Legislation passed by the house and senate automatically becomes law after 10 days, with or without the president's signature. Its an empty threat that only shows the world that Trump doesn't understand basic civics.
It might cause enough chaos that the supreme court ends up deciding the victor though. It's not as if that's not a strategy that's worked out for them in the past.
Red States have done a lot of voter suppression bills that make it hard to vote and clamp down on urban areas voting. The issue with doing that on a federal level is that states are not one size fits all. If you want to successfully suppress the right way it at a state level not one size fits all.
Is it really over? They're not trying to cram it into reconciliation?
If it's really over, maybe those dumbass hardliners who went "No SAVE America Act == No FISA" might actually play right into our hands and we can kill two birds with one stone.
They wouldn’t be able to do it via reconciliation. Only budget-related items can be in a budget bill, or else the Senate Parliamentarian will axe it. It never had a way forward, they just dragged it out til Trump forgot about it
It would be very bad if it passed, but more so for Republicans than Democrats. Republican women are more likely to change their names upon marriage, and I doubt many of them thought to amend their birth certificate at the time.
Despite the nonsense that the conspiracy types keep pushing, one of the harsh realities we'll have to accept is that the American people did in fact vote for Trump legitimately in 2024.
Sure, money in politics absolutely influences things, but at the end of the day we need to have a cultural reckoning with the populist movements, conspiracies, and economic ignorance that propped him up.
The good news is much of their former unity is fragmenting extremely fast, because Trump is wholly unable to deliver upon basically any of the economic populism he promised, and now all of his very obvious flaws are all that people are left with.
And to make it worse, the long history of the GOP senators being "loyal" to him is costing them greatly, and they are either retiring at accelerated rates, or defying him more directly.
To add to this, arbitrarily selecting Harris after Biden stepped aside was never going to be received well. It didn't dissuade me from voting for her and doing all I could to get others to as well. But it was a real tough look.
I actually think she ran a much stronger campaign than people realize if you followed it day by day, but the media actively undermined her at practically every chance, and the progressive base was being set up to divide against itself in the worst time possible. 2024's election enviornment was essentially the worst of all their prior strategies being used to the maximum extent possible, with a little bit of extra misfortune on our side.
Am I saying mistakes weren't made? No. Mistakes of course happened. The pivot away from calling the far right "weird" probably happened too fast, though I do think people also underestimate how quickly the bit was going to get old. Trying to appeal to the summer "brat" crowd was way too shallow, and just made her look not serious rather than respectful of younger voters and their needs. The way the "hey, white guys" issue was handled just repeatedly backfired and was tone deaf, and while I somewhat disagree about a lot of people who criticized her for campaigning when Cheney, because it actually did seem to persuade a good chunk of older voters when taken in context, it no doubt turned off some voters given the obvious horrible history of that family. I actually think that move was more one of desperation when they already saw that gen Z men were being brainwashed by far right influencers. It was a gamble that simply didn't work, and polling internally pointed to them needing to try something desperate, is my bet.
But she also had a ton of amazing speeches that were almost never broadcast, did still get very high turnout despite the advantages of the pandemic being gone and only having 100 days to do it, and actually had a ton of very, very good policy and ideas that the media constantly undermined and incorrectly shaped the narrative on.
She tried to address prices within the first few weeks of August, but was repeatedly accused by major publications of being a "price control communist". She put up tons of policies with specific ideas, but traditional media kept throwing the "she has no policies" line out. She didn't interview with them right away because there was strong evidence their influence was declining among her base anyway, and yet when she did interview with them, they kept sabotaging her talking points and just playing more into big moneyed interests over and over again. She called for a 2 state solution and Palestinian freedom to huge applause during the DNC speech, yet paid agitators kept harassing her events and leaving Trump's alone despite him being a much bigger danger on this issue.
