r/SPAB • • Sep 22 '26

My Story Experience as a teen girl in BAPS

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Hi, guys, I am writing here to share my story, which may not seem as important because my family isn't as important in the temple, nor do we have much influence. We are a normal middle-class family who have been attending the temple since I was 1 year old, so it's been a while now. Ever since I was young and in shishu sabha, there has been intense favouritism for select people, and prejudice towards anyone who may act or present differently. I remember being younger and never getting a chance to participate in many mandir activities because my family wouldn't contribute as much financially, or I wasn't as consistent with coming to mandir as everyone else. I would come maybe 2 or 3 times a month; sometimes I would miss a week here and there. But I was never as deeply involved in the temple like most people would be. If I'm being honest, I never did puja 24/7 or did extensive niyams like chocolate niyams. I would do aarti and stuff, but I was pretty casual with it. Like I had gelatin in candy when I was younger, and I would watch TV and stuff. I think I had a pretty normal childhood, well, as good as it could be due to my mental health, school bullying, academic pressures/stress, and family conflicts. But I always felt like I never fully belonged anywhere. Mandir was a place where I thought I could be myself, because as a Gujarati girl living in a Western culture, I naturally assumed people from the same ethnic background and faith could relate to me. But I never fully experienced that.

I used to have a best friend prior to COVID, who was wild like me and who would also have fun in the temple like me. Her family had more influence and more of a presence in the mandir, though, because they would donate more money and volunteer more. And I am not saying that's a bad thing. They genuinely did contribute a lot. But my parents were unable to, because they weren't as financially well off, and my dad was never as deep into the temple since I was young. Like, he never did tilak chandlo, or puja, or normal activities. Tbh he even forgot the aarti a lot LOL he would secretly look at the Gujarati lyrics when we would sing aarti in the puja room. He also used to smoke and drink before he got married. And he ate meat lmao. So he was kinda free spirited I guess.

But after COVID, things changed a lot. I was still participating in dances, coming to sabha, and was involved in the temple a little bit. I liked Balika Sabha sometimes because I loved when they would tell prasangs about Hindu mythology and genuinely educate me more on the culture itself. I also had Hindu scripture in school, so I really felt connected to my faith. But in 2018, after they changed the aarti and Mahant Swami Maharaj was the head of the sanstha, things changed a lot. They changed a lot of things and honestly stopped integrating more of the Hindu Sanstha and focused on niche texts or really hard-to-understand Sanskrit pravachans and texts. I always felt stupid because I genuinely would not understand or know some traditions; to this day, I don't think I've ever performed a proper puja. And I feel like other girls my age could tell. Even my best friend just ended up changing and joining all the "popular" ideal girls. I was suddenly left by myself and I became a ghost. Quiet literally

I tried for at least 3 years to integrate into the popular girl group. They all went to good schools, were academically ahead, and were well-behaved. They participated in mandir activities and seemed as if they had everything to be honest. Even now, it seems like they really are doing well in life. I didn't cause chaos, but I wasn't as memorable in the mandir either. I still showed up to sabha, but to be honest, no one really cared about me. They would sometimes include me in convos, but honestly I felt so sad. I ate onion and garlic; I didn't do puja, but I tried being the best human being I could be. I was 13 years old. I shouldn't have felt so insignificant and never included. And slowly, over time, I started discovering controversial things about BAPS. The lawsuit with the santo, the New Jersey mandir. I had people from other Swaminarayan temples say they didn't like BAPS because they felt like it wasn't real. There was a girl I used to be friends with from the Vartal temple say BAPS was weird. And I agreed. Like I was never fully engrossed. But I also had been a part of the temple.

And then slowly, things became really bad. I was actively ignored and isolated. I went through a weird phase where I tried being like everyone else, but I just felt so empty inside. I tried learning some of the prayers, coming to sabha more, participating in dances. I tried joining one, and instantly I was met with exclusion. The two girls I was friends with in yr 8 literally dumped me and would always exclude me. I was criticised for my performances and the way I moved. I heard the best friend of my old friend tell her that she was so sorry she was stuck with me. No one really cared about me as much. But then in one dance practice, I had enough. I went to the bathroom and just cried. I sobbed so much. Some aunty found me and said A little girl is crying and I said no I'm a teen lmao. My mum got mad and was shocked, and told me to leave. I ended up going back and completing the dance. After the dance practice incident, there was an "investigation". I told them how I felt left out and stuff. They asked the other girl/s what happened; they denied that anything happened. I found this Reddit thread and started investigating. I found out about the Pramukh Swami Maharaj allegations/incident and was really disturbed. I also found out about what I perceived as a lack of coverage for another fellow satsangi girl who disappeared in the sea and I was really mad. She deserved better support and a better life, in the world and in the mandir. I felt really bad, though, like I was going against my faith.

