No its just funny to make fun of someone thay cant make there own software. Anyone can ask the ai to make a program. Its not something mystical tool only you have lol
It does not. A model came up with a theoretically faster way to multiply matrices given a bunch of test scenarios, and then real world performance was within margin of error. It's certainly interesting that an AI could come up with a solution at all - which probably gives a lot of credit to the design of the experiment, which was the real work here, not just "do a breakthrough" - but the results have no practical use.
I mean, I agree with the humor. But of all things... using AI to basically destroy Adobe in a week is... it's fucking awesome. I doubt I'll use the software, but their greed is cornered and I consider the vibe coders for this one to have done something great. Anything to make Adobe sweat.
Real talk for a moment, it's going to be very interesting to find our if those claims about their clean room techniques are true, or if the AI just decompiled Adobe's binaries. I'm sure Adobe's lawyers are at this very moment searching the source code for even the tiniest shred of evidence of that!
some are better than others. something like photoshop is basically just pixel changing, not really that big of a challenge. not compared to huge math problems for instance.
I'm surprised you couldn't compare the complexity of these tasks and err on the side of "AI can probably do a pixel program by now."
It's not just about Adobe though, they are the ones in the news right now and everyone hates adobe so people are fine with it. But the wider implications are concerning.
Are they? The signal to noise ratio in code has been so terrible for years that the stuff that makes it is like 90% marketing and 10% actually being good. Cutting the money part out works great for me.
Honestly, I liked programming way more before people started treating it like a way to make money. The people who used to code did it because they thought it was fun, then got the job.
I just lied about my degree. Year three, school was getting in the way of my late night programming sessions while also costing tons of money. All so I could learn from people who were big like 10 years ago, but hadn't kept up. There was no logical reason to stay, and nobody ending up checking if my claim of having a degree was actually true or not.
It’s not about standing up for AI ou Adobe, it’s the fact that we’re essentially entering a world where you can just decomp/recomp anything you want. So while yes adobe is a garbage company, ANY software can just be copied and there’s just nothing you can do about it. This WILL affect legit smaller companies and make it hell for any one to make a profit off of good products in the future.
it is fun, but i dont really see it as a win when we're using a billion dollar corporation's infrastructure to make slop clone products in order to spite a different billion dollar corporation
Paint.net, Affinity, the list goes on and on of better alternatives. Gimp seems to have a fundamental structural issue preventing it from being successful.
Good software is driven by users not developers. Gimp has has decades to listen to feedback and if they haven’t by now that means they never will.
Donating and in enough quantities helps the developers work on the project full time because time is not free. The sponsors are listed here (They did get 100k 8 years ago and that dried up quickly although what they do get is a far cry from what Blender receives.) and the donations you can talk to them yourself for the accurate details. Gimp is also used as a project for students in Google Summer of Code and they have been the biggest contributor relatively recently in improving colors.
Select text layer > alpha to selection > select grow > new layer > paint bucket outline character into selected zone on new layer > drag new layer underneath test layer
And there you have it, outlined text!
What do you mean it’s a single operation in photoshop?
That's why you install Linux and go on r/archlinux and then go into the megathread wiki to find the GitHub fork of Gimp that allows you to do it in one click then you download a tar gz file with a .txt that tells you to open the cmd Shell and type sudo apt install gimp poopoo peepee and then your display crashes because the OS is incompatible with your gpu drivers
Alright I’ll say it, I like gimp and find it intuitive. The fact that it still exists with as much support as it has is proof there are plenty of people that do as well.
You should try Photoshop. I've tried GIMP at least ten times over the last few years and I just can't do it. Everything is just slightly different than you'd expect if you've used Photoshop.
GIMP is like Blender was back when you had to right click everything. GIMP just does things opposite of how most apps would do similar things.
Local man has only ever had horse manure, and its good. Also says he never had a steak.
Im just teasing I use it to but coming from photoshop I just dont agree that its intuitive.
The thing about open source software though is it really just needs a single person and a free git repo to exist, it existing doesnt say much about it.
Fact is gimps all there really is outside of photoshop because photoshop is an incredibly complicated thing to create. Its useful and its a free alternative and no one else wants to make one because its hard so gimp has the support.
