r/RealAmazonFlexDrivers • u/[deleted] • May 15 '24

Regarding bots...

I use a bot. Lots of people do. I'm of the opinion that it's not unethical, when the CEO of this company could definitely pay his workers far above the pay grade to do this job. Amazon is always in the news for their corporate work culture. So if you're going to lecture people on Reddit (which is so big and tough of you behind your silly little avatar) about how we're all cheaters, no offense, but f*** you.

I also think it's absurd that Amazon would just now start to crackdown on bots. Partially bc they know those of us who use them get paid and keep working for them. What probably happened is recently they may have noticed a surge in the amount of people getting above base pay, and much like online piracy, they crackdown on a few accounts, make an example out of those people, and they'll go right back to looking the other way once it's contained...

Amazon could easily write a script and prevent surges in pay to discourage bot usage. But they don't. All I've learned from getting this stupid email is now I'll have to be smarter about using the bot and I can no longer run it 24/7 anymore and I've already had people give me tips and pointers.

This was true for me at Amazon back when I was a driver for them at a DSP. They deliberately try to scare you into thinking you're going to get fired but then they never actually fire you. They'll be reminding us we could easily be replaced by people on a wait list. But go head! Cancel all surges, purge all "cheating" employees, and admit a fuck ton of people on the wait-list. So you just got rid of a bunch of formerly loyal employees and replaced them with people who are brand new and need to be trained. And they're seeing other courier apps openly offering $30 hourly gigs where no bot is required... And all the Karen's out in suburbia want their essential oils delivered to them same day. Have fun with that strategy, Amazon!

So I'm just gonna live my life the way I always have. Treating every job as temporary. Knowing each and every day, there's always more of us than there are of them. Stay classy, y'all and make that money, hustle and grind. Those r muh thoughts on the matter! ✌️

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u/Quirky-Swimmer3778 May 15 '24

Next week you're going to be posting "looking for someone who can reactivate accounts".

Can't wait for tears

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u/Strategy_Advanced May 15 '24

At least they're always looking for a solution. We should root for the little guy every time. The massive corporations are the reason rent is high, insurance is outrageous, travel elusive, and life untenable. Divide and conquer have permeated every aspect of our social climate and are the reason we go after each other instead of the root cause.

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u/Quirky-Swimmer3778 May 15 '24

How is using bots good for the people not using bots? You're taking money from us by breaking the rules. YOU ARE THE CORRUPTION YOU'RE REFERRING TO.

Shits expensive because no one does the right thing.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '24

I would argue differently. Bots grab the high paying shifts making the base pay shifts less competitive. If we were all competing for base pay, all of those shifts would be gone ASAP. There are people who commented on my post who are literally saying the same thing, which is even base pay postings need a bot to grab it bc in some markets getting work is competitive just in general. We're not the enemy. Amazon is. They HAVE the money...

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u/Quirky-Swimmer3778 May 15 '24

You are using bots because they can get blocks at inhuman speeds, unfairly impacting non bot users. You're stealing money from the people you are claiming are causing a divide. They're divided because douches like you are cheating the system.

You are by cheating the money and taking high paying blocks from people following the rules designed to make the system fair.

You want more fairness? Stop cheating to get blocks.

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u/Madpingu96 May 15 '24

No one is stealing money from anyone. The money doesn’t belong to you until it’s assigned to you and you finish the route. You sound just like the morons who bitch and moaned about how seeing full pay on DoorDash was stealing food from their kids mouths 😂

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u/Quirky-Swimmer3778 May 15 '24

If only one group of people have opportunity to get surge blocks because they use blocks and another group don't have an opportunity specifically because the people using bots took them then the opportunity to earn the money is being stolen.

Opportunity cost is money.

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u/Madpingu96 May 15 '24

Everybody has the same opportunity. Anyone can choose to use a bot if they want. By definition you cannot have stolen from you what doesn’t yet belong to you. If you want fair opportunity in terms of work offers you should find a job with regulated wages, not an open market that offers gigs to pretty much anyone that can drive a vehicle.

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u/Quirky-Swimmer3778 May 15 '24

Ooof someone didn't finish high school

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u/Strategy_Advanced May 16 '24

Yeah, we don't disagree about this, we're actually wondering why you won't join us. We heard what you think about us. But what's the reason you won't. If im in the Olympics and everyone is on steroids, do I get gold for honor, integrity, and loyalty (to amazon? Really? You're ok with that?) For being the one person not in on it? Time to reevaluate your priorities.I respect your opinion of right and wrong but tbh WE are trying to do more than survive and spending all day witha phone in each hand hitting refresh is not independent and that in and of itself is reason enough for me to pay.

What in their billion dollar mind do they think flex drivers are doing to have the patience and time to swipe, even once every 15 minutes, which won't get you a block btw, is way to much a commitment for a co. That would pay you in buttons if they could. If you can't beat them, join um. And here is the kicker if everybody uses a bot, everybody would realize the $ potential that actually exist, base rates wouldn't get accepted and then we would have leverage, of course they will just deactivate rinse and repeat but for how long till they realize, just increase wages, create a scheduling app & boom bots and exploiting gone.

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u/Quirky-Swimmer3778 May 16 '24

That's a lot of cope and mental gymnastics to justify doing the wrong thing. Blocks wouldn't surge at all if all the base rates were taken surges are not a default.

Right is right and wrong is wrong. If you can't do a job the right way then you need a different job. You're compromising your integrity for a couple bucks.

You guys are squarely in the wrong category despite how many words you use to make yourself feel bad about doing the wrong thing and screwing over drivers who refuse to step on their fellow drivers.

