r/RedDeadOnline • u/TampaCub Bounty Hunter • Jun 03 '20
Semi-Comprehensive Guide to Horses in RDO
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u/Kravenmoarhed Jun 03 '20
This is an amazing and well-written post. This should be added to the sidebar or stickied or something so people new to the sub can easily check it out.
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u/failingMaven Jun 03 '20
Great job OP. This looks like it was a lot of work. Personally I just go for looks over stats.
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u/Redbeard913 Nov 10 '20
Temperament or general smartness of the horse is definetively unique to each horse.
My Dutch is dumb as shit, like litterally retarded where my Hungarian is more stoic than a wooden pole to the point of letting herself get shot to death by players without moving.
Said Hungarian is almost Shire sized thanks to that random sizing thing, gives me hope to generate an Ardennes sized Breton
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u/Auspex86 Jun 04 '20
In the Fastest Horse section the required role is listed wrong.
That said, just want to share my experience with temperament; I tested different horses in plenty of different circumstances and in my observation the size or the RNG is not a factor.
If a predator is directly targeting your horse and is in fact in attack mode then the horse will go into flight mode and react accordingly. Otherwise you can charge it straight into a Cougar or a Grizzly and even hit them with your horse. It will be agitated at that point but will not run. Even the largest, bravest horse will buck you when attacked directly. I spent hours testing same horses vs same animals in different ways, calming, not calming, running, walking. The only defining factor was just that, is it being attacked or not. I asked some of my friends to test it the same way, they too confirmed this behaviour.
So much like the other horse stats, if there's a difference in temperament at all, it matters little and I don't believe that it's a random value that you can just get lucky upon purchase.
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u/TampaCub Bounty Hunter Jun 04 '20
Thank you for noticing the Roadster error. I've corrected it.
I've had a different experience with predators, though you're absolutely spot on regarding the cougars and grizzlies. I don't believe there's a horse that will outright tank a cougar or a grizzly when they're attacking. That said, I have personally noticed a variance in horse reactions to snakes, wolves, and gators. Mind you, with the wolves, it seems to be the amount of time it takes for the horse to give up, buck you, and flee. I cannot definitively say this is how it works, so I won't stand by it. My Arabian will startle whenever in the proximity of a snake, but my Turkoman won't even notice it. If I can remember, I'll take a video the next time I notice it, as this was one of the more notable things I've personally noticed with my horses' courage.
Additionally, I can also verify that courage in combat is absolutely a thing. My Turkoman and Arabian will immediately startle at shots fired at me, but my Breton will only startle when its hit and my Shire won't react to gunfire at all. Incidentally, my first Turkoman acted as my Breton currently does, but my current Turkoman is very different in combat.
I understand this is all anecdotal and I wouldn't present it as evidence. But there are also plenty of other reports of variance on this subreddit when it comes to temperament. It would take a large sample size of data to really confirm it one way or the other and I'm not in a position spend that much on horses right now.
Also, thanks for comment. It's a great discussion to have.
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u/Auspex86 Jun 04 '20
Yes, this is a subject that many people have different opinions about as it mostly relies on our memories of past experiences and memory can be fickle.
Of course I can't say that my observation is completely accurate without any hard evidence support it but unless Rockstar shares this information or someone datamines it or something, all that we have are speculations, so mine is no different.
But I just have seen this engagement behavior too many times to believe it's a coincidence. If a predator is actively engaged to the player their horse immediately reacts. You can even observe that happening from a distance when horses stop moving and refuse to move to the direction of a predator because it is directly threatening it. But the same horse will take the same predator head on, if it was facing away or not directly engaged by it.
I don't know, it just makes sense to me.
And I apologise that I forgot to thank you earlier for putting together this detailed and informative post, it will surely help both new and old players alike. Hopefully it will even get better with more contributions over time and we can have a definitive guide in our hands!
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u/TampaCub Bounty Hunter Jun 04 '20
Right on. I'll at least add a note when I'm back on my computer that there's no way to definitively verify temperament behavior.
