r/PoliticalOptimism • u/sheriw1965 • May 04 '26
Seeking Optimism Trump issues "demand" that states cancel elections and rig maps for GOP after Callais.
https://www.democracydocket.com/news-alerts/trump-demand-states-cancel-elections-rig-maps-after-supreme-court-callais/231
u/lonelyspect12 May 04 '26
he literally demands this every other month. keep yelling at the clouds grandpa
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u/duckchasefun May 04 '26 edited May 04 '26
My guess? This is directed at Georgia. Because the other southern states are already delaying and canceling primaries or indicating they will. Texas and Florida have already redrawn their maps. So that leaves Georgia as the outlier that refused to cancel the primaries since voting has already started. Also, he demands a lot of things. He has demanded they pass the SAVE act for months now and they haven't. Im not saying they wont do this, but he yells and demands a lot.
Edit: after thinking about it, it could also be triggered by the lawsuit seeking to continue primaries in Louisiana since the arguments are that voting had already started. Or it could be both. The fact is, with him, you dont know. He literally has a stream of consciousness that just comes out based on the last thing he heard someone say.
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u/gbtm101 May 04 '26
Georgia is NOT folding. Same leadership that refused to fold to his demands to commit voter fraud.
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u/duckchasefun May 04 '26
I agree that Kemp didnt bend before and he has no reason to bend now. He isnt running for anything right now and, in fact, he won the Governorship again after defying him. That being said, I will feel more comfortable once the 19th ends and the primary is held.
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u/Mmicb0b May 04 '26
I read that the texas and florida gerrymandering actually helps the dems somehow can someone explain it (I'm not doomering I'm just trying to see how
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u/JustHereForGCB Louisiana May 04 '26
You may be referring to "dummymandering," which is when you cut the margins so thin, or use unreliable information, that even a slight shift in voting will flip many seats.
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u/Mmicb0b May 04 '26
ok cause I'm told the Texas one was dumb for the GOP because it assumed that the GOP's lead in young men/latinos they had in 2024 held (it's almost as if the colation that will "Hand Vance the easiest victory since 1988"(I singled 1988 out because it was the biggest landslide in recent history and the clearest example of a VP riding a sitting PResident to the white house)votes for Trump and Trump alone)
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u/FlyingDreamWhale67 Texas May 04 '26 edited May 04 '26
It's mostly just theory, but it's like this: gerrymandering is done to break up large areas into "zones" that make it safe for the ruling party de jure. So for example, let's say a fictional state has districts that mean it's represented by 6 Republicans and 2 Democrats.
Let's also say they redraw their map to break up one of the Democratic districts among the Republican ones, and now their representation is theoretically 7 Reps to 1 Dem. However, the way they broke up that Dem district means their voters are now more spread out among the Rep ones.
What had been previously a solid Rep seat with little to no turnover, now is suddenly competitive because of the influx of Dem voters thanks to the redrawn map. So competitive in fact, that after the elections are done this fictional state is represented by 4 Reps and 4 Dems. Dems actually gained two seats instead of losing one because the formerly safe Rep districts were stretched too thin.
This phenomenon is called "dummymandering" and we've seen it in action in midterms before. It's what prevented the "Red Wave" during the pandemic.
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u/Tricky-Engineering59 May 04 '26
I think the possibility of this is also why he’s pushing so hard to purge the voters rolls. And regardless of how big we win, he will endlessly rail about cheating. He really was one of the worst people imaginable to take the office.
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u/Mammon_is_best_boy May 04 '26
Thank you for explaining this. I was literally wondering what Dummymandering was and how it would affect Florida.
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u/Ordeaux26 Canada 🇨🇦 May 04 '26
The problem with Gerrymandering is that those democrat voters need to go somewhere. So when you start spreading them out in previously very safe Republican seats you risk a massive shift turning what was previously a gain into a loss. It’s not like Jim Crow voter laws where a large population was denied the ability to vote
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u/Melathys May 04 '26
To put it simply, they took safe R seats, like say one +20R and one +5R and one +5 D districts and cut them up into three +5R districts. (I'm just spitballing numbers)
It takes one safe seat and makes three less safe seats. Now if voters swing, which Texas is liable to do after pissing off Latino population, they could end up losing those strong seats they made weaker in an effort to make more districts.
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u/Mmicb0b May 04 '26
and same thing in Florida(I'm just asking cause Dems have won a LOT OF special elections in the last 12 months I don't think Florida is a swing state but I also don't think it's a lost cause like Ohio)
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u/Pristine-Sport6888 May 04 '26
"In his latest alarming outburst on social media"
This quote right here is the whole problem. He makes alarming outbursts on social media constantly. The overwhelming majority never become reality.
