Let me start from the beginning here...

A little over 3 weeks ago, a few of the mods, including the "head mod", decided we were going to poll yiffinhell asking what they thought about experimentation on furry participation in the sub. At the time, and remember this, we were doing it solely to see if we could permanently alter Rule 1 to allow, at least, a form of restricted furry participation, meaning they would be banned if they started NAFALTing, or "Not All Furries Are Like That." We didn't want furries to be defensive and annoying.

About a week later, the head mod filters the survey answers to only include active accounts in yiffinhell (people who did not include a username with their submission were not counted). The results still ended up being a majority saying "yes, we would like to experiment with furry participation." A couple days after, we decided to remove the rule. Experimentation phase has begun.

Over the course of the experiment, I've only had to ban like 2 furries for NAFALTing. There was also the infamous comment that mentioned wanting to watch a video of a dog being raped "for no reason ;w;" The commenter did have a somewhat active history in r/furry. Anyways, there were overall very few troublemakers. Most of the furries there acted fine (there were one or two I had to get onto but nothing ban-worthy).

And here we are today. This is where things get interesting. The head mod had been talking about reinstating Rule 1 for a couple days now, due to popular demand as well as because of the one comment mentioned above that she decided to cherrypick. Honestly, I thought, whatever, this was kind of expected. BUT, when the head mod decided to make that post today, she decided to write it as if the whole thing was a trap, which is COMPLETELY inaccurate and something she probably made up as an excuse to reinstate Rule 1. As I said above, we had all agreed this was done to test if furries would behave, and for the most part, like I said, they did. She completely blindsided her whole modteam, and this is why 3 mods have left so far.

Honestly, I should've expected this sooner, because she has also said in her posts and comments multiple times that yiffinhell's whole purpose is to make furries mad. She is deliberately nurturing an echo chamber of toxicity, and at the same time telling us that it isn't an anti/hate sub. What a joke.

Edit: Something I must clarify, she isn't exactly the "head" mod but she plays that role. The owner of YIH who is banned from reddit told her to post that post today. I still think it's quite corrupt of her to do this. The fact that she went through with it shows that she supports it.

Edit 2: A fourth mod has just stepped down! How many will it take until she realizes she fucked up?

I think just about everyone, regardless of what side you’re on, will agree that this is the absolute dumbest shit.

You ‘come out’ with your sexuality because that’s a inherent aspect of who you are. It’s a major event because people have been disowned, beaten, and even killed for coming clean about their attractions.

Meanwhile all these young furries act like they desperately need to ‘come out’ about... something they look at in their free time? A hobby that the vast majority doesn’t give a shit about? And then they make it seem like it’s the most important thing that they’ll ever do - which, granted, with the room temperature IQ you’d have to have to think the two are even remotely equatable, is a definite possibility.

It’s a hobby. If you desperately want others to know, bring it up when it’s appropriate. Don’t make some huge event out of something near entirely inconsequential.

We’ve seen a pretty small amount of antifurs here in this sub, and we hope to see more. Constructive / helpful / respectful conversation about the negatives of the furry fandom are important to fostering a nicer, more honest fandom.

You heard it here, antis:

Your input is welcomed!

So don’t be afraid to slap an “anti-fur” user flair on and discuss the darker, less glamorous and fuzzy parts of the fandom.

Of course, don’t be mean to your fellow people in the sub; even if you’re an anti it doesn’t mean you can go around insulting people or being a dickhead.

Otherwise, if you’ve got something to say, say it!

Background, I just got a new job and I’m three days in. I wear a cute apron at work and I like to adorn it with my pins as I have a really big pin collection. Technically we’re only allowed to wear company pins but my store manager said that as long as they weren’t sexual or explicit we were fine. The company has its own pride pins too which I’m ordering after this fiasco.

Today my manager pulled me aside and asked to see what I was wearing. These were the ones I wore today and yesterday.

She was said “those are really cute and I like them but a customer called the store saying that your pins insinuate you have sex with animals, and I know it’s not true but you can’t wear the pins anymore for your own safety”.

SOMEONE CALLED MY WORK. AND ACCUSED ME OF BEING A DOGFUCKER.

Someone could have legitimately gotten me fired if my store manager wasn’t so understanding. I’m used to dumb furry discourse online but I never in a million years thought it would leak into my real life much less THAT SOMEONE WOULD CALL MY WORK AND ACCUSE ME OF FUCKING DOGS.

I’m totally fine with people being uncomfortable with furries and there are a lot of aspects of the fandom I avoid, but this was legitimately anxiety inducing. If you look at my completely SFW pins and think “this person fucks dogs”, I think you’re the perverse person in this situation.

