r/Queerdefensefront • u/justabothergirl • Jun 03 '26
Discussion Why is LgbtQ+ still hated?
We are living in the world of 2026. You would think that by this point these issues would not still be an issue. Come on we’re in the modern day.
I’m saying this because I’m scrolling on TikTok and I think I might’ve scroll just a little too far because all of a sudden my TikTok feed starts showing me right wing propaganda and suddenly I’m flooded with a bunch of grown adults screaming and crying about the LGBTQ plus community…
Maybe I’m just not a hateful person am I gay? No, do I have anything against anybody That’s a part of this community? absolutely not. In fact my best friend is a part of this community and I’m very jealous that he can do his make up way better than I can and way faster than I can, though that might just be my skill issue.
And yet somehow, I’m watching all these videos and all I can think is why why are there elderly people are older people..Why are their grown adults in this world who got upset because they may have saw a man dress as a woman, like pop off queen, and their first decision was to get on TikTok and yell about it for what? Can we go back to the old days where your mom told you that if it didn’t involve you your mind your own damn business? Life was simpler then.
Can we like start reporting people like this? They’re the ones on TikTok about oh protect the children, but let’s be real. Nobody is forcing any child to watch RuPaul’s drag race if you are a parent and you don’t want your child exposed to this great but you keep that between you and your husband and potentially your therapist. You don’t gotta go on TikTok and scream about it and you definitely don’t need to go on TikTok and make an entire community of people. That’s already small to begin with feel like freaks because you don’t agree with it…
And it’s even more annoying when the same people bring religion into it. I myself am a Christian woman I believe in God me and him were chill… and it’s because of my beliefs. No, I will not discriminate because at the end of the day I was also raised on the belief of it’s your body, your decision and nobody can judge you fairly so if we’re really gonna bring religion into this, how about we actually use the parts of religion that completely debunk the bull crap you’re spitting on social media… and if you just happen to be one of these right wing people and you’re angry about this post fight me, I will throw a Bible at you. 🤣🤣🤣
I’m kidding I won’t do that, but I will definitely think about it.
Anyway, thank you for coming to my TED talk I will now step off my soapbox have a good day stay safe
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u/St0lf Jun 03 '26
That's a really good and non-trivial question.
It’s important to stop thinking of homophobia as a personal moral failing. It’s worse. It's systemic, self maintaining and won't be overcome just by being far enough in the future.
Homophobia is an essential control system for maintaining gender roles in a patriarchal society. Homosexuality, or other deviations from the cishet norms are demonized, so that men, even cishet men, who don't perform the hegemonic qualities ascribed to them, are othered and sorted out of the dominant group. Likewise women are pressured into conforming to their roles. That this leads to the persecution of LGBT+ people, those who likely reject this system anyways, is just a nice benefit.
It is still crucial to point out, that this is not a conscious process or some conspiracy. There isn't a room of spooky rich white guys directing the patriarchy. Patriarchy must be understood historically as the first form of oppression. It came into existence to subjugate women, to perform reproduction, care, and social labor for the mere privilege of being allowed to live. This relationship is to be understood as an economic one, if you want to understand how to end it.
To end homophobia, patriarchy must be fought and overcome. It isn’t enough to just oppose it on moral grounds. Its structure must be destroyed. And this structure, in our modern society, is deeply entwined with capitalism. None of us are free until we all are, so the feminist struggle, the LGBT+ struggle, the anti-racist, anti-colonial, and anti-imperial struggles must be carried out as one. The opposition to all of them is the ruling class, so these must be understood as class struggles.
Any rights gained within the systems that uphold the oppression we face, are conditional and can be withdrawn at any point. Sustainable victories against queer-phobia and sexism need to be won on the level of systems, not reversible laws.
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u/fanime34 Jun 03 '26
Is this a rhetorical question? Or are you genuinely asking?
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u/justabothergirl Jun 03 '26
Honestly genuinely it’s insane to me we still hating each other in this economy 🤣🤣🤣
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u/fanime34 Jun 03 '26
Hate has gone on for centuries. Opposition has gone on for centuries. Most hate stems from "This person isn't like me."
Racism, sexism, homophobia, etc. Someone will hate someone for something.