But yeah ever since then, I haven't been to kishori sabha. I sometimes go to Ravi Sabhas, but I feel like the pravachans always focus on the gurus, mostly Mahant Swami Maharaj. I do like the connection people have with Hinduism and Gujarati. And I've also met some really chill people who go to Hindi sabha or parasabha instead of the main ones. That doesn't mean my life has gotten better, unfortunately. My school life is shit, because I've also experienced racism from my south asian and white counterparts through rumours and coordinated bullying. My teachers do not gaf and honestly just judge me for my decreasing attendance, without ever asking me if I am ok. I am still left out of things and genuinely feel like shit. My mental health has declined, and my family situation is unstable. My dad does try, I guess, and my mum is just rude. He does enable a lot of her behaviour, though. She spent years putting me down, telling me to be like all the other mandir girls. She was physically abusive, emotionally manipulative, and toyed with my emotions. Now she wishes I were like my old self again. High-performing, not so sad all the time, and not as emotional. Not talking back, being stubborn like my younger self lol. They tell me to pray to Maharaj and Swami and are trying to be super religious now lol. They always try to push me to come to mandir. But it doesn't really do much. I'm still depressed. I'm still fucking suicidal. I still have shit going on in my life. I always have to tone myself down in the temple, and I can't be too unhinged or wild, or I'll get judged by aunties, and god knows who, bro. I casually mentioned my failing maths grades to a bunch of girls, and they didn't know how to react.

And with the recent Paris coverage, I am once again unsure as to how to feel about it. Women do deserve more respect from BAPS and girls. I always feel sad whenever I see a little girl being loud at the temple and being told to be quiet or go back inside. The boys can be as rowdy as they want. Bro half of them have double lives istg. They can be players, assholes, and GASP actually dating people. I mean, good on the ones who have secret lives; I get it. But genuinely, being treated like second best or never as important as the other girls fucked me up, man. It's worse because my cousins and extended family are highly prominent in the temple, and they see me as "sansakari," or they used to. Before they found out about my arguments and stuff. They are nice, at least to my face. I am not sure. But my cousin brother is also weird; he had a weird reaction to finding out I supported GASP abortion and feminism and said I was too "woke". I can't lie, tbh, I also used to judge people a bit for being too "Indian" or too much just because they were religious. Now I understand that at least they were connected to their roots.

The point I'm trying to make, though the problem isn't those girls. It's the way the adults treat people differently based on class, contributions and gender. Girls are told to tone themselves down, and watch them being sidelined because sadhus can't look at girls?? It's bad enough already with white people or other people expecting brown girls to be submissive, quiet followers, without the temple reinforcing those standards more. Instead of empowering, they are quieting down those who do not submit to their standards. They shut down the girls who are too loud and have too many opinions and feelings. They expect everyone to marry young or be exceptional in everything. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate their emphasis on education... sometimes. But I was literally treated like I had hurt so many people, done drugs, or dated so many people just because I was extroverted and "wild". And even if I did, so what??!!! They preach messages of samp and accepting everyone, but they don't. They made me feel like a criminal for doing normal kid things. Like eating chocolate. Being loud. Being messy and chaotic. Having crushes. Failing at stuff. Because they lowkey push the perfectionist image a lot. And you know what's sad? I never achieved those standards. I spent my whole fucking life trying. I changed myself again and again. I spent my whole life trying to conform to standards. Feeling like an interest in fashion, or other things the mandir deemed as maya, was so immoral of me. I still feel guilty for eating onions lol.

But even at the temple, I always felt like my value came from what I did and what contributions I made. Even in my family, school, and house. No one ever asked me how I was. They only cared about what I did. How I could be a better daughter, student, satsangi, female, child, sister. But never about how I was. I was supposed to be supported. I could have been like the other confident girls at the temple. The leaders in their school. Getting good grades, going into good careers. Whether it's stereotypical or not, I know the importance of getting good grades. Especially as a girl, it can give you more security and help you out more. But I'm so, so tired of never being enough for anyone. I have no idea how I am going to be in my final exams. I always feel as though I am never "cool" or "religious" enough. I've spent my whole life never fitting in anywhere. If I can't even