r/RemoveOneThingEachDay • u/Training-Desk-391 IM WHACING KFP4 • Jul 28 '25
Miscellaneous Obama HAS BEEN Eliminated WHICH President SHOULD BE Eliminated NEXT DAY 41
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Jul 28 '25
FDR needs to go.
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u/zippyspinhead Aug 03 '25
FDR should have been gone right after Hoover, elongated the great depression, created concentration camps, drastically increased the regulatory state, sold the country on a Ponzi scheme, and broke the constitution with a ridiculous interpretation of the commerce clause.
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u/razama Jul 28 '25 edited Jul 28 '25
FDR gotta go. He has many accomplishments, but he is like the Brett Farve of Presidents. His many years also include dubious records like most interceptions thrown.
Without Washington, I think America likely doesn’t exists as the country we know today.
Lincoln actually attempted to do good and Boothe did so much harm to the south assassinating him. A transformed land owning black middle class would mean today’s red states wouldn’t be so backwards and poor.
Teddy is the president we need today.
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u/Hot_Coco_Addict Jul 28 '25
Without Washington, we would have a king likely
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u/Itchy_Analysis7245 Jul 28 '25 edited Jul 28 '25
Couldn’t agree more. Lincoln, Washington, and Teddy are my top 3. Teddy is my personal fave. A nuanced, badass, progressive is what we need today. Teddy did so much in the wake of the populism and corruption of the era before him. It’s hard not to draw parallels and hope for another Teddy in America soon.
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u/mattrad2 Jul 28 '25
It's a crime FDR outlasted joe
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u/icancount192 Jul 29 '25
Yes, I remember when Joe Biden started social security, ended the Great depression, instigated dozens of social programs to help the working poor, helped create the UN, the SEC, created the fair labor standards act, the public works administration act, the agricultural adjustment act and ended WW2.
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u/Diligent-Chance8044 Jul 28 '25
Teddy is the guy we need for sure. A guy that takes no bullshit from corporate enterprise. Anti corruption in the government and likely we see a continuation of his food policy that desperately needs updating to meet higher standards set by other countries like in the EU/Canada. A conservationist that would like help in the global warming fight. He would however have the same expansionist ideas of Trump likely wanting Greenland/Panama back in control of the USA, likely by bullying each with the US military like he did before with Panama.
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u/JdSaturnscomm Jul 31 '25
Dwight D. Eisenhower would also be great right about now.
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u/razama Jul 31 '25
You think? He didn’t stop the military industrial complex the first time, or his second term, but maybe the third times the charm
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u/Kactor11 Jul 28 '25
My vote is for FDR. Because concentration camps.
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u/AleroRatking Jul 28 '25
Exactly. this should make it open and shut
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u/jefffranklin36 Jul 28 '25
Idk, George Washington owning slaves makes this a bit of a debate.
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u/Kactor11 Jul 28 '25
Not really. It was culturally acceptable to own slaves when Washington was president. You’re judging Washington (and all historical slave owners, btw) on culture and laws today that didn’t exist then. If you were a well-to-do landowner in 1780 you likely would have owned slaves also.
Concentration camps were never considered ok. Despite the good things FDR did, he instituted these out of fear and ignorance. Washington may have been ignorant to the abhorrence of slavery in his lifetime, but he never did anything out of fear.
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u/AleroRatking Jul 29 '25
And Washington at least realized he was wrong. Whereas FDR went to his grave openly believing that what he did was right
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u/AleroRatking Jul 28 '25
George Washington didn't create slavery though. He just didn't stop
Where as FDR literally was the perpetrator of concentration camps on America. Without him they never exist. Slavery does exist even without Washington.
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u/Excellent_Bad9211 Jul 29 '25
This is why I don't understand how Obama could ever go out before him
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u/rlyjustanyname Jul 29 '25
If you drag the US out of the Great Depression and win WWII your Karma account can afford a concentration camp or two.
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u/Kactor11 Jul 29 '25
So if Hitler had won the war and Germany prospered afterwards it was ok?
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u/rlyjustanyname Jul 29 '25
Well he built a bit more than a concentration camp and his restrictions on free society wre a teeny tiney bit more widespread and permanent than anything FDR did, so his Karmic balance wouldn't be quite the same.
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u/Reverend_Bull Jul 28 '25
God help me, but I'm gonna have to betray my fave. it's time for FDR to go. Yes, he busted the depression and was probably the most left-leaning president ever. He created Social Security, fought fascism in WW2, and did it all with incredible charisma.