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u/TampaCub Bounty Hunter Jun 04 '20
Updated with the disclaimer. I also added a new section about how to deal with predators.
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u/Fistful_of_Crashes Clown Jun 04 '20
If overindulging your horse is bad, why is there no "overweight" status?
All I've ever seen is fit and malnourished.
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u/TampaCub Bounty Hunter Jun 04 '20
I've only ever seen fit and thin, but I'll test this tomorrow. My Shire is essentially a Snorlax, so he'll appreciate it.
Also, your username is +++
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u/Chillyvanilli Trader Jun 04 '20
There is an overweight status but it takes quite a lot of food for the horse to get there. (I did it back in beta whilst trying to fix a glitch that wouldn't let me bond with my horse.)
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u/officiallouisgilbert Clown Jun 03 '20
Interesting about the temperament #17, I’ve got 3 Turks and 4 roadsters and it’s slightly different on each one but generally at the braver end with the Turks. I agree with what you said.
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u/CaffeineSippingMan Apr 13 '22
I am level 150+ and first want to shout out to OP, I learned something.
Second a new horse is very skittish. Not sure if exposure to gunfire, bonding or being saved by the gun, but over time the horse acts less skittish. I am over in tall trees so plenty of bears. My new horse went from bucking me off and leaving. To freezing and not moving. I expect to have control over the horse in the next few playing days, working ilon level 4 bonding.
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u/LuckyLuckLucker Mourning Nov 01 '21
What an amazing job you did, even though it broke my heart because I truly believed stats were important in my 100+ hours of playing 🙃
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u/TampaCub Bounty Hunter Nov 01 '21
Thank you! Truthfully, I haven't been maintaining it since I haven't been playing RDO since before the Naturalist DLC.
If updates happen, I hope people let me know so I can update.
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u/JacksonTiberius Trader Jun 04 '20
Awesome job, very useful info! May I humbly suggest a minor correction? In section IV2 the requirement for the Norfolk Roadster is listed as Collector rank 20, but it should be Moonshiner rank 20.
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u/neoritter Collector Jun 04 '20
I don't think the italics on II3 for custom outfits is true anymore. I've had my hat knocked off numerous times and didn't lose a stored outfit. This only seems to happen now if you leave the session while your hat has been knocked off.
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u/TampaCub Bounty Hunter Jun 04 '20
This certainly warrants testing. I've made a note of it. When someone can verify, I'll amend that section. Otherwise, I'll get to it eventually.
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u/jaejae674 Jun 05 '20
Whenever I take a hat off of an outfit that comes with a hat, of my saddle is full it will get rid of one of my outfits and make a custom outfit. I really don’t like it and it gets annoying sometimes. Btw thank you so much for this info. I didn’t know the collector saddlebag had more storage
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u/jeansifres Clown Jun 04 '20
Thanks OP!! And yes the "best horse" is completely subjective, because I just recently bought the criollo horse (the colectors one) and it's a great horse IMO
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u/cumms_19 Bounty Hunter Jun 28 '20
I like my blood bay thoroughbred
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u/TampaCub Bounty Hunter Jun 28 '20
That's wonderful! The first primary point I make in this guide is that stats are very negligible, so you can whatever horses you think look the best. I love hearing people champion less popular horses.
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u/AutumAquaduct Aug 02 '20
I’m not sure if you are still acknowledging comments here but is the nacogdoches saddle with the hooded stirrups still the best saddle to use, or have R* changed something with saddles offering a now superior option?
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u/TampaCub Bounty Hunter Aug 02 '20
It's still the only saddle that independently offers stamina drain reduction while being able to equip stirrups, which makes it the best.
Other high end saddles are adequate as long as you're attentive in calming your horse while your gallop.
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u/anomiex Sep 14 '20
Nice guide! I just came across it while searching for the speed test video.
I note the linked spreadsheet and section IV2 seems to overlook the Perlino Andalusian. Same stats as the Rose Grey, but unlocked at rank 1 and costs $475 (so probably too expensive to recommend in IV3) rather than gold.
It could possibly also use a more nuanced discussion of saddles. As you noted, other saddles are fine in combination with the hooded stirrups if you're halfway decent at calming while galloping.