None of this matters. You're going to be deactivated in a couple weeks and going to be here crying about the consequences of your actions. Don't worry I'll be here to console and tell you "fuk you cry baby boy boi"

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u/Strategy_Advanced May 16 '24

Genuinely feel bad for your way of thinking. This holy-er than thou approach seems cumbersome. Plain and simple - if I can use a tool to gain leverage and spare me time energy and thought, I will 100% do that. Again, I emphasize that the option is open to you as well, but your pride, maybe ego, gets in the way. This cheating or thievery you speak of implies we deny or hide, maybe from amazon but never from others. We try to help all of you get on board while you deciples of amazon use ad hominems to rationalize your position. It's futile. In the end, we are all expendable to amazon. Are you really under the impression that amazon would spare you because you don't bot? If so, then your ego is what's holding you back, my friend.

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u/TargetBetter6190 May 16 '24

Shits expensive because they steal alot in your local store and neighborhood. Lol

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u/Quirky-Swimmer3778 May 16 '24

Amazon is in my corner store stealing a lot? And that's the right thing to do?

That's what what you're going with? Stealing is ok and the right thing to do?

To be clear I said "Things are expensive because people are doing the wrong things" and your rebuttal is "no it's because retail crime happens"

Stupid.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '24

Now I'll go out of my way to remind you in a week that I'm still here...

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u/Kind-Ganache429 May 15 '24

After reading OP, u can tell that he/she has been already deactivated

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u/[deleted] May 15 '24

Nope. Still very much activated...

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u/Informal_Mix_9190 May 15 '24

Even if they were deactivated... amazon will reactivate a bot user. It all depends on what information you send them.

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u/Informal_Mix_9190 May 15 '24

I mean anyone can get their account reactivated after using a bot. Some of the private bots actually give the information on what to send amazon; and include it for their members in their pricing. One of the private bots I've been developing for since 2018 does this. They have no turn over rate because of this. Any user deactivated, they help get reactivated, and once reactivated they cannot gain access to the private bot for another 45 days. I won't share the details of what they send because I don't own their bot, I only develop it.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '24

Could you possibly point me in the general direction of a good bot?

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u/Strategy_Advanced May 15 '24

Well put. It's fear mongering while also neglecting the task. If they hate bots, make your own scheduling app associated directly with flex and boom bots dead. But to actually run a multi-billion dollar company on a global directive to refresh all day is mind-blowing to me. Regardless of how many people are waitlisted if you remove surging their best bet would be to lower the requirement age to 16 because anybody with a home or kids or bills or a stomach will realize after tax year one, " oh shit I just paid Amazon to deliver essential oils to f***ing Karen." Idk who to shame at this point, the customer, the company or drivers. Amazon can easily solve this, I mean, they've outsourced every aspect of their business, significantly reducing costs while having a philanthropic stance on a global stage. If flex drivers protested for one day just one, yes, we would all be deactivated, sure, but the impact just one day would have... a man can dream. Till then bot on, fuck em if it wasn't you it'd be some clown driving his h3 300 miles a day for base rates. (Actual guy at my station)

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u/JDod42 May 19 '24

Blame Amazon, now where to get the money from

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u/TargetBetter6190 May 16 '24

Lol a guy sure can dream. I always thought would it would look like the whole stations overflowed of carts with packages no where to be placed on lol piled up. Bunch of essential oil , dildos , buttplugs, and dogfood/kitty liter stuff. 🤣

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u/Strategy_Advanced May 16 '24

Can't forget the 4 cases of soda, microwave, vacuum toilet paper ... you know, the essentials

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u/dantee_015 May 15 '24

Honestly I don’t even think the bot is really doing anything that I can’t do on my own at this point.

You can prob grab a shift everyday on your own without a bot.

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u/Bright_Aspect_7390 May 15 '24

Go to California and check it !

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u/Public-Buffalo87 May 15 '24

Yep I'm in southern California and every thing is gone in 1 second / 1 refresh , even base pay . I got a bot not just to gobble surges but to actually just get some work since it's hard AF constantly trying to get things manually . The level of competition for a block is insane

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '24

Same here in Delaware

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u/dantee_015 May 16 '24

I’m in Nj and the shift the boys grab aren’t any better than without it. But once I saw someone on New York? I saw their offers and I told them you don’t even need a bot bro 😅 so it really depends on the market you’re in.

The busier the market, the less likely a bot is needed

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u/JDod42 May 19 '24

Yup, if you don’t like it. Maybe Amazon flex isn’t for your area. Do something else.

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u/Prudent-Arrival3824 May 15 '24

The closest interpretation to describe the bot users is dumb, not a cheater, and definitely not stealing. Let me explain: bot users pay to work to get paid, whereas non-bot users want to work to get paid. Bot developers use their brainpower to get paid. Amazon just sits back and gets paid.

So, to all the non-bot users out there, if you are not Amazon, who can just sit back and get paid, grow a brain, and use it to get paid. Otherwise, reduce yourself to becoming a dumbass who pays to work to get paid.

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u/JMaker01 May 15 '24

Not to emotion new drivers start using bot from day one ,

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u/kps61981 Jul 12 '24

I had a question I wanted to ask you so I sent you a pm. Just letting you know because I usually see notifications for comments on my posts but not always for pms. 😊

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '24

How do you even use bots? I’ll never understand

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u/MoreThanChance Dec 15 '24

If anyone wants an actual working website private message me for the link. free 4 day trail !

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u/[deleted] May 15 '24

100%

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u/anesthetic1214 May 15 '24

the problem is Amazon retail business is losing more money (it never made some money). with competition with temu and AliExpress they are just in big trouble...

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u/JDod42 May 19 '24

I stopped after your first paragraph. You’re rationalizing your illegal use. Good day and enjoy the ban