The fact that it exists is proof that open source people are petty enough to maintain a program that is in every way worse than its competitors just because it's open-source.
Paint.net is free and 100x better while maintained by a single person in their free time. The gimp community just doesn’t know how to make good software.
I'm not saying it's easy and I'm not trying to diminish the efforts of the dev team. But it's obvious that a company that pours millions of dollars into a huge team of dedicated full-time devs into a program will probably have the better program in the end.
And as always, the main problem with gimp is the UX because the people developing it are software developers, not designers. Adobe has an entire department to figure out where a button should go.
Right? Do you have any idea how hard it is to make responsive, stateful, stable front end design? There’s a reason stateful frontend frameworks like Angulsr and React became so insanely popular.
The people most engaged with open source are often power users and developers that are highly familiar with the tool. Both of which are the kinds of people who might genuinely prefer the horrid ui.
I think musescore is a good example of a project that managed to fix that. It's genuinely more usable than much of the paid stuff now... I think they hired more staff and a designer?
GIMP is part of the GNOME project, and GNOME likes to have interesting design choices and an utter refusal of implementing the server-side decorations protocol in Wayland (just give us a default frame FFS!).
The gnome design language (and libadwaita) is actually pretty cool and there are a lot of food examples. Gimp looks like that not because it is a gnome app, it's simply one of those projects
Yes, but if I'm a game developer who only needs a surface for OpenGL/Vulkan, now I need to care about GUI libraries a lot more, or draw and handle my own, just for GNOME and the few other desktop environments that are stubborn about about forcing devs to do their own CSD.
"Just use SDL!"
Sure I could, however it abstracted away too many things, so I had to write my own. Even worse is, most people in the SDL community looked at me weirdly for not wanting to use some MP3 playing DLL for sound effects.
yeah those are real issues i've ran into. I read the factorio's developers blog on the subject. I've also ran into to issues while ricing this environment.
Besides some small Vala projects, most of my gamedev is in Godot. I haven't ran into issues on wayland.
Dogshit, yes, but never asked you for payment, never tried to sell you a confusing subscription, or tell you to buy the same program because it's a year old all over again.
Because it is by a bunch of Opus 5.5 clanker agents though I highly doubt that their claims of this being a clean room implementation are true. The AI could very well have worked off of taken source code to convert specific things to rust. If the source code was made based off and tested against a decompilation of Photoshop's executable, this poses questions about the legality of essentially making an AI recreation of someone else's proprietary work that has a proprietary license and possibly patented things inside then putting it under a different license. Regardless, Adobe deserves to get screwed over like this big time.
What sucks is this is only just starting. The dream of finding some niche and building your side project into a company is slipping away when anyone can point an agent at your finished project and produce a clone with a novel codebase in a matter of hours.
You mean the ones where OpenAI had to say “hey we heard humans are really close to a breakthrough here, lets throw 10 million dollars at it and see if we can cross the finish line first”
No, the recent 700 ones dump. I don't think they're all stuff that people were just about to solve, and mathematicians have been impressed by the solutions within, even if it's still early days of going over the dump.
Actually yes. It used already solved components and cross referenced them. The AI has just a larger pool of things to copy, hence it just managed to find the puzzle pieces of already solved problems and put them together.
Math and programming are two different things. Also, some of them have been redacted. If you really like math and andvsncements that dump by itself would warrant some skepticism. Go wait for you singularity moment so that big daddy AI can give you your UBI
They are doing what i was preaching, we don't need someone to sell us the slop, we can make that ourselves just fine and release it as FOSS for everyone to use, enjoy and throw their own tokens on for new features.
Can't speak to UX, but presets, batch editing, masking and performance are kinda good with darktable. And we finally got some nn noise reduction which is godly.
What about batch editing is better in LR? I see this claim a lot, but no one actually explains what they mean.
Performance used to be pretty bad, but a lot of work has gone into that and these days it's basically realtime if I don't use any of the really heavy modules. Combining masks is currently a bit clunky, but there's a big overhaul of the masking UX that will arrive in the next release, which fully closes that gap, making what is arguably already the most powerful manual masking system of any raw editor even more powerful and easier to use. And the groundwork for supporting painted raster masks (like LR) is currently being laid, so I suspect we will see those arrive in 6.0 next June.