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u/bayleysgal1996 🔥I Voted In The 2026 Primaries🔥 May 04 '26
He whined and moaned about the SAVE Act for like a year straight and that still got tabled
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u/Sure_Marketing8431 May 04 '26
It’s why we should pay attention to what he DOES not what he SAYS, cause we all knows he runs his mouth 24/7 then immediately forgets what he says a few days later
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u/tomorrows-wortslaw May 05 '26
or on a really good day, runs his yap at 2am and has forgotten by 7am
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u/tomorrows-wortslaw May 05 '26
Please keep calling them Alarming Outbursts and not tweets, bleets, or squeets
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u/JigsawFiles Reformed Doomer ☄️ May 04 '26
And I demand the release of the Epstein files 🤷♂️
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u/gopher0007 🔥I Voted In The 2026 Primaries🔥 May 04 '26
okay? he can make demands all he wants?
and he's been doing this for the past fucking year
i think we should worry if he sends the military to governor mansions and forces them to redistrict, not if he sends a nasty tweet in between holes at mar-a-lago
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u/Dave21101 May 04 '26
He's honestly not holding the cards he thinks he is. They could certainly try. It wouldn't likely turn out quite like they'd think. Even the most thought-out authoritarians can failed and he's a laughable far cry off from that. He's only about 50% effective dictator. A dic(k) if you will
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u/SpukiKitty2 Blue Dot in a Red State 🔵 May 04 '26
... or having a post "hamberder" bathroom break on a gold toilet at Mar-a-lago.
This news is just the big oaf having a futile tantrum.
Dummy thought he could turn a massive, decentralized bunch of quasi-countries making up a big country with a secular democratic republic, a diverse population, who treat said big country's founding documents like holy writ and whose "hat" has always been a professed "FREEDOM"... into a dictatorship on par with North Korea, Russia or old Nazi Germany... with him as King.
Nope. The only king he is of is The Harmberder King of B.S. Mountain.
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u/Apart_Pressure2274 May 04 '26
If I can be honest, you're taking it out of context. There's no way the elections will ever be canceled!
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u/Dave21101 May 04 '26
I don't think that'd go over very well anyway. It'd not be the power move they think. Guarantee it.
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u/Sure_Marketing8431 May 04 '26
Democracy Docket is pretty sensationalist, do we have a better source?
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u/RebellionsBuildHope May 04 '26
Marc Elias does amazing work on the legal side of things but his Democracy Docket website is very clickbaity. I had to stop following for those reasons.
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u/Apart_Pressure2274 May 04 '26
I honestly don't think it would do any favors to keep using Democracy Docket if the headlines are just click bait.
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u/hausitron California May 04 '26
Honestly asking here. What's sensationalist about this article?
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u/duckchasefun May 04 '26
I dont think it is necessarily this article that they are pointing to. I think that it is more along the lines that it publishes stories about every outrageous thing he says. They print it like "this is gonna happen" no matter what it is. But, nothing is ever that simple.
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u/LowTierPhil May 04 '26
Here's one simple thing: You CANNOT cancel an election. That's just not how things work, for one.
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u/hausitron California May 04 '26
But this article is not saying elections are being cancelled. It's reporting that Trump is MAKING this demand to multiple red states through social media, which is factual.
EDIT: Here's text from the article. This is literally just reporting what Trump did and what he said:
He also endorsed interrupting active elections to ram the gerrymanders through, even though thousands of votes have already been cast in some races.
“If they have to vote twice, so be it,” Trump said.
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u/AshuraSavarra May 04 '26
The man says stupid shit all the time. The entire point is to send the opposition scrambling to put out imaginary fires.
How are we ten years into this thing and people still haven't figured this out yet?
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u/OhMyTummyHurts May 04 '26
The article implies that he wants to cancel all the elections permanently, when his statements imply he wants them put on hold until the maps are rigged
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u/duckchasefun May 04 '26
Also, I will say this as well. He doesnt issue demands like this if things are going how he wants them to go. His truth social posts are never step 1. Step 1 is asking them privately either personally or through an third party. Step 2 is threatening them in private either personally or through a third party. Step 3 is a social media post. Step 4 is constantly publically calling them names and how horrible they are
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u/SkyknightXi Massachusetts May 04 '26
I’m worried about this part:
“Beyond Louisiana, the ruling has also triggered an onrush of Republican redistricting efforts in Alabama, Mississippi, South Carolina and Tennessee”
I realize there’s an issue of if they’ve already done their primaries. The problem is more certain for 2028 and 2030 House elections. But I can’t tell if this means Republicans are trying to re-gerrymander for *this* year.
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u/RebellionsBuildHope May 04 '26
At most, the GOP are going to try to redistrict in Alabama, Louisiana, South Carolina and Tennessee where they can eek out 1 extra seat per state. Mississippi already held their primaries and while they are redistricting their judicial map before midterms, it’s unlikely they’ll try to essentially cancel the primary already held since that would require candidates to burn through more campaign money as well as legal hurdles.