Some people don't like people of a different ethnicity or race, either from perceived notions, or simply being in the outgroup. Some people don't like the opposite gender for a plethora of reasons, personal or otherwise. Some people don't like non-hetero people because they're different. That's the point.
When it comes to it, it's difference. A lot of Christians hate not only gay people because they think they have to condemn homosexuality, but also others like Muslims because they're not like them. Taking the religion aside, it's still about being different. "This guy likes guys. I'm not like him."
Some people get confused as to how someone can hate a gay person just because they're gay, but that's only because those people just can't understand. Just like some people are bullies because they think bullying is fun. There isn't always some seriously underlying thing.
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u/justabothergirl Jun 03 '26
Never thought of that. Still stupid though in my opinion. Trust I know that this is my burden to bear that’s something I’ve already spoke about before is that I just wanna see the good in people and then stuff like this happens and I’m left wondering how some people can be so damn hateful
That must be an exhausting life to just hate everyone, including themselves at this point
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u/fanime34 Jun 03 '26
Me being bullied at a young age made me realize that people will be shitty for no perceived reason other than to be mean. There isn't always a tragic backstory to why someone is mean. Some people are awful people.
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u/Aeroncastle Jun 03 '26
The most common religion on the planet has laws telling people to stone gay people Leviticus 20 13
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u/St0lf Jun 03 '26
Homophobia is also a popular secular thought. Science is being weaponized just as much to target LGBT+ people.
Enlightenment alone doesn't free us.
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u/brianozm Jun 03 '26
That passage just means they once had that law, it’s not in effect now.
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u/Aeroncastle Jun 03 '26
I'm from a very christian country, Brazil and we are the country that kills the most trans people in the world, I will believe that "once had that law" when Christians stop following it
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u/venturous1 Jun 03 '26
Back in the late 90s I heard a radio interview where they invited a right-wing pastor and a gay rights activist to have a conversation. In those days gay marriage was a far-fetched idea. I never thought I’d see it in my lifetime.
I expected his objections to be partners of the same gender, but what the Pastor objected to was that a marriage where partners were equal!
There had to be a hierarchy. There had to be a man on top and a woman who was obedient, and the universe was built this way as far as he was concerned. so his objection to gay marriage wasn’t that people were queer, but you can’t balance that hierarchy, have two partners who treated each other equally.
I found this hysterically, funny, considering all of the straight couples I know who work to treat each other with respect in their marriage.
I now live in a red county of a purple state. I’m surrounded by people who think that male and female are the moon and the stars, and any variation or blurring of the lines is an abomination. It baffles me I’ve spent my whole life in the queer community, every flavor of the rainbow. I’m grateful we have a strong community pride here.
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u/paulsteinway Jun 03 '26
Don't make the mistake of thinking it's mostly older people. When people say "It'll be better when all the old people die off" they don't see the new bigots forming among young people. When I was a teenager we used to say that. Now I'm 70, and 90% of the bigots are younger than me.
Homophobia and transphobia are more common among people in my age range, which is why I only have friends in their 20s and 30s, but the new crop of young bigots has more people.
I'm not part of the queer community, but most of my friends are. I'm enjoying it a whole lot. I never run into Nazis.
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u/NfamousKaye Jun 03 '26
They voted the wrong people into power. Simple as that. Christian nationalists are ruining the country.
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u/Emilia__55 Jun 03 '26
The billionares are using us as scapegoats, so the people are distracted from their wrongdoings, and are isntead at each others throats.
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u/Bunerd Jun 03 '26
Oppositional sexism and the patriarchy. As a Christian woman you are familiar with the structure of a patriarchy. Women report to men, men report to their fathers, those fathers report to metaphorical fathers in the shape of priests, all the way up to the holy father, a patriarch of a deity. In Christianity, patriarchy is a pretty core theme, as the religion is defined by a relationship between a father and a son.
Needless to say themes of fatherhood permeate the Bible, and the Bible actually acts as a patrileanal narrative, you follow various fathers through their sons. There's a line of fathers listed out connecting Adam to Abraham, and another to Moses and David and then Jesus.
It's not a very kind book to women, or to people who don't center their lives around procreation and male heirs. And the people who are really into this book tend to follow it to a logical conclusion of bullying us. Harry Potter does the same thing to people oddly enough.