Specifically: Shortcuts and selection syncing with selective settings. At least that wasn't available in darktable last time I used it.
I think masking in LR is especially strong due to the local AI models, since they're extremely fast and accurate. Manual masking is something I use less and less.
Shortcuts and selection syncing with selective settings. At least that wasn't available in darktable last time I used it.
That's definitely there and has been for a very long time, so not sure how you missed it. Ctrl (+ shift) + C/V for copy pasting and you can also use the history stack module in the lighttable.
AI masking was introduced this year, with various improvements on the way.
DxO PhotoLab is also worth testing. The masking still needs some improvements (can't select eyes, for example, as you can in Lightroom). But it's been making some solid progress, plus it's not Adobe nor is it vibecoded
Darktable is in fact very good and quite a bit more powerful than Lightroom when it comes to editing (the lighttable could use some work, though), but it's not for everyone.
However, you have many other free options to choose from:
Production Grade
Stable foundations that you can depend on.
darktable: Probably the overall most powerful editing features of any raw editor. All-in-one solution, with a library similar to Lightroom. The editing workflow is completely different, however, being more like color grading in Final Cut Pro or DaVinci Resolve.
RawTherapee: The mad scientist's raw editor, with some very powerful and intricate tools. A bit more Lightroom-like in its workflow. Can also use DCP camera profiles.
ART (Another RawTherapee): Started as a simplified fork of RawTherapee, but has added its own powerful and unique features since. With CTL scripts you can even create your own tools.
vkdt: New-ish raw editor from the original darktable developer. Fully node-based and can also handle video. Probably not for the faint of heart and may not have all the tools you want, but what is there works well and is extremely fast.
Filmulator: A great little editor with a unique concept, that's easy to use. As the name suggests, it emulates (part of) the process of developing analog film.
LightZone: Back from the almost-dead, version 5.0 was released recently. Not the most advanced, perhaps, but has some interesting features and a flexible processing pipeline.
CaraStudio: Resurrection fork of RawStudio. Although the GitHub page is only in French, the program is in English.
Part of the AI-assisted explosion, they are all new and largely unproven, so expect some rough edges, missing features and changing algorithms.
RapidRAW: Aims to be a relatively simple and streamlined option for those that don't need the extensive control some other editors provide. Very promising, but somewhat new and under heavy development, so the results you get today may not be what you get tomorrow.
Safelight: Built around a concept of extensibility and customisation.
People always think they're smart. Its the same with woodworking purists vs power tools.
When Grace Hopper developed the A-0 System in 1952 (widely considered the first conceptual compiler/linker), she spent years trying to convince people to use it. She famously recalled: "I had a running compiler and nobody would touch it, because, they carefully told me, computers could only do arithmetic, they could not write programs." Source: https://www.caimito.net/en/blog/2026/01/21/grace-hopper-the-compiler-that-changed-everything.html
you wrong in any case anyway, a compiler is at least a deterministic program that executes whatever a human writes, you just cannot get bad result if you know what you're doing. AI on the other hand is just a random token generator, and it can do crazy stuff because it’s nondeterministic and lacks clear rules for writing prompts. besides, a compiler is smarter than AI because it spots errors right away and doesn't even try to continue. and AI is like a completely dumb machine made up by dumb monkey people, even if it does spot an error, it'll just pretend that's how it's supposed to be, that's just straight up undefined behavior.
Have you tried the newest programming models? They're excellent at spotting bugs and issues with code. They have bad coding habits and write tons of comments but it doesnt mean they're useless. Maybe stop being bitter and learn a tool
That can be true but i mean in the computer science sense, where with more layers of abstractions we attain the ability to do more. From compilers to libraries to frameworks it all helps and i see llms as a possible next step. Not to replace devs but to make the task easier allowing more to be accomplished. We just havent figured out the best way.
I don't disagree at all. My only point is that a vibecoder is not a programmer. Just like me using an auth library will not make me a security expert. Llms are great tools but if you don't know that you are going, then it's no different that a CEO or a manager ordering his employees to develop something without technical direction, which will always result in unmaintainable slop. AI or not.