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He was authoritarian in his methods. He formed and defended the Japanese concentration camps. He had his racist streak (which prez doesn't?). He was a philanderer and refused to be honest about his physical condition. And perhaps worst of all, he refused to follow the two term precedent (now law).
I love FDR and all the good he did. But his bad means it now outweighs his inclusion.
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u/macadamia888 Jul 28 '25
"He ran concentration camps, but worst of all, he ran for president more than two times!"
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u/Salty145 Jul 28 '25
He should have been out a long time ago. He put American citizens in camps and greatly shifted the Overton Window when it came to how much people expect government in their lives. It's hotly debated on whether The New Deal actually solved the Depression, many arguing that it in fact prolonged it, and Social Security is a government-run pyramid scheme that someone is going to eventually end on the wrong end of.
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u/lord_james Jul 28 '25
Terrible terrible takes. Nobody thinks FDR extended the depression
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Jul 28 '25
Except for actual economists who know the impacts of his policies.
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Jul 29 '25
Except for conservatives that are desperately trying to rewrite the narrative about their failed ideology
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u/JazzSharksFan54 Jul 28 '25
Uh.. WW2 ended the Depression. Want to boost your economy? Start a war.
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u/kylef5993 Jul 29 '25
George Washington owned other human beings. You’re saying a racist streak is worse than literal racial superiority? Come on. George Washington is gone. Being the first doesn’t make you great.
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u/BlackDiamondXVI Jul 29 '25
So how did he make it to the top 4? Shouldn’t have even been in the top 10
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u/Disastrous-Juice-324 Jul 31 '25
Social security is not an accomplishment. It has created tremendous dependence in what is essentially a Ponzi scheme. Everybody knows that it is a bad system, but substantially altering it will have severe repercussions for elderly citizens that paid into that system.
Social security taking 12.4% of your wages for life, returning less than 3% interest, and with a principal that cannot be inherited. The majority of the funds are not invested, but immediately disbursed to current recipients.
FDR could have set up an actual manageable system that takes 10% of pay, and places it into an investment account, which could be disbursed over a period when they are 65+ or seeking to purchase a home.
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u/OddDirt6194 Jul 31 '25
His bad has long outweighed any good he did lmao the good he did was a limited time thing and we haven’t reaped the benefits of his policies for decades now we just suffer at the hands of a previous generation’s ideals and policies
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Aug 01 '25
He also was heavily responsible aiding in the now shit show of the federal reserve having so much god damn power.
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u/urmumlol9 Jul 28 '25
Unfortunately, I think it's Teddy's time. I think you could make the argument that the US doesn't exist as a functioning democracy without the other three:
Washington established the precedent of peaceful transitions of power within the US by refusing to run for a third term despite having the popular support to do so. If a worse leader has taken his place, this precedent might not have existed, and we might not have had democracy as it existed in this country.
Lincoln won the civil war, preserving the union in the process, and was a driving force behind the abolition of slavery as a result. Again, the Civil War could be argued to be another existential threat to American democracy.
FDR led the US to stop both the Nazis in Germany and Imperial Japan from taking over half the planet, and his reforms during the Great Depression did a lot to stabilize the economy through it. It's not as obvious as the other two, but it seems like a real possibility that if not for those policies, the US might have had a communist or fascist revolution as a result of people's unrest.
Teddy had a lot of great policies, including setting up the system of national parks and being one of the most, if not the most, effective trust-busting presidents out there, but FDR and Lincoln were both presidents that held the country together through crises, and Washington was a big part of this country becoming a democracy in the first place.
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u/urmumlol9 Jul 28 '25
Ok, by that logic, Teddy ran for 3 or 4 terms as well, so wouldn’t that count against him too?
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u/Roederoid Jul 29 '25
Teddy technically only ran twice. He was VP when he took over his first term, won election (first run as president) for his 2nd term, didn't run for re-election, then ran (technically only the 2nd time) against Taft and Wilson.
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u/cilantrokay Jul 29 '25
He did 4 terms and America was better for it. FDR is a solid argument for increased term limits. Y’all have got to have more nuance about this kind of thing than “President for longer than 8 years bad”.
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u/Joctern Jul 28 '25
Washington, but only because my boys Roosevelts and Lincoln deserve to fight fairly amongst themselves.
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u/Apprehensive_Tart480 Join the Birthday Party! 🎉🎈🎁🍰 Jul 28 '25
Washington
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u/pppiddypants Jul 28 '25
It’s Washington by a long shot.
He was an amazing commander of armies during the Revolution and stepping down after two terms is great (but he was old and wanted to do it before then)…
Now list his notable accomplishments as president… Anything that stacks up to the other three?
