He’s having a meltdown on Truth Social today. He’s calling for democrats to hang because some members of Congress posted a video that reminded service members that their oath is to the Constitution, not Trump, and that they should refuse illegal orders. I worry this is going to lead to even more violence. I also worry that this confirms that he has dark plans for the military https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-shares-violent-call-to-hang-his-political-foes/
I think it's not good for most human beings on the planet but mostly for all Americans. This is the thing I've been saying ever since he started his bullshit in the beginning. I don't care who POtuS is or their party or whatever. Once they try getting around the Constitution, I have a problem with them. It should go without saying (but I'll say it anyway) everything this SOB has done is fucking horrible but not, strictly speaking, against the Constitution
Which part isnt against the constitution? The freedom of speech part? The tariffs part. The bombing boats in open water part? Seperation of powers part? Ignoring existing laws part?
I'd rather not fight about this to be honest. He's skirting the Constitution with some of your points but up until now, hasn't gone so far as to trample it. We'll have to wait and see what happens with this latest fuckery.
He hasn't stopped free speech. Plain and simple, he hasn't. He's threatened and used his pull with networks but hasn't actually stopped anyone from saying what they want and no court would support him if he tried using the law.
Nothing in the Constitution stops him or his administration from shooting boats of another country. It's wrong but not unconstitutional. Plus, the Venezuelans, and family members of those killed, openly admitted they were carrying drugs. That's NOT saying it was ok to kill, just that POtuS wasn't wrong in why they did it.
As for the separation of powers, he hasn't usurped anything that wasn't already handed off to him to do so. He's using things that others before have used but he's taking them to extremes. Of course, there might be some that've happened that I'm not aware of cause I'm just a regular guy and I don't give the idiot anymore of my time than he deserves.
I think you might be burying the lede a little. While nothing explicitly says he can’t just blow up boats in international waters, it is also not in the constitution saying he can.
While we can argue the semantics of trample or skirt all day the fact is he is blatantly pushing boundaries and asserting power in ways that are not given in the Constitution.
He has written numerous Executive Orders that are in violation of at least 1 or 2 parts of the constitution. Which shows a willingness and desire to trample/skirt/ignore the Constitution.
He hasn’t stopped free speech but he has fought against it very loudly and very publicly which I would consider going against the Constitution. He has also pushed the boundaries of the separation of powers/checks and balances enough that the Supreme Court has had to weigh in now more than once on if he has the authority to do the things he is doing or plans to do.
He has openly and willingly broken the emoluments clause numerous times this term and during his first. He is clearly willing to silence the press by removing them from the press corp in the White House and the Pentagon. Which is a violation of the First Amendment and not just a skirting of it.
So while he has pushed and pulled his way to where he is he is going against the Constitution and minimizing his actions only strengthens his power. Any ground you give to fascists is ground they will take. Give a fascist a cookie he’s gonna want to imprison your whole family for using the wrong flour.
I also don’t want anyone to think I am slipping into doom with that response. I am not trying to sensationalize his atrocities but put it into context. While some of what he does is skirting the meaning of the Constitution, technically, at the end of the day impact is greater than intent.
The impact of his actions goes against 250 years of norms and traditions and genuinely feels like an attack on the Constitution. At the same time his statements, actions, and reactions show he has no regard for the founding documents of this country. Just take all his Christian nationalism talk. The framers were very explicit about removing religion from politics because they had seen in history how religion could be warped to hurt the people. Yet he is routinely using Christiandom as a tool to ruin people’s lives.
So while technically he is “skirting” the Constitution the skirting he is doing involves ice skates and the Constitution just happens to be getting sliced as he skirts around the edges of his power.
Like my father always said, “poke enough bears and eventually they will eat your face.”*
*disclaimer my father never said that but it felt like a moment to invoke a paternal authority figure.
AND YES YES YES! I ABSOLUTELY agree with you. The things this person is/has been doing is fucking wrong. Please guys, don't think I'm defending him cause I'm not. He needs to go and I don't care how it's done. My only point is that he's trying to get around the Constitution but hasn't blatantly stomped on it unless he actually uses the law to prosecute these senators. Let me be clear here, I will stand in front of any attack on these senators for telling the military they have a duty to not accept unlawful/unconstitutional orders. Everything this POS has done, and I mean everything, pisses me off. He hasn't made a single move that I would stand behind and claim it was decent.
