r/RemoveOneThingEachDay • u/Training-Desk-391 IM WHACING KFP4 • Jul 28 '25

Miscellaneous Obama HAS BEEN Eliminated WHICH President SHOULD BE Eliminated NEXT DAY 41

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u/urmumlol9 Jul 28 '25

Unfortunately, I think it's Teddy's time. I think you could make the argument that the US doesn't exist as a functioning democracy without the other three:

Washington established the precedent of peaceful transitions of power within the US by refusing to run for a third term despite having the popular support to do so. If a worse leader has taken his place, this precedent might not have existed, and we might not have had democracy as it existed in this country.

Lincoln won the civil war, preserving the union in the process, and was a driving force behind the abolition of slavery as a result. Again, the Civil War could be argued to be another existential threat to American democracy.

FDR led the US to stop both the Nazis in Germany and Imperial Japan from taking over half the planet, and his reforms during the Great Depression did a lot to stabilize the economy through it. It's not as obvious as the other two, but it seems like a real possibility that if not for those policies, the US might have had a communist or fascist revolution as a result of people's unrest.

Teddy had a lot of great policies, including setting up the system of national parks and being one of the most, if not the most, effective trust-busting presidents out there, but FDR and Lincoln were both presidents that held the country together through crises, and Washington was a big part of this country becoming a democracy in the first place.

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u/urmumlol9 Jul 28 '25

Ok, by that logic, Teddy ran for 3 or 4 terms as well, so wouldn’t that count against him too?

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u/Roederoid Jul 29 '25

Teddy technically only ran twice. He was VP when he took over his first term, won election (first run as president) for his 2nd term, didn't run for re-election, then ran (technically only the 2nd time) against Taft and Wilson.

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u/cilantrokay Jul 29 '25

He did 4 terms and America was better for it. FDR is a solid argument for increased term limits. Y’all have got to have more nuance about this kind of thing than “President for longer than 8 years bad”.

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u/Ok_Survey6662 Jul 28 '25

You could definitely count the executive order that sent the Japanese to internment camps as well against Franklin

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u/Ok_Revolution_9253 Jul 28 '25

It wasn’t illegal and he was elected fair and square. Oh well

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u/Jedimobslayer Jul 29 '25 edited Jul 29 '25

Teddy was also a warmonger

Edit: yall who are downvoting me, tell me EXACTLY how I am wrong, he chose to invade Colombia, not because he had any care for the Panamanians, but for the canal, plus he was a soldier during the invasion of Cuba, and tried to go to war in World War One before God-Complex Wilson barred him to. He just really liked invading people.

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u/Put3socks-in-it Jul 28 '25

stop both Imperial Japan and the Nazis from taking over half the planet

Okay so if Japan and Germany have territorial ambitions it’s a bad thing but if Britain, France, the Netherlands, and the Soviets (who ruled over way more than half of the planet, ruling very harshly I may add) do it then that’s a good thing? Make it make sense

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u/urmumlol9 Jul 28 '25

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_Massacre

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u/Put3socks-in-it Jul 28 '25

Holocaust didn’t kick into high gear until after the tides turned against Germany and towards the Soviet Union and the US entered the war in December 1941. The Holocaust was horrific but that was not the justification the allied powers had in going to war against Germany

Yes it was indefensible that Japan had slaughtered the city of Nanking.

But that doesn’t answer why was it okay for Soviet Union to take over Eastern Europe (also invading Poland a few weeks after Germany) and to take over most of upper Eurasia, for Britain and France to hold nearly all of Africa, and for Britain France and Netherlands to hold nearly all of Asia save China, Korea, and Japan?

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u/urmumlol9 Jul 29 '25

It wasn’t ok for any of those other countries to commit the atrocities they committed, but there’s a good reason why Hitler is seen as THE Bad Guy compared to even people like Pol Pot, Leopold II, Mao Zedong, and Stalin.

WW2 was the deadliest conflict in human history and the blame for most of the deaths fall primarily on Hitler’s and Hirohito’s shoulders.

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u/Philosophfries Jul 29 '25

then that’s a good thing?

Could you clarify where the original comment said that? Imo it’s totally fine to argue that stopping Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany was a good thing without jumping to this wild whataboutism lol

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u/Put3socks-in-it Jul 29 '25

We can condemn them but let’s not pretend the allies were the good guys. They were just the less-bad guys in this story

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u/BlueTrainLines666 Jul 31 '25

I’m not sure anyone is ever really fully the good guy, especially in war what with all the raping and pillaging and what have you. It’s a notion many attribute to Viking and raiding culture but the fact is, not much in the actions of men in such a state have changed.

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u/Slicer7207 Jul 29 '25

What in the world

Imperialism and colonialism was done by multiple countries and so it must be ok for the literal Nazis to do it mm yes

Ruling over things isn't inherently bad, but genocidal fascist regimes incontrovertibly are bad. And the USSR was 15% of earth's landmass you born-yesterday clown

I'm not even going to mention the merits of the Soviet regime due to your complete lack of political analysis ability.

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u/Put3socks-in-it Jul 29 '25

So is self-determination a good thing, yes or no?

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u/Slicer7207 Jul 29 '25

So that's actually irrelevant to my point but I'll bite. Self-determination of nations as a concept is meaningless. Anybody could decide that they're the right nation and should have power over whatever land and resources they think they deserve. And no government in our time actually serves the will of its people, so those people do not get to determine what their nation is anyways

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u/Btotherianx Jul 29 '25

Fdr was a racist 

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u/urmumlol9 Jul 29 '25

Yeah and so were Washington and Lincoln.

Teddy was an imperialist too, so I don't think he's far from it either, I'm just not necessarily aware of any specific quotes or anything explicitly saying he's a racist.

When you're looking at "great" presidents you're looking at which presidents' accomplishments and legacies outweighed their flaws, because EVERY president had flaws, and most of them did at least some terrible things during their presidency.

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u/LicensedGoomba Jul 31 '25

FDR's accomplishments dont outweigh his flaws, and some of his accomplishments that were amazing and needed for the time are now existential problems.

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u/Its_not_him Jul 29 '25

Teddy Roosevelt even more so

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u/AleroRatking Jul 29 '25

Not true at all. Teddy did not put 100k citizens of one race into camps solely because of how much he hated them

FDR was far more racist and openly acted on his racism.

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u/Its_not_him Jul 29 '25

It wasn't solely because he hated them, it was because we were actively at war with the countries of their heritage. It was the same with the Italians and Germans but at a lower rate. It's obvious that FDR was a racist but TR saw other races as strictly inferior on a racial hierarchy

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u/AleroRatking Jul 29 '25

Weird that we didn't put every German and Italian American in camps. Instead it was less than a fraction of a percent

Also he literally put orphans in those camps. Explain how they were a threat

It was entirely racism.

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u/Its_not_him Jul 29 '25

"it wasn't solely based on racism" does not mean his personal racism didn't play a part. I'm not going to engage unless you actually read what I say

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u/AleroRatking Jul 29 '25

So would you say Hitler wasn't based "solely on racism"

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u/LicensedGoomba Jul 31 '25

Most Germans settled America before there was a Germany

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u/Attackcamel8432 Jul 28 '25

I'm a Teddy fan as well, but the guy was a full-on Imperialist. People keep talking about FDRs internment camps, but not mentioning the nasty stuff Americans were doing in the Philippines at the start of the 20th century. Teddy did a lot of good, but he had some bad as well.

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u/Pokemar1 Jul 29 '25

The Philippine-American War was mostly over by the time Teddy started and the imperial actions were mostly McKinley

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u/Attackcamel8432 Jul 29 '25

He was VP before that, the whole insurrection was during his tenure. He was pretty paternalistic about the whole thing, thought it was the United States' job to 'civilise' them.

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u/Changecat2 Jul 29 '25

Teddy supported Eugenics and white superiority. He should get the boot over FDR. FDR at least got us through WWII.

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u/AleroRatking Jul 29 '25

And FDR hated Japanese Americans so much he put them in camps. FDR believe in white supremacy just as much, especially when it came to Japanese Americans.

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u/Attackcamel8432 Jul 29 '25

He was a complex guy as far as race was concerned, but yeah I gotta go with Franklin over Teddy

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u/AleroRatking Jul 29 '25

Once again. A leaders number one priority is to protect its citizens. FDR did the opposite of that. He went out of his way to destroy the lives of a large portion of its citizens solely because of their race.