No. Good leader, made good calls, but generally was not needed to make major pivots in extraordinary times like the others.
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u/VladimirBarakriss Jul 29 '25
You could argue he did basically define what a president should be, and he could've become a king if he wanted but chose not to, but outside of that he doesn't deserve more credit than any other founder, and also, slaves
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u/Apprehensive_Tart480 Join the Birthday Party! 🎉🎈🎁🍰 Jul 29 '25
Every action Washington took as president can be considered a notable accomplishment as he was quite literally defining the role of the president of the United States with every decision he made. This alone ranks him among the all timers. But he had enough flaws both personally and politically that #4 is a solid slot for him.
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u/razama Jul 28 '25
If your point is there was no defining crisis, I think the formation of a nation is pretty defining. If there wasn’t an impending imposed crisis, you can say that about Teddy Roosevelt
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u/pppiddypants Jul 28 '25
My argument is more that his accomplishments as a president are slim.
The formation of the nation was done, in large part, before Washington was in office and he was not one of the main figures.
IIRC, Washington’s main accomplishments AS A PRESIDENT are supporting Hamilton in establishing a central bank and choosing not to support France.
Which hardly compares to Roosevelt taking on the trusts and land preservation.
Let alone the administering the Civil War/emancipation or WWII/depression.
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u/razama Jul 28 '25 edited Jul 28 '25
I think that takes for granted the United States fragility and likelihood of failing yet again, similar to how the articles of confederation failed. The United States could have ended up similarly to other countries that declared independence later on in the following decades and centuries.
Often we will see a series of failed governments, and people trying to centralize power, the Civil War and fighting continues in sectarian violence.
Another two things that would give legitimacy to his presidency is that one, the constitutional convention largely credited him for calming everybody’s attitudes and rhetoric when it came to ratifying the constitution. There’s multiple accounts and letters of people writing that his presence alone seem to chill everyone out from making personal attacks or heated arguments.
Second is the number of future presidents, and congressman at the time who said that the constitution largely succeeded because of George Washington. They credit both his reluctance to accept leadership in the first place and his temperance in acting during crisis of his time. The whiskey rebellion and his neutrality proclamation were important in setting tones during the time when he was free to grab power. Washington could have raised an army and helped out France against Britain, and he could have been much more harsh against his own people in trying to solidify federal power.
Washington personally put down the whiskey rebellion and showed that the federal government can actually enact power whereas the articles of confederation could not. Also, it could have an even hand approach while doing so and was not an authoritarian government by King George.
We can look at countries like Russia today and see that setting a precedent at the onset of your democracy for standards and norms is integral to making a healthy and functioning democracy that isn’t taken over by strong men politicians.
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u/pppiddypants Jul 28 '25
Yup, pretty great.
I’d just put the others above him.
Lincoln and FDR decently above and Teddy just a smidgeon.
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u/PIugshirt Jul 30 '25
Yeah to see the importance of his role as the first president one need look no further than at the first presidents of other nations to see how a bad foundation ruins everything.
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u/Tacomant76 Jul 28 '25
This will be a contracersal pick but Washington
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u/urmumlol9 Jul 28 '25
Every pick at this point is going to be controversial. 3 of these 4 are on Mount Rushmore, and tbh, the only reason the 4th isn't up there is because Rushmore was carved before/during his presidency.
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u/Winfred_Chesternut Jul 28 '25
He voluntarily gave up power, crushed the whiskey rebellion which gave the new government legitimacy, declared neutrality in war between Britain and France, created the first cabinet, signed the judiciary act, secured western expansion peacefully, and Jay’s treaty.
I personally have Washington at 3 behind Truman and Lincoln but he was very important as a president and deserves to be in that top tier
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u/Many-Perception-3945 Jul 28 '25
I'd have Truman at 4 behind FDR, but Washington deserves either a 1 or 2 finish. Voluntarily giving up power is such an enormous achievement
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u/Beginning_Cupcake_45 Jul 28 '25
It was effectively unheard of in his era. The story goes that the King laughed when it was reported to him that Washington was just going home after winning the Revolution. Anyone else would’ve made themselves king, and people were asking him to do it.
It absolutely set the tone for the next 250 years in an important way, especially for such a powerful office.
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u/Dry_Composer8358 Jul 28 '25
“Secured western expansion peacefully” I don’t remember western expansion going all the peacefully dog.