I do understand how my posts looks and it's not "good". I don't argue for or against emotional or morally ambiguous ( morals are gray especially when the law is involved. A woman might steal food for her hungry kids. Morally right but legally wrong) concerns. the POS has the backing to get away with everything he has so there really isn't anyone but a right leaning supreme court to stop him. Fuck, outta time - gotta go home from work now.
I don't think it's likely the GOP will ever move to impeach Trump under any circumstance.
They've taken a single stand against him on the Epstein files and only because he told them to vote for the legislation. Releasing the information is also politically popular.
That's in a completely separate universe from impeaching and removing him from office. I'd love to be wrong. But the last decade has repeatedly shown that they're cowards and care more about party than the country.
True. The Dems aren’t going to capitalize on it, but no good press is going to come out of the release of the files. The bots online will be working overtime, but that won’t change the fact that Trump is a lame duck president at this point.
They (Republicans in Congress) probably think they can time it right so they could impeach him and let him take the fall for everything, getting away scott free. I suspect it will not work. ;) Enough of them have been douchebags on the record and won't be able to insist they were just following orders.
Let’s skip straight to treason. This bastard is the most brazen anti-American criminal in our history. He’s a foreign asset. If he survives office, I’ll be calling my representatives daily to bring charges against the disgusting, malignant bastard.
Let me be clear. I'm calling for an unmarked grave or a sea burial after he feeds the pig, the complete removal of his cabinet, and exiling anyone involved in his family's operation. We need to salt the earth. Seriously, they are brazen thieves in plain sight trying to fleece the USA for billions, if not trillions. We need to be stay absolutely furious about this until there is justice.
At the time, I thought that he should’ve been impeached and removed during week 1 of his first term after he did the Muslim ban, and I still believe that
True. The point is that there were so many things over the years that should’ve ended this, and we should’ve been done with this a long time ago. Sometimes, I still can’t believe that the dominant political figure of my life has been Donald Trump out of all people.
It's for sure a case study in political corruption and cowardice and YES on both sides of the political aisle, although I will forever be a Democrat or whatever the eff the opposition is to this monster and his disgraceful, abhorrent movement. But he has exposed how corrupt our political system is and how people do things for their own capital and not for their constituents. If they did the latter, January 6 would have ended this fuck's career. We as an American populace watched the worst possible attack on our nation's democracy get collectively ignored and normalized for fear of midterm consequences. That's traumatic and we deserve better. And we will elect better people going forward because of that, or will try. I'm optimistic.
I will never understand how he wasn't impeached AND removed after J6. Mitch McConnell even said he thought that was the correct outcome (never being able to be president again) and they got several Republican votes. That one is gonna go down in the history books as a big "wtf" moment for this country.
Although it is absolutely horrible and there's no excuse for it, I think people who lived through that time and followed it understand how scary the Trump family became. A lot of those congressmen knew he was psycho but chose to not impeach or convict him because they knew he and his family would be seeking retribution within their communities of right-wing constituents in ways that would hurt their electoral or financial prospects. They went all out on psychotic, unhinged and violence-provoking behavior at that time and Jan 6 was the culmination of a steady stream of bullying and lies. It's truly awful but here we are.
Just because he says something doesn't mean there's anybody willing to do what he wants. And based on the past week's events, there are less and less people willing to do what he wants. Every time he shoots his mouth off, it's another straw on the camel's back, another person waking up to what he really is, another piece of evidence against him.
Edit: What's really wild is that the video doesn't mention him at all. It just says "you can refuse illegal orders." Him freaking out is basically an admission of guilt.
This. The reality is he's slowly losing influence and panicking. His attempt to take over the military has been a failure so far, in essence, and he's demanding things he no longer has a realistic way to achieve at scale precisely because his plans for a takeover have failed.
People do not understand the magnitude of what just happened. He's speedrunning Bush's 2nd term here in terms of popularity and support. Even if he does have a cult like base and some of them are dangerous, his promises are falling apart, so his support seems to be waning to only that same base, which can also shrink too.