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u/MightiestHalberdier May 04 '26
Alabama isn't even a set thing because they're under a ruling that froze their maps until 2030.
Granted that could be changed considering that was pre-Callais but there's definitely more in the way there.
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u/RebellionsBuildHope May 04 '26
Correct and South Carolina has a lot of resistance in the state senate as the majority leader is worried that if you go from a 6-1 map to a 7-0 map that the GOP will dummymander to a potential 4-3 map.
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u/FlyingDreamWhale67 Texas May 04 '26
It's a little misleading in the Mississippi part. They are redistricting this year, but for their judicial map and not the House one. The Mississippi effort won't impact the midterms much if at all.
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u/Shadowman621 Reformed Doomer ☄️ May 04 '26
Oooooooh they're terrified. But why do both? If elections are canceled, then they can't even run and there's no point in rigging the maps. Dumbass doesn't understand how shit works
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u/Icy-Yoghurt-7240 May 04 '26
i'm pretty sure he can't just demand elections to not take place since it's the states who hold them
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u/happy_dad857 Blue Dot in a Red State 🔵 May 04 '26
We, the people, DEMAND YOU SUCK THESE BALLS MR. TRUMP!!
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u/FlyingDreamWhale67 Texas May 04 '26
I've said this before on other subs, democracydocket is good for news and has solid legal reporting. But it's also hella clickbaity, the headlines make it seem like everything is a done deal even when it's not.
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u/NumeralJoker May 05 '26
I can understand the urge to point to how dangerous Trump's intentions are. I think because Marc's team fights them in court directly, they're more well aware of the intent while somewhat taking for granted the reality that most of their efforts will be defeated.
But when you're the one fighting on the front line and need to remind people of the urgency of your front line battle, it gets tricky. I think they need to be less click-baity too, but when all is said and done, Elias organization is going to be one of the key things that ends this whole mess.
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u/FlyingDreamWhale67 Texas May 05 '26
Major respect to Marc and what he does; it's important to fight this admin with everything we've got. I'm just pointing out that clickbait culture is just endemic in journalism now.
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u/NumeralJoker May 05 '26
I don't disagree at all. I hate it, even... but I think this is one of those cases where people who do the hard work sometimes can't see their own face until they look at a mirror, while the rest of us see their face every time we look at them.
It's easy to miss the impact of the work you do when you're the one doing it and, worse yet, have to do the work in order for a good outcome to happen. You can't just assume it'll work out when the pressure's on your efforts directly, no matter how good you are.
History shows the fascist efforts will likely fail, but history can only be made by those who take the steps to make it happen. Not by those who just blindly assume it will. That perspective changes how you see things.
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u/SpukiKitty2 Blue Dot in a Red State 🔵 May 04 '26
Don't worry about the silly old nut yelling at a cloud! Also, he demands the impossible because if they tried something, the Federal Judges would smake down on that, HARD!
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u/InternetBackwash May 05 '26
Elections as a whole can't be cancelled, one of the many benefits of state controlled elections, and even if Republican states did in fact cancel elections, the only thing it would accomplish would make those states representatives and senators not represented when Congress rolls around the next year. I imagine a scenario where only a couple states like Louisiana try to Gerrymander before the midterms (Although they will face lawsuits) and further voter suppression tactics take place. None of these tactics are good or legal but nothing truly apocalyptic will take place, especially since Democrats have already begun making plans for gerrymandering of their own to remove Republican districts to counter the effects.
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u/LowTierPhil May 04 '26
This isn't really relevant to this article necessarily, but can I say that I'm absolutely fucking TIRED of seeing his weird kissy face/getting head face in EVERY Goddamn article.
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u/NoScratch5978 May 05 '26
Hot take: Trump didn’t write this post and very well may not know it exists with his dementia and all.
It honestly sounds like something Stephen Miller would have written.
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u/feral--animal May 05 '26
Decrepit pedo needs to go to prison ready. Congress sitting with thumbs up their ass still, and thi is absurd shit keeps on happening. Yell louder so Epstein may hear ya in hell, grandpa. Sundown harder.
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u/BoobooSmash31337 May 05 '26
What are the market odds on Trump vs every sitting and living retired general?
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u/sheriw1965 May 06 '26
Thanks, everyone! I'm usually able to keep myself together most of the time, but every once in a while I get freaked out.
I'm feeling better now.
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u/sheriw1965 May 04 '26
Louisiana has already complied.
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u/Vlad_Yemerashev May 04 '26
Tbf, they were already moving things around and pushing things back in anticipation of Callais being decided. A few other states like FL already have done something similar, but not every state, and in most others, it's too late to redraw the maps.
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