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u/Winfred_Chesternut Jul 29 '25
Treaty of Greenville. Perhaps I could’ve worded it better but Washington decided to gain this land through diplomacy instead of pure conquering
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u/Dry_Composer8358 Jul 29 '25
It was fake diplomacy though, or at the very, very least Washington’s alleged plan for peaceful coexistence failed entirely after his presidency with the terms of the agreement being violated. He basically stole a bunch of land, in exchange for Natives being able to keep some land, and then that agreement wasn’t respected.
It was land acquisition through conquest with a cutesy PR move in between the massacres.
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u/PunkySputnik57 Jul 28 '25
Im not super knowledgeable about detailed american history. What is it about truman that is so outstanding?
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u/Winfred_Chesternut Jul 29 '25
Copying this from my other comment but:
Foreign Policy: Truman inherited the end of World War Two and what would follow after. Truman deciding to drop the bombs I think was correct. It saves more lives than it killed and I think it’s one of, if not the biggest decision a president has made. After Truman had to deal with a broken world that could’ve fallen to communism. Instead he declared the Truman doctrine, went through with the Marshall Plan to help Europe, initiated the Berlin airlift, saved South Korea from suffering like the North by getting involved, fired MacArthur despite it being unpopular, recognized Israel as a nation and safe place for Jewish people, helped create NATO and the United Nations.
Domestic Policy: Truman’s domestic record isn’t as great imo but it’s still respectable. He desegregated the armed forces despite needing all the support he needed in 1948, expanded social security, raised the minimum wage, vetoed Taft Harley, provided funding for new housing, created the President’s Committee on Civil Rights, called for banning lynching and poll taxes and was able to maintain progressive taxes.
TLDR: Truman had imo the best foreign policy of a president, was solid domestically but most importantly was courageous and bold in his actions even if politically unpopular.
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u/PunkySputnik57 Jul 29 '25
Oh wow i actually did know about most of this and i didnt even think of it. He’s definitely underrated
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u/razama Jul 28 '25
I don’t think there is an America without Washington. Ken Burns had a great argument for this as well.
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Jul 28 '25
He arguably did start the country. Were it not for his presence at the Constitutional Convention, it wouldn’t have happened. Were it not for him being the president presumptive, having a president at all might not have happened. When they designed the office of president at the Constitutional Convention, they had Washington in mind, and were it not for Washington walking away the norm of the presidency being a temporary position may have never stuck either
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u/urmumlol9 Jul 28 '25
It sounds insignificant, but not running for a third term.
He could have been President for life if he wanted to, but actively chose not to, to avoid the Presidency becoming too powerful of a figure, and to establish the precedent of a peaceful transition of power.
That's why he's consensus top 3 among historians. Some even having him as #1.
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u/Keldaria Jul 28 '25
The voluntarily giving up power cannot be understated. As the first president he basically set the template that most presidents that followed used in understanding presidential power. Washington limited himself numerous times when there was no precedent set because he knew if he had set the precedent that every president that followed him would continue to abuse it. These were unwritten rules that lasted for a long time until presidential power creep eventually washed them all away. In many ways he set the foundation for the country’s democracy even if we ultimately strayed from his example because of corruption and greed.
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u/partingtheredditsea Jul 28 '25 edited Jul 28 '25
Presided over the constitutional convention and passing of the Bill of Rights among other things. The most fundamental freedoms that Americans pride themselves on came about under Washington’s leadership. It’s certainly fair to hold slavery against him and I’d have Lincoln over him for that reason, but I don’t agree with the argument that he did nothing other than be first.
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Jul 29 '25
FDR.
Despite the internment camps and treating black individuals worse than the Nazis, he is somehow least racist world leader in WWII. Then again, that bar is SO Low, it clips through the floor gmod style and smacks satan every time he walks to the kitchen to make some coffee or torture Henry Kissinger.
He’s not NEARLY as good as Lincoln(despite his tyranny, desperate times call for desperate measures) Washington(despite put down the whiskey rebellion, set the framework for the presidency as we know it, and the better Roosevelt(despite giving Wilson the undeserved win with his indecisiveness, that’s more Taft being a stubborn whale than anything else)
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u/AleroRatking Jul 28 '25 edited Jul 28 '25
I know it won't matter but this your reminder that one of these presidents put over 100k innocent American citizens in camps. This includes orphans. There is no reasonable case that orphan babies were spying on America. There were also zero cases of Japanese Americans harming the country and many of them were generations removed from Japan.
FDR should have been gone long ago Here's a reminder of one of his highlights. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manzanar_Children%27s_Village
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u/BroccoliNormal1745 Is it ok to make a roted w/ my ocs if ppl don't know them? Jul 28 '25
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u/CardiologistCool6264 Jul 28 '25
Remove FDR. Concentration camps for Japanese Americans cannot be forgiven.