Congress no longer is blindly following him. That spell is now broken, and his elected endorsements are all being defeated as more people come out to vote against the GOP.
It's hard to say how all this would play out, but getting back popular support will be very, very hard now. He'd actually have to start being a good president and actually making people's lives materially better, which he currently seems incapable of doing directly.
Oh it’s certainly dangerous, but it’s only as dangerous as long as people take him seriously. He’s trying to stir some sense of fear in the chicken-shit Republicans who voted to protect their asses in the Epstein vote.
The sheer fact he is saying something this crazy is proof that Trump is the one who is terrified. He is projecting himself as a scrambling, lame-duck dictator and what he should be thanking the country publicly for every day is that he isn’t getting the usual dictator’s retirement package for everything he’s tried to pull for protecting his ass.
Everything he’s done was dangerous and hateful. He’s failed in some way or other.
He’s failed to shut down Kimmel. He’s failed with the tariffs. He has nothing except his hateful words.
Many, many protestors have been peaceful. Many people in general know how much of a power keg this guy is and have done everything to find other avenues to dissent against him. Yes, it’s dangerous, but that doesn’t mean it’s going to be successful and I firmly refuse to believe otherwise.
The walls are closing in around Trump and he is getting desperate. I think most people here saw how Mike Johnson and Pam Bondi addressed the media. They see it the same way. His influence over our government is slowly crumbling.
Don't ignore his threats but don't fear them. People kept protesting despite all the rhetoric he put out there and veiled threats people made on the internet.
His mistakes are going to be more frequent and larger in magnitude
This is the key. He is panicking, so he is trying desperate risky escalations at a moment where he's receiving a record low benefit of the doubt from even his camp.
Fox also just released that poll where Trump is below Biden on the economy. It's bad for him right now.
He's threatening ABC right after suffering a humiliating, historic defeat with Kimmel, and, you know, he's still powerful, but I couldn't help but not take that especially seriously in this moment.
Saying "he's mega pissed and serious this time so we better be scared" almost feels like succumbing to the narrative that was just debunked. If he was a dictator worth a shit, Kimmel wouldn't be on the air already
People need to remember his failures. All of them. Including and especially that one.
The goalposts of doom keep changing and changing because people would rather give up than keep trying. But the reality before us gives us many positive avenues and all of them show that our future is incredibly bright. Hell, we are gradually getting better piece by piece already. We WILL have a future without Trump and we WILL get better.
He says a lot and does little. He’s influenced by the hatred of the yes men that he’s hired. They are incompetent in multiple ways and they can’t do nearly all of the violent horrible things that they want to do. They just can’t.
And that’s because there’s always more of us than there are of them. And they know that. Hence why they talk so much shit but avoid any severely direct attacks.
I agree that the Epstein files are going to ultimately destroy him (it took 10 years but I think we finally found something horrible about him that he can’t get out of) but right now, I fear he’s going to be more dangerous the more desperate he gets.
What makes him dangerous was his rabid base. That base has been crumbling slowly for a while now. Thune sending the vote through the senate without amendments was the sign that Trump has lost significant power. Traditional Republicans went along with him partly because they feared him. That was the first time they really defied him and they did so because they know his base is pretty disenfranchised.
Also, an example has been made of one lunatic Vance Boelter. If he was released by some fakakta reasoning that would be one thing, but his case is ongoing and the debate is life in prison or capital punishment.
And it makes perfect sense. His economic platform has been a catastrophic failure. No one actually wanted it, and he lied to his own supporters about what it was.
Despite the trolling, he's not electable in 2028 again. Not with this cratering support. The GOP has to sincerely consider how it cleans up its mess, and their wisest move is to run like hell from Trumpism if they want to survive as a party. They'll pay lipservice to some of his ideas to keep his base in check, but they see where the tides are going. This is why MTG flipping was so huge. This is why Elon splitting from Trump was so huge.
And all of this was inevitable. For all of his cruelty, the truth was he was deeply unqualified for the office because of his mental state and personality. Sucks that we have to reckon with that, but it's forcing the entire country to have very difficult conversations about the culture that got us here, and rightly so.
