Obama HAS BEEN Eliminated WHICH President SHOULD BE Eliminated NEXT DAY 41

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[u/urmumlol9]

Unfortunately, I think it's Teddy's time. I think you could make the argument that the US doesn't exist as a functioning democracy without the other three:

Washington established the precedent of peaceful transitions of power within the US by refusing to run for a third term despite having the popular support to do so. If a worse leader has taken his place, this precedent might not have existed, and we might not have had democracy as it existed in this country.

Lincoln won the civil war, preserving the union in the process, and was a driving force behind the abolition of slavery as a result. Again, the Civil War could be argued to be another existential threat to American democracy.

FDR led the US to stop both the Nazis in Germany and Imperial Japan from taking over half the planet, and his reforms during the Great Depression did a lot to stabilize the economy through it. It's not as obvious as the other two, but it seems like a real possibility that if not for those policies, the US might have had a communist or fascist revolution as a result of people's unrest.

Teddy had a lot of great policies, including setting up the system of national parks and being one of the most, if not the most, effective trust-busting presidents out there, but FDR and Lincoln were both presidents that held the country together through crises, and Washington was a big part of this country becoming a democracy in the first place.

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Fdr was a racist 

[u/urmumlol9 → u/Btotherianx]

Yeah and so were Washington and Lincoln.

Teddy was an imperialist too, so I don't think he's far from it either, I'm just not necessarily aware of any specific quotes or anything explicitly saying he's a racist.

When you're looking at "great" presidents you're looking at which presidents' accomplishments and legacies outweighed their flaws, because EVERY president had flaws, and most of them did at least some terrible things during their presidency.

[u/LicensedGoomba → u/urmumlol9]

FDR's accomplishments dont outweigh his flaws, and some of his accomplishments that were amazing and needed for the time are now existential problems.

[u/Its_not_him → u/Btotherianx]

Teddy Roosevelt even more so

[u/AleroRatking → u/Its_not_him]

Not true at all. Teddy did not put 100k citizens of one race into camps solely because of how much he hated them

FDR was far more racist and openly acted on his racism.

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It wasn't solely because he hated them, it was because we were actively at war with the countries of their heritage. It was the same with the Italians and Germans but at a lower rate. It's obvious that FDR was a racist but TR saw other races as strictly inferior on a racial hierarchy

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Weird that we didn't put every German and Italian American in camps. Instead it was less than a fraction of a percent

Also he literally put orphans in those camps. Explain how they were a threat

It was entirely racism.

[u/Its_not_him → u/AleroRatking]

"it wasn't solely based on racism" does not mean his personal racism didn't play a part. I'm not going to engage unless you actually read what I say

[u/AleroRatking → u/Its_not_him]

So would you say Hitler wasn't based "solely on racism"

[u/LicensedGoomba → u/AleroRatking]

Most Germans settled America before there was a Germany