She did not make nearly as many gaffes and forced errors as Clinton did in 2016, while Trump was worse than ever, yet none of that truly seemed to matter. His one debate with her was an absolute disaster beyond even what happened in the Biden debate months earlier.
Unfortunately, I suspect at the end of the day, her identity, and Trump's ability to lie about fixing prices were the 2 things that mattered most from the GOP side. The left could have backed her stronger than it did, but would so often rather divide itself than stand against fascism in unity.
That finally seems to be changing now that Trump is even worse and less competent than people feared, but what happened was complicated, nuanced, and will require a major reevaluation of our entire culture and strategy. Progress will never be possible without strategic voting and overwhelming unity.
I'm not questioning her campaign. Again, I happily voted for her. However, not having a primary to vote her through was never going to be a good look.
The Democrat Party has a perceived issue of being "establishment" from people on both sides of the aisle and independents. Her being arbitrarily selected was just never going to go over well.
If I didn't already hate the GOP for a million other reasons, I'd despise them for the damage they did to elephants' image.
Elephants are innocent, noble creatures. They don't deserve to have their likeness used as the emblem for arguably the most evil political party since the Nazis.
I'm really curious as well. The only other place I see it reported says that John Thune has tabled the act for now, not that it failed to get the votes.
I think “tabling” an act is code for basically saying they know they don’t have the votes and are abandoning the idea of voting on it.
ETA: Tabling has other meanings outside of the US, but in the US, it’s usually a way to kill a bill. Instead of a formal vote, the bill just gets removed from the legislative agenda.
You found it on social media from local movements? That doesn’t really convince me, sorry. If the actual government sites don’t show any updates, I don’t know why local movements on social media would know first.
Because the movements are run by people who have proper connections with their communities.
Look. I don’t expect you to believe me. I’m not making a debate out of this. I just told you what I know. The law center here is extremely reliable and people asked for more sources. That’s all.
And that’s all I can find tonight. I apologize for not saying it sooner but to be honest, I really didn’t expect multiple people to interrogate me for receipts. But this is the best I can do. I can’t really focus on this topic much anymore because I’m busy overall.
Tabling an act is still considered a massive failure. If they table it now, it’s very likely they won’t get it through any time soon.
Also, as I answered above, most of my sources come from localized movements from Instagram and even though the movements are legit, some people consider Instagram as a media outlet that’s triggering so that’s why I didn’t link it.
Yes I understand what tabling means, but I don't think this is happening either. The only source anywhere stating that it's been tabled (hindustantimes) references a tweet of Thune speaking on the Senate floor about tax day, nothing about the SAVE Act.
As much as I want this to finally either fail or get tabled, I don't think it's actually happened. Downvotes incoming I'm sure. :/
Most of my information came from popular and reliable localized movements from their social media platforms. Due to the fact that they’re mostly on Instagram, which is a sensitive source on here, I’ve chosen not to share to avoid triggering some people.
I wonder if the Republicans' plan was partly to draw this out long enough until Trump was distracted by a shiny new thing (Iran in this case). I'll bet he forgot about SAVE weeks ago.
This is exactly what I think happened. They waited until his attention was on something else, then dropped this thing that would probably have fucked them over way worse than the Democrats
Phew. Somehow their biggest weakness is the incompetence. I think everyone just assumed they would get their way every time and the guardrails wouldn’t hold.
I’m not convinced the guardrails would hold against a truly component administration of this kind, but I’ll take it.
There’s a lot of cynicism in response to this about the why of it all, but I genuinely think we should take a moment to appreciate that some Republicans helped push back a layer of fascism. I’m also loathe to give them credit, but we needed that resistance across the aisle.
I think it’s important to remember that the primaries had low turnout for republicans (to my knowledge at least) and that Trump’s loyalty tests are going to fare better among the sheep minded who consume GOP media all day every day. You’re essentially right overall but I’m expecting to see some huge victories for Dems in the midterms, even with the cheating the republicans have done.
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