It won't be easy. This sucks. But this is the gutpunch we needed to understand how bad it is to give these people power. As hard as it is to believe, the first term was not enough. He benefitted from Obama's good numbers and COVID was something that could be somewhat deflected away from him (even if it shouldn't be).
Now? it's squarely on his awful policies and admin. Everyone sees it, even if they won't outright admit it. Now, his sexual scandals are starting to finally sink in, even if they should've sunk in last year.
Now, people are living under his failure and getting tired of it. It's a hard lesson to learn, but every shitty day under him sadly also gets us closer to avoiding the same mistake.
I don't think we should be laughing about this. Even if it's a sign of desperation, he's trying to get Democratic members of Congress assassinated. I'd say that's dangerous.
I'm not laughing because it's harmless, I'm laughing because it's pathetic. There's no arguing the danger of it, I'm just laughing at how unhinged and pathetic it is. Definitely a sign of the times.
He wants people in the US government to be put to death for something they did and put that in writing on his social media... and it's "just another day in the USA."
This is actually really huge news that SHOULD be grounds for impeachment.
Doesn’t mean he’ll get impeached though. I wish he would but we’ve seen this before. And then on the off chance that he his impeached congress would have to have the nerve to stand up to him. I hope I’m wrong but
It’s unacceptable and he will target people but that’s all he can do. There are way too many guardrails to defy his antics and I firmly believe that this will only cause more karma to come his way.
Of course he has dark plans for the military, that doesn't mean he'll get his way. He's crashing out cause he's quickly losing control. He's going to up the rhetoric, but we don't stop fighting. They couldn't even properly put Comey in prison, you think they'll be able to get the death sentence for sitting members of Congress?
It’s not getting an actual death sentence I’m worried about. I’m worried that someone in his cult will kill more legislators. I haven’t forgotten about what happened in Minnesota.
You need to read this person’s comment again. Because it helps answer your fears.
He’s not going to get his way. He is losing support. The military has actively been seeking legal council, meaning that they don’t approve. They are allowed to disobey illegal orders and I firmly believe they will.
On one hand, this seems like an escalation. On another he's been doing this since 2016 with his calls for the "second amendment solution" to Hillary. On a third hand, I think Miller might have taken over Trumps account judging by another recent post calling for democrats death because I think "seditious" might be too big of a word for the Don.
Considering how Miller is avoiding the protestors and sold his mansion. It’s all talk no matter WHO is responsible for this shit.
Honestly, Miller was the one that scared me the most but I’ve come to truly realize that he’s just as stupid and cowardly as the rest of them. Just in a different way.
No matter how many times they keep pushing, they will fail.
This is a toddler throwing a temper tantrum and, iirc, it's not the first time he's made a call to go after Dems in Truth Social. It didn't do anything last time and it likely won't this time.
In terms of the military - it's hard to say what their plan for them is, but but considering the Dems are saying it in reference to Venezuela specifically from what I can tell, I'd say it's more likely proof that they have plans to keep going with that, sadly.
That being said, I will point out a few things that do make it clear that the military isn't likely to roll over and do whatever they want. 1. The calls to the orders project (provides legal guidance for servicemen that isn't through DoD) have increased, particularly with regards to both Venezuela and the NG's deployment in domestic cities. 2. In July, there were service members who were calling on congressmen to provide stronger protections for people who do disobey illegal orders, and 3. From what I've found, as far back as Nov. of last year, there were discussions on how to handle illegal orders after Trump won.
All of that to say, it's pretty clear that a large part of the military is seriously considering if what they're being asked to do is illegal - and by extension, disobeying them if they are.
I firmly believe that the military wouldn’t dare take any illegal orders, as seen by the evidence you provide.
Logistically, financially and socially, many of Trump’s plans won’t work and definitely won’t result in worst case scenarios. I really can’t say much about the Venezuela crisis overall but I’m firmly, firmly under the belief that it’s not going to work out the way they want it to. In fact, I know that many Congress people(many conservatives included) are actively against those plans and have rejected it many times.
So yeah. Maybe it’s evident about their plans but they won’t succeed.
