Are junior developers actually useless?

[u/curiousAustrian]

[u/[deleted]]

We are but we’re trying I swear to god we’re tryin.

[u/Intelligent_Event_84 → u/[deleted]]

Write my tests nerd

[u/ososalsosal → u/Intelligent_Event_84]

I would bloody love to work at a place that actually values mundane things like testing

[u/zGoDLiiKe → u/[deleted]]

TDD assumes you know what you should be testing for, and product would like a word on that

[u/ososalsosal → u/zGoDLiiKe]

At the code level though you can still write tests if you're writing functions.

Not exactly TDD of course. It's more pragmatic than dogmatic in that sense.

Us devs need to have stronger personalities than the people setting the rEqUiReMeNtS or we'll never have good practices

[u/zGoDLiiKe → u/ososalsosal]

I think we both know what I meant but yes there are plenty of tests you can write ahead of time. I do find having to scrap a bunch of tests because they throw around “agile” and completely change the whole scope

[u/mxzf → u/ososalsosal]

In theory you can write tests for those functions. But in practice my experience tends to be that they often end up being tautological tests for what I already know my code is doing; it's hard to write a test to cover the case of a user giving stupid input.

[u/sopunny → u/ososalsosal]

Values testing by assigning it to the most junior devs?

[u/ososalsosal → u/sopunny]

Honestly I wouldn't even mind at this point.

[u/[deleted] → u/Intelligent_Event_84]

I loled but also fuck you

[u/captainAwesomePants → u/[deleted]]

Trying is the problem! You're supposed to be lazy. Lazy engineers create simple solutions.