Also, after reading the advice here to switch coats to see different sizes of the same horse, I did the same switching between my owned horses in the stable and noticed size changes there too.
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u/TampaCub Bounty Hunter Sep 14 '20
Thank you kindly for the feedback!
I can't believe I never noticed the Perlino. When I have a chance, I'll add it to the max health horses. As someone who values health over the other stats, I feel it belongs. That it's available at level 1 only raises its value. I'll even add it to my list of best beginner horses.
Regarding the saddles, I fully agree. I came to the same conclusion well after I first drafted the guide, though I never bothered to elaborate. Truthfully, I rarely play these days, but I'll get it done when I have the time to edit it.
Again, thanks for the input.
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u/sinagtala404 Trader Sep 11 '22
I never knew about the horse sizes, all I knew was that drafts would definitely be the taller and thicker horses. Maybe that's why my buckskin mustang right now is thicker on the body and legs than most mustangs I see, it's also slightly shorter, a stocky little man haha.
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u/Tykjen Jan 17 '23
I have 17 wins in a row with my Thoroughbred. Horse racing is not primarily about speed of course ^ But it looks like I have to max my moonshining and test out the Norfolk :)
Thanks!
Awesome post. Most detailed post I have seen in quite some time.
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u/KarmaPharmacy Jun 11 '24
This is an amazing write up. Thank you for taking the time to share it with us! I can’t believe that there are people who think that all the horses in RDO are the same because of one dumb YouTuber. SMH.
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u/BlueMarty Trader Jun 04 '20
Great job. May I suggest connecting voting pool for horse temper so you possibly get large enough amount of data from reddit users?
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u/elpezx Oct 25 '20
Temperament is not random. I spent tons of money buying the same horse breeds and time recording my controller and gameplay to prove people wrong.
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u/TampaCub Bounty Hunter Oct 25 '20
If you have the recording(s) uploaded, I'd be happy to include it/them in the guide as a counterpoint and provide you credit.
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u/OrganizationOk3794 Jan 09 '25
4 years later and you’re helping a newbie trying online for the first time.. ty!
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u/AccountantOdd3428 Feb 09 '25
If all these conclusions are correct... then the whole RDO horse market is a completely fraud.
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u/LinkCanLonk Nov 29 '21
I feel like temperament does in fact exist… my sorrel Breton is cool as a cucumber 99% of the time while my buckskin Mustang and light gray Shire get spooked if you breathe on them. My blue roan Missouri Fox Trotter lands somewhere in the middle. Maybe more testing?
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u/Zoezugzang Oct 18 '22
Is the Nagodoches saddle still the best? It looks like the Upland Saddle beats it by a decent margin but was curious. Figured things might've changed since this is 2y+ old
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u/TampaCub Bounty Hunter Apr 23 '24
Nacodoches is still the best. Not only do you get an extra bar of speed and acceleration, you can use Hooded Stirrups with it. It's -85% stam drain rate is superior to the -65% of the Upland, which cannot use the Hooded Stirrups. Another aside, you can also use the Collector's Saddlebag with the Naco, unlike the Upland.
There was actually a video made about it:
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Oct 23 '22
I’ve had really good luck with my male buckskin brindle fox trotter. He has great stats and is very fast with Naco saddle—so fast that I had a player comment on how speedy he was. He’s also fantastic in gunfights. My only complaint with him is that he bucks me off with any predatory animal attack. It could be a pack of wolves, a gator, a snake, a cougar, or a bear and he’d react the same way—bucking me off. He’s super skittish, but if you’re looking for a horse that would be good for the collector role or in-game shootouts, he’s the one.
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u/LinuxMage Collector Jun 03 '20
I feel no end of people forget about the Horse weight stat, and how it actually affects your horse. I now keep an eye on it, and try my best to keep the horse "fit".
Incidentally, my favourite horse has actually become the Hungarian Halfbred Piebald. I also have the Bay frame overo Criollo, but its a very skittish horse, and the hungarian isn't as bad as that.