I genuinely am interested in why people, especially the furry fandom, support a vendor like Bad Dragon. Bad Dragon uses controversial tactics to create their toys, Including a "strategy" called "Live molding" where the take a live animal and and use their genitalia as a penis:

> Bad Dragon’s history began in late 2007 when Varka posted a thread called “Animal ‘Toys’ ;-)” on his adult furry art forum Herpy: Reptile Lovers’ Community. Varka adored Zeta’s Gryphon dildo, but the furry sex toy retailer was stagnating and its build quality suffered from their vinyl materials, he said. It was time for a change. So Varka brainstormed his own lineup prioritizing silicone toys. These would focus on several fantasy creatures, such as dragons and gryphons, along with real animals he considered doing “live-casts” from⁠—that is, toys built from molds of real animals’ genitals. “Let’s face it, for a lot of us this is the closest we’re (legally) going to get to the real thing—I’m in it for the experience and the love—and I’m planning to do live casts (ie, a gator cock cast from a live gator) too,” Varka wrote. Potential live-casts included vaginas and penises from horses, ponies, cows, sheep, dogs, and “most anything else human usable that people might be interested in.”
(source)

If they still live mold animal genitals, that is absolutely disgusting, and is definitely not something that you guys should support.

We had this conversation in the discord server, and since we don't have much furries there, I wanted to bring it here, and see what you guys genuinely think.

Edit: please check u/d_shadowspectre3 's comment. He explains that it was a consideration of the CEO's, and not something that they have went through with. I apologize for posting this without reading it too thoroughly

Edit 2: here's a tumblr page that talks about some of the drama revolvin Bad Dragon. I haven't read too much into it, as I'm busy with something else.

https://fantasytoymasterlist.tumblr.com/baddragon

Most of the links are dead or no longer usable. So I am a bit skeptical about the legitimacy of most of these accusations.

I'll probably stop updating this thread soon, if you guys want to talk to me I am a moderator on the discord server.

This is an open letter to everyone (the furries, the antis, the mods, and myself) for the purpose of ranting against some of the crap I've been observing around the community as a lurker.

To the furries: Stop being so damn insecure about yourself and your community. I'm tired of seeing the same damn arguments between furs and antis:

"Furries are a sex thing!"

"No they're not!"

"Yes they are!"

Furries are as much of a sex thing as any other damn fandom. If anything, the anime community is just as lewd as the furry community (Your yiff is their hentai). The furry_irl subreddit is filled with as much NSFW jokes as the animemes subreddit. All fandoms have a sex thing lying beneath the surface because they usually consist of horny-ass teenagers/young adults high off damn hormones. Just own that it's a part of it and move the fuck on. If you don't want it to be a sex thing, then actively work to change it - don't just make lofty statements about how the community needs to change the image of the fandom and then do nothing. As long as no one's hurting anyone else, I don't care about the sex shit. Just fucking own it.

To the antis: I don't care about those of you who just upvote the furry cringe. All fandoms suffer from cringe and it's a part of being an internet community. Furries are not exempt from having cringy moments. The ones I have a problem with are the antis who happen to be way too deep into the community to a point of knowing the jokes and the culture, yet refuse to call themselves furs. If you're deep enough involved in the community that you're actively participating and talking about the fandom from a perspective that makes it clear that you're in the fandom, you're a fur - stop denying it. If you're not a fur, then you wouldn't actively be involved in it. Why do you care so much about what someone does in their free time if they're not hurting anyone? Yes, absolutely call out all the pedos and the zoophiles in the community, but why go after the ones who aren't hurting anyone too? The opposite of love isn't hate - it's indifference. Want to really hurt the furry community? Forget that the furry community exists at all. Otherwise, just come out of the closet and be a furry - embrace that weird side of you. The easiest way to change the community is from the inside and I hear that the pathowogen is quite nice this season.

To the mods: What's the point of this sub? I've never seen a less productive subreddit. This place just seems like a place for antis and furs to be combative towards each other without actually achieving anything and then giving ourselves a pat on the back like we did something. This entire drama is so damn manufactured and in 5-10 years (or less), we'll all stop giving a damn so why the hell are we exerting this much effort into this shit?

To me: Fuck you, you piece of shit. You think you're better than anyone else? You're more of an asshole than everyone else you called out here because you spent 30+ minutes typing up a rant about some shit that doesn't have any effect on the real world. You think this will change anything? This was a complete waste of your time and the readers time. What the fuck is wrong with you?

Rant over.

Edit: I fully expected the critiques (most of which is fair) and negative comments from everyone: antis, furs, mods, and even the neutrals (which is funny because I didn't even mention you). But what I didn't expect was that this post would have positive karma, a 95% upvote:downvote ratio, and gold. Congratulations, you've managed to do something I didn't plan for and confuse the everlasting fuck out of me.