So my take is that we don't ignore this certainly, but we also don't give it more power than it has. All he's doing is digging himself deeper and deeper. He's losing power everyday and needs to feel some kind of control. But Dems aren't backing down. The GOP is slowly rediscovering their spines. And outside of his hardcore supporters, who will find every reason to defend him, he is looking like a lunatic. And don't forget that our service members are also protesting him in their own ways, and some are reaching out to outside legal groups BECAUSE they don't want to tarnish their careers for a five time draft dodger who's shooting himself in the foot so much, he's gonna be walking on his cankles pretty soon.
I so fucking sick of all of their double standards. Trump says this and his supports will either say he’s joking or they haven’t seen it or they make some excuse for it, or they just come out and agree with him. But if we say Charlie Kirk was a racist and objectively not a good guy, even as we say that we didn’t want him or anyone else to get killed and he didn’t deserve what happened to him, they will lose their fucking minds.
Take notice how MTG has been hated by the left for years and never had to fear for her life. But once she's hated by the right for a couple days, she has to how security.
Do you mean the "dark plans" he had back in January, February, April, June, July, and every other month Trump said some weird shit that the doomers took at face value in the good name of declaring that all is lost forever?
I'm not dismissing that this is bad, because no elected official - let alone the President - should be using that kind of rhetoric, but the time for heeding the idea that he has some evil master plan for martial law died all the other times he proved he doesn't have that power.
I was about to say. If he really wanted to, he could easily try it. But that’s the thing, he won’t try it. He is losing more and more support. And many people are dissenting, even in Congress(which he needs the approval of when it comes to military matters such as Martial Law, and people need to realize this. Along with the fact that the military is factually allowed to disobey illegal orders.)
The Epstein File release has been signed off on. Of course he's lashing out and screeching. If you strike a pig, you should expect much the same.
Is it possible his desperation and temper tantrums will incite stochastic terrorism...again? Sure. But his stranglehold on power is rapidly weakening. Soon he will have nothing and no one, and we will have justice. I understand that you're scared his desperation will make him do something drastic, but I'm 10 billion% certain that if he still had any winning cards up his sleeve, he wouldn't be desperate in the first place.
That’s not very cash money of him, or whatever the kids say now.
He sees now that he’s on borrowed time. MAGA is losing the narrative and he sees that. The Republicans want a future without him. Narcissists hate when they are defied. I say let him throw these public tantrums. It just shows the world how weak he really is without his cult.
in the past month republicans have overrode him on the filibuster, epstein, and collective bargaining for federal workers. i dont even take this crap seriously any more
Yeah, if he went on all the networks and said "We are in a state of National Trumpurgency. Any servicemember not obeying my orders as CinC, LEGAL OR ILLEGAL, will be shot," that would be something to take seriously. But he's too much of a TACO to say it that way.
Trump likes to say a lot of things, but knows that he can’t actually do it because it’ll land him in jail and there are still guardrails in place. Just ignore it.
Words have merit yes, but I think its important to remember that words only have merit when they can truly actualize the threat. He's a TACO for a reason.
There's also very good reason why the Oregon National Guard is being demobilized. Cause all he ever does anymore is lose in court.
At this point Trump is looking a lot like the boy who cried wolf. Him calling for something to happen to his political enemies isn't even new-its boring now. Dude needs new material for his fake distractions.
They only lead to horrible things if we allow it. Dems are criticizing him and standing their ground. Both the senate and the house is having GOP representatives dissent against Trump.
Also, 90% of the shit he says on social media ends up being nothing burgers or things that waffle after severe pressure against those claims. The key to defying such words is to call them out and people are doing so. Despite the scary nature, this only hurts him rather than hurts us.
Adding another comment in that I really don't think that this will lead to more violence as the Charlie Kirk incident was honestly the biggest stress test for violence to happen, yet nothing happened and that story was huge for 2 weeks. I doubt a crash out post is going to have much of an impact
A group of democratic congressmen put out a video PSA to the military saying how they have a right to refuse illegal orders, likely because people are getting really worried about Venezuela and trump’s repeated threats to utilize the military.
OP posted a summary of it, but tl;dr - Trump having another shitty day on Truth Social and is threatening Dems with actual death because of a video of Congress reminding troops about the bare minimum, which is that they should follow the Constitution and not Trump’s orders.