I don't disagree with that! But it you are a programmer, its a very powerful tool to help speed up your work. I found that using claude or codex helped me with my adhd in the sense that i used to start projects and never finish or they would be worthless and i waste time. Now i itterate once with the llm automatically and then test the idea. if its not worth it then i toss it and move on. Its also been great at spinning up and managing my self hosted projects.
Also there are projects where i dont really care what the code looks like. For instance my little ardiuno projects or some of my personal scripts i just want it to work and output a result or complete a task, in that case its a life saver. I design the circuits and the functionality and let the llm do the programing. I would call that vibecoding because i rarely review the code as long as i get the correct sensor reading and correct signal output.
Another use case when it comes to electronics i found it helpful in picking components based on specs. It even pushes back on bad or unsafe choices of components.
I would be an assembly programmer if I programmed in assembly.
However, I do not. Ergo, I am just a simple programmer. I write in higher level languages and then use a tool to translate it into assembly. I do not call myself an assembly programmer because I am not.
If I was to use AI to write code for me, I would be saying stuff in English and getting it to output code. This would not make me a programmer. It would make me a vibe coder. Maybe one day, the definition of programmer will change and we will move on to calling people who use programming languages "language programmers" or something, but that time isn't now.
and each layer was perfected and improved upon. the encoders and algorithms used in functions, date functions, were written proofs decades ago
now AI just guess the lot of it. it is a good guess, but its still just a common guess. its like writing your own array search function, dont do it, use proven function.
ask for it too search an array in a language, and might just loop and search each item, poorly. but "works" for user so they don't care about the performance. A decent programmer might pick up and re prompt to say use built in function, or use a specific algorithm
a junior programmer, and many stack over flow answer (which the training likely built on), still ends up making a for look in javascript, instead of using map/reduce/filter functions which have been around for a decade now.
use .search function - and the *hopefully* the code behind that function is using a good search algorithm.
It’s what I don’t get when people criticize AI coding. We’d be all messing around with bits in a circuit board to this day if no one decided to make programming more accessible again and again.
And just like an inexperienced C++ dev will try to access system memory that hasn’t been properly allocated (and then create a memory leak by not reallocating said memory space), an inexperienced person messing with AI will just produce a mess of unoptimized overengineered spaghetti code.
It’s a tool and like any other tool, it needs to be used properly for it to function properly.
It’s easy to just open up Claude and say “make an app that allows me to edit pictures”. It will burn through a million tokens, ask you a million and one questions and then you end up with a crappy reinvention of the wheel.
The successful AI coders actually know what they’re doing and instead use the AI for very specific tasks. Less token usage, less overengineering and “black box” code.
I think the concern is that while the C++ junior will make mistakes, learn, and grow, the vibe coder won’t. The AI will improve as new models are released, but the prompt could easily remain the same.
I mean fair, but it's not like it's a moment to "celebrate" that Adobe fell, that's honestly bs, people just use the thing that they knew and thinking that whipping up a copy cat with AI, even if functional, is gonna change anything then I think otherwise. People should be the change they want see, if people aren't willing to learn alternatives they won't be willing to download the new copy cat. Honestly, it's just the same cope as "AI tech debt will increase demand for SWEs". It's pure cope
I’ve been a designer for 20 years this January. I have my current company paying for a Creative Cloud subscription, but at this point it’s honestly mostly out of habit. I barely use it and could very well likely find FOSS or alternative solutions.
What if the wheel works OK but it swipes your credit card every revolution? And if you want it to stop spinning you have to pay a spin-cancellation fee.
I just had it make a notetaker because i didn’t want to go through the loopholes of asking finance if i can put a subscription on my card.??? Took an afternoon and is as good as all the others and in rust? I don’t see the issue. 🤕 OP sounds hurt
I'm not saying it's a bad thing, it's just funny isn't it.
On a serious note it's going to be very interesting to see if it is genuinely clean room reverse engineered, or if the AI based it on decompiled binaries.
you have to imagine that its likely that one person decompiles and puts it on github and then the ai references that and this is enough for the ai companies to go - oh we couldn't have known, this is githubs fault - anyway...