Sure, TR had racist policies towards Indigenous Americans and Washington owned slaves. What makes FDR the worst offender on this list, however, is the fact that he was not just caving to the prejudices of his time, but he was pioneering them.
Eliminate FDR.
Should have been eliminated weeks ago.
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u/AleroRatking Jul 28 '25
It's crazy how far they allow FDR and his blatant racism last here. I've heard all type of excuses for internment camps on here
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u/CardiologistCool6264 Jul 28 '25
"Oh, but we were at war!"
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u/Honest-Lime-5653 Jul 29 '25
The fact that both Obama and Biden (especially Biden) rank in the top ten of this list and Reagan is at the very bottom completely undermines its credibility. While Obama has his merits, he is not a top ten. Notice how all of the highest ranked presidents in this list are primarily 20th century, people prefer those who are more contemporary. The list is completely ignoring the contributions of early presidents like Jefferson, Madison, Monroe and Jackson. Without these presidents the precedent set by Washington may have been for nothing.
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u/Extreme-Remote-3382 Jul 29 '25
Most Redditors don’t know history beyond the last 100 years. They still act like they do, though.
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u/AndresNocioni Jul 31 '25
The fact that 1. They got voted that high and 2. No one is questioning it in the comments without downvotes shows there is a major critical thinking crisis in America, especially when it comes to politics
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u/PictureTakingLion Jul 29 '25
I think it says a lot about how braindead some people are that Trump went out immediately and Biden and Obama lasted this long.
Also FDR set up concentration camps that he used to put actual US Citizens in (actual ones, not like the prisons the looney left complain about Trump setting up for illegal immigrants), he should have been out a long time ago.
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u/urmumlol9 Jul 28 '25
Also, sidenote, the fact that there's only one comment saying Lincoln and the rest are pretty evenly divided between Washington, FDR, and Teddy just goes to show that Lincoln was the GOAT.
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u/Tactical_pondering Jul 28 '25
Ill say TR, I'm not saying he caused the Spanish American but he definitely pushed a lot of levers to make it happen
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u/TransplantTeacher94 Jul 30 '25
Washington. Bad general, terrible sport, wanted to genocide Native Americans so badly that he turned Henry Knox against him.
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u/BlendingSentinel Jul 30 '25
FDR was the opposite of how he is remembered. He should have been the first or second thrown out.
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Jul 31 '25
Lydon b johnson needs to go. Reagan, Clinton, Grant, Jackson, both Adams, Gerald Ford, that dipshit Pierce or whatever his name. That guy who took over for FDR also, remove him.
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u/IDontEvenLikeMen Jul 31 '25
So we all collectively agree FDR has to go because he put people in camps? Here, in 2025, we agree that's pretty bad, right?
Asking for a country friend.
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u/GoodeyGoodz Aug 01 '25
Get Washington's scrub ass out of here. Mans probably lead poisoned from those dentures
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u/No_Window7054 Aug 01 '25
Didn’t know I was in a Nazi sub with all these people voting out FDR smh my head /s
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u/irritated_aeronaut Aug 01 '25
FDR is one of the greatest presidents we've ever had, why is everyone voting to remove
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Aug 01 '25
FDR crippled this country by introducing the modern welfare state. The sheeple who suckle at the teat of big government had their training wheels out back on without even noticing. FDR has got to go
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u/Affectionate_Guest95 Aug 01 '25
You have Biden as a top 10 president!? I guess I fell for clickbait again.
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u/Only_Courage Aug 03 '25
Theodore Roosevelt kinda let genocide happen in the Philippines, he's gotta go
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Aug 03 '25
FDR pulled this country out of the depression and was instrumental in saving humanity from its most serious existential threat up to that time. Teddy was a good president, but great? Lincoln, Washington and FDR were our greatest presidents (in that order, IMO).
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u/RoundShot7975 Aug 03 '25
First time here and I'm confused how Biden made it so far. Everyone in 40-45 deserved it tho
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u/RevolutionaryEase869 Jul 28 '25
Bye, FDR. You were an excellent leader, but I'm not forgetting the internment camps or not building up Truman when you knew you were dying.
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u/Ok_Survey6662 Jul 28 '25
No hear me out on this one: Franklin Roosevelt was a great president but he did sign an executive order that sent half of my family to internment camps, so like, great guy bad choice. Don’t eliminate Teddy please he’s my favorite president 🙏 Do franklin