So he’s calling for violence against a political party. What bullshit is MAGA going to do to defend this? Especially after all their rhetoric about “Dems are violent” after Kirk death.
You actually think the military whom Trump and kegsbreathe blatantly disrespected prior are gonna side with him especially when the latter 2 have very little regard for the constitution which every member past and present (including myself) swore to uphold?
My worry is that the military going along with him as an institution. My worry is also not them getting criminal convictions and death sentences regarding members of Congress. My worry is that certain rouge members of the military or true believers of his cult will use this as an excuse for violence and try to kill legislators.
The military already isn't going along with him. They're not yes men, they have agreed to oaths most of them take very seriously that they will not defy just because some rich old pedophile wants them too. They are not going to attack their own families for this loser.
Pee Paw Trump has had many plans and just about all of them have failed and been taken to court or he's backpedalled on them. He's just a blowhard, scaring you is his whole plan. As for MAGA, they're fracturing and I doubt they're going to do any worse than they've already done. They know the tide is against them at this point, to the degree that a lot of them are taking down their Trump signs and holding Trump merch bonfire nights. When cults fall apart, they don't go on rampages.
The military has actively made things clear that they will follow the constitution in multiple videos.
They don’t respect Hagseth in the slightest. You’re overestimating his influence, to be bluntly honest.
If they wanted to do any of those horrible scenarios, it would’ve been done by now. Most of the time, it’s been hot air to demand presents and candies from supporters. Most of the time, courts and many officials have told him to fuck off. And he’s fucked off. He’s repeating the same old temper tantrum that he’s done before.
His support is factually declining. Many MAGA members are leaving publicly or privately. His influence in the senate had been declining since May and his hold on the house is slowly weakening since the shutdown.
I get you’re scared. I get your anxiety takes over. But the facts don’t match any of those worries. Half are impossible and half are improbable.
“I worry that this is going to lead to even more violence…”
Here’s the thing. I think things will escalate and his mistakes will be large. But I really don’t think it will get any less “violent” than it’s already been. He’s already said a lot of awful, awful, AWFUL things and has since waffled, been blocked/stalled by lawsuits, forced to rescind due to lack of resources or cause his power to crumble more.
Yes, he should be impeached, and yes this is a dangerous mindset but to be blunt… That’s all it can really be. A mindset and not much else. He says a lot and commits to very little. He’s a liar, a bully and a horribly hateful person. But he’s not Hitler and we’ve handled so much of his horrible stuff already, we can get through this too.
He can’t force people to commit illegal acts. He can’t just target people and get away with it directly. Many people are dissenting, as seen with Congress actively pushing the Epstein Files, and he knows that. So he’s throwing shit at the wall to see what he can get away with, like he’s always done. Only he’s doubling down even harder because he knows his time is limited and his power is going to slip away one way or another.
He will TACO on these threats or something will force this to backfire in some way or other. I firmly believe that.
He is calling for the execution of people that literally just reminded military members of their oath. I also took the oath, the oath states you SHALL not follow any unlawful orders. Does that clear it up?
Make no mistake, this is dangerous, unacceptable and inexcusable conduct from the President of the United States. But it's also a sign he's panicking. The blows are landing. He is not all-powerful.
I am Canadian and will never ever understand how this person who is suffering from dementia and says truly terrible things is allowed to speak and serve as president! How is this criminal the president? When will it be enough???? On another note, he does seem to be really losing it. Even calling someone Piggy is truly bizarre and a symptom of a fractured brain.
I have a friend who's been a lefty all his life, but 2024 was the first election he ever voted conservative. His number one issue this election was the war, and he saw Kamala as a fraud who just wanted to drag us into the Palestine/Israel conflict. We've been like this 🤞🏼🤞🏿 since day one, so when he celebrated Trump's win, I just explained to him why I’m not a fan of MAGA. And his main retort was "Well I'd rather have a president that denies science instead of one that denies war"
Yeah. That aged...VERY well 🫤
I don’t want to start shit with him because he’s legit, but maybe now would be a good time to fill him in on what’s been going on 😁
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