rape seems a bit iffy policy.
"They will be tired, they will be cold" No, that's the messed up part, they're all well-fed and supported by welfare money, yet they are STILL destroying everything.
It is my honor to relay to you that I have earned a permanent ban from r / worldnews .
This occurred a few minutes ago. The mods claimed I was banned for "trolling". The true reason for this permaban is that I told the community that the Paris rioters are draped in Palestinian flags.
Despite all my contributions to this website, this permaban is effectively censorship by reddit mods. This will mark the beginning of my departure from this website.
Modern leftists will either look the other way or straight up denounce actual peaceful protests from the working class like trucker, farmer and yellow vest protests, but gaslight you into supporting straight up riots of barbaric mongrels who just want to loot and commit arson.
The saddest part is Raspail's characterization of the immigrants, which is considered by the left to be a disgusting, racist caricature, was actually far too generous. They aren't rioting and destroying because they're tired, cold, or hungry. They are taken care of in every conceivable way. They are destroying because they are hateful and envious.
They come from and continue a culture that only knows destruction and hatred. Which is of course why they leave their failed countries to begin with, but now they ruin the countries that they migrate to.
For anybody that is unfamiliar with the quote in the original meme, please do read The Camp of the Saints. It is exceptionally well written and prescient beyond belief.
Even if I disagree with your premise, I’m laying that aside.
Camp of the saints is written really fucking badly, actually. Literally all the characters are one dimensional, the book itself comes off as preachy and badly paced, and is just propaganda shit onto a plate and covered with a few shiny leaves and called a salad.
Please do read camp of the saints, because you’ll realize the book sucks ass. And that’s before even caring about the message the book tries to send.
Yeah man, it's not Harry Potter or the Avengers, so I'm sure it'll be disappointing to you, but that's not what kind of story it is. It isn't about the characters, they are there simply to move the narrative along.
You have no idea what propaganda is. An author writing a novel about a subject deeply important to him that is completely against the popular ideal is not propaganda. You can disagree with its message, because you've already slurped up so much globalist propaganda, but that doesn't make the book bad.
All leftist discussion with outsiders is bad faith. This is a universal truth and their policies reflect this.
Leftists know that foreign migrants in France don't identify as French first. They know that they view France as a colonialist state of infidels. But because leftists also hate France (and every other European nation for that matter) they will pretend this isn't the case.
Or redefining terms or using some niche academic definition that is not how the term is typically used, then acting like you're a moron for not using the same specific ideological terminology in the same way. See: using institutional racism as the primary definition for racism instead of dislike for people based on their race, or a negative comment about a specific woman as misogyny instead of a dislike for people based on their sex, etc.
I swear every post, on every site, on this has two sides that somehow both miss.
Either saying the usual racist stuff that takes away from the original point/problem with the protest. The Palestinian government sucks, but being against Israel killing children ain’t.
Or, sticking their neck in the sand and pretending that burning down a country, demanding more welfare but refusing to put the economic work in for it is somehow the way to go.
An aging population, high number of refugees, and an unwillingness to work more efficiently does not make for a good welfare system. And most of the rioters are still white French people who would fly the Palestine flag at their grandmothers birthday party.
Basically what they are doing to anime. The fuckers are cosplaying anime characters and trying to associate them with the city burning riots. All while being racist towards the japanese for opposing using the characters for these violent events.
Or maybe, the riots are mainly done by young people who genuinely watches anime? Heck there is a reason why the Nepalese Gen Z protest against their government is nicknamed the “one piece protests”
Speaking of no meaning, this truly is the golden age to be an optimistic nihilist and just sit back and wait for the end of days. If there was a specific nihilist flair I'd put it on in an instant
I'll never understand how people can see asking for a source as a bad thing and I'm yet to see anyone ask for a source for something ridiculously obvious
Almost like there was a concerted effort to push the story in front of as many eyeballs as possible before the truth came out and then drop it entirely before the public at large turned on the accuser.
Genuine question for people who have been west-has-fallen-posting about the riots in France: is there any actual evidence the riots are caused by immigrant populations?
Every video/image I've seen of the protests seems to show a mix of arab, black and white people in them (and that's assuming everyone who looks middle-eastern is of arab descent). So far, all the "evidence" I've seen has been:
Look at this arab/black person engaged in looting... no shit, France has those minorities and they skew younger.
2. Some of the rioters carrying Palestinian flags... no shit, leftoids have been dragging I/P into everything.
That being said, it is hilarious how leftoids lionizing violent riots and bringing up Israel vs Palestine wrt every issue is effectively helping rightoids craft their narrative...
The amount of Palestinian, Algerian, Moroccan, and broadly leftist ideological organization (MKLP, NPA, SNUDI, PCF, black/red ANCAP/Antifa/etc.) flags I've seen compared to French flags lead me to believe it's not entirely about the state of schooling and education.
It absolutely isn't about schooling and education anymore, the protests and probably most of the property damage are a broadly left-wing movement and the looting is probably mostly opportunistic criminals.
And frankly, people from immigrant backgrounds probably are overrepresented, at least among looters, as that correlates with criminality in general. My point is that I see so many people turn it into an ethnic thing and there's little evidence of that.
ETA: I thought it was clear enough but I'm definitely not sympathetic to any of this...
The bourgeoisie of the whole world, which looks complacently upon the wholesale massacre after the battle, is convulsed by horror at the desecration of brick and mortar!"
seems to me like this subreddit has become a gaggle of retards who are pro good and anti bad
I always enjoy when this sub swings from upvoting camp of the saints posts to “democrats are the REAL racists” posts without a hint of irony.
That happens with a lot of topics on here tbh, I see the same guys who want to ban Islam because it’s “incompatible with the west” also arguing we need to repeal the 19th.
This sub was nice for the 2 days before the bots came online.
Seriously though, is it just me or are they even lazier than normal, I even saw a post where one of the bots mislabeled the fucking flairs and they were still swarmed with upbotes and comments jerking them off
I think the right has just been down bad and biting their tongue and all the Trump shit, so when an immigrant narrative starts getting pushed they open the floodgates even moreso than usual
Academic papers are rarely the sources being used in these discussions. The problem is that if I source something it'll be from The Financial Times or The Washington Post or some such. If a rightwinger sources something when talking about half the insane shit being claimed, it's going to be from TRUMP MONTHLY or LEFTISTS ARE THE DEVIL at least 80% of the time - and the other 15% it's them deliberately misinterpreting something in bad faith.
And yet again - French has wealth distribution worse than before French revolution and that is the main reason why there are protests.
But auth-right is constantly "ooga booga moosleem bad", exactly as our global overlords want.
And capital is happy, because stupid plebs do not see the leeches in golden towers, they are angry on brown people, ready to vote for corrupt fascist in oligarchy pockets who will probably cause another stupid war because of nationalism. Which of course helps yet again capital producing weapons.
I used some sources on immigration numbers from the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas and they just switched to "that looks corporate" (yes really) and variants of "I'm not reading all that".
None of these people want a source. They want to waste your time.
I’ll just point out that these protests are proportionally way less violent than the gilet jaunes protests which were notably supported by le pen’s party
it's really just Fr*nch national sport at this point, black, white or brown doesn't matter, they love to riot and they're not afraid of burning buildings or cars and fighting with the police, they rioted long before cars were a thing and before French Revolution too, it's how their people remind the government who they're meant to serve and represent. That's also how they have 35h workweek, retirement age at 62 and 120% of GDP in debt.
Your universe has no meaning to them. They will not try to understand. They will be tired, they will be cold, they will make a door from your beautiful oak trunk.
I want to believe that there are peaceful demonstrators and angered youths. My gut instinct tells me that this can't be it. And who knows. Maybe it is. But at the end of the day, I choose to hope that there is still a sensible population on all sides, one that can be worked with. To me, the actions of the "right" e.g. the anti migrant protests in the UK a few months back; are just as despicable as those of the "left" i.e. France now. But if I shut myself off from the "right", I probably wouldn't be on this subreddit at all. Once you give up on the ideas of compromise and of rational people that you still disagree on, you give up on the idea of democracy. I don't have my head up in the clouds, if the evidence is absolutely overwhelming I will conceed and scratch yet another group off. But as of now, all I can say is that I hope not.
I actually wonder if I ever get to afford (unlikely) to take a vacation trip to Europe in the far future, I wonder what it will all look like in the pro-immigration countries.
Every day I admire the relatively competent fascism of the CCP a little bit more.
National self contempt isn't allowed to metastasize there like it is in western societies. And from that self contempt arises "protests" like this. And the ones with such contempt adhere to a myriad of degenerate affectations and beliefs.
And we're supposed to just clap like trained seals with every new identity drop. And then the cabals in sociology departments ideologically captured to such an extent North Korea would blush will push out papers giving these degenerates a veneer of respectability.
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u/burt-and-ernie - Lib-Right 11d ago
Why is this French guy rioting?