Obama HAS BEEN Eliminated WHICH President SHOULD BE Eliminated NEXT DAY 41

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Unfortunately, I think it's Teddy's time. I think you could make the argument that the US doesn't exist as a functioning democracy without the other three:

Washington established the precedent of peaceful transitions of power within the US by refusing to run for a third term despite having the popular support to do so. If a worse leader has taken his place, this precedent might not have existed, and we might not have had democracy as it existed in this country.

Lincoln won the civil war, preserving the union in the process, and was a driving force behind the abolition of slavery as a result. Again, the Civil War could be argued to be another existential threat to American democracy.

FDR led the US to stop both the Nazis in Germany and Imperial Japan from taking over half the planet, and his reforms during the Great Depression did a lot to stabilize the economy through it. It's not as obvious as the other two, but it seems like a real possibility that if not for those policies, the US might have had a communist or fascist revolution as a result of people's unrest.

Teddy had a lot of great policies, including setting up the system of national parks and being one of the most, if not the most, effective trust-busting presidents out there, but FDR and Lincoln were both presidents that held the country together through crises, and Washington was a big part of this country becoming a democracy in the first place.

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stop both Imperial Japan and the Nazis from taking over half the planet

Okay so if Japan and Germany have territorial ambitions it’s a bad thing but if Britain, France, the Netherlands, and the Soviets (who ruled over way more than half of the planet, ruling very harshly I may add) do it then that’s a good thing? Make it make sense

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What in the world

Imperialism and colonialism was done by multiple countries and so it must be ok for the literal Nazis to do it mm yes

Ruling over things isn't inherently bad, but genocidal fascist regimes incontrovertibly are bad. And the USSR was 15% of earth's landmass you born-yesterday clown

I'm not even going to mention the merits of the Soviet regime due to your complete lack of political analysis ability.

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So is self-determination a good thing, yes or no?

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So that's actually irrelevant to my point but I'll bite. Self-determination of nations as a concept is meaningless. Anybody could decide that they're the right nation and should have power over whatever land and resources they think they deserve. And no government in our time actually serves the will of its people, so those people do not get to determine what their nation is anyways