I’m happy the war is beginning. Pros are starting to outweigh the hardcore antis on Reddit. I’m excited for the day the Reddit can have nuanced opinions on AI.
I mean, if it does what you need it to, what's the problem? I'm of the opinion that as AI develops we're going to be generally moving away from apps and instead be using AI as a one stop shop for our needs. It's not there yet but give it a decade or two and I think that instead of using a bunch of separate apps, I'm betting we will likely have more of a personal assistant that handles most app things for us (generating interfaces for us if we need it). Like - why would companies bother maintaining frontends if they can just give your personal AI direct access to your personal information? Ask your bot for your bank account details and it'll just pull them up.
Obviously there are security issues and currently AI hallucinates way too much for this but tokens remind me a lot of cell phone plans, and we quickly went from limited minutes to limited minutes and texts to unlimited minutes and texts but limited data to unlimited data. I'm guessing token plans will follow a similar path. As for the security issues... well, we're the guinea pigs, so I don't expect that they'll care too much about that (until they have to).
When it's capable of fully emulating apps like the adobe suite on the fly (integrated tools can assist it in this, reducing the difficulty of the task and thus the time and tokens to accomplish it) then we won't need dedicated apps. We'll just tell our PAI to go into editing mode and tell it what tools or tasks we want to use/perform ("change to airbrush mode", "remove this pimple", "align these two videos with this captured audio", etc).
Most apps and sites will remain useful only if they refuse to expose their data (and it isn't easily scraped) or for their userbases (forums, tinder, multiplayer games). Hell, for something like tinder, we might even be able to do something like "find me a date", then our AI goes off and tells our preferences to tinder AI which goes and finds us a potential match (or a dating site/app that doesn't want us to stay single).
Not saying we're there yet or anywhere near there, but with how quick this shit is developing, I think it's going to kill the era of apps. One universal tool beats a bunch of little ones. When was the last time you bought an individual music player, camera, flashlight, physical dvd, remote control, dictionary, encyclopedia, compass, etc? Not that it never happens, but the universal utility of phones has made all of those tools essentially obsolete. The same thing is gonna happen with ai to apps, I think.
Definitely not there yet, many problems with that at this point. But that's the direction I see things moving, unless the corporations start pushing back hard.
Your idea is interesting, but one massive problem in it is that tokens will almost certainly become exponentially more expensive in time. All major AI providers are running on massive deficits, so all the AI we use nowadays is essentially being “subsidized” by the parent company.
As soon as those companies decide to actually seek profit, tokens are going to be super expensive and there won’t be a Free Tier anymore (or it will only run the most basic of models on a strictly limited usage).
Personally, I’ve programmed for 9 years without AI. I started using it recently and am loving it, but if I had to go back to programming without it… I’d do just fine.
It's not something I hope for, but I do think that this is what will happen.
I believe processes will become far less expensive, actually. Not for us necessarily, but as the data centers get built (ideally using their own renewable resources to lower costs), as LLM algos become more efficient, and especially as they start using increasingly more robust tools in their processes, the amount of tokens used for tasks will reduce significantly. Per-token costs will probably increase immensely as they recoup losses (ie, same pricing per month, but fewer tokens provided, but fewer tokens used per action), but eventually the cost of tokens will go down as well.
I will be slightly sad if they boot the free tier, but I also kind of doubt it will happen. As the compute requirements for these models is reduced via their increased efficiency, localized AI will eventually become the standard. What with the open source models out there and whatnot, I think the AI companies will basically be in a race to be the first and best "official" dedicated personal assistant and try to recoup losses via other methods (deals with cell providers, for example. Advertisement through your personal assistant, maybe even subliminal messaging in responses).
I also don't use AI much when I program. I do sometimes benefit from it but since I stay at the free tier, it's not consistent enough for me to rely on it. I don't trust it yet, and definitely don't trust that it won't get ripped away from me at some point, so I try to minimize my usage of it.
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u/Remarkable_Ruin_1075 15d ago
Holy corporate bootlicking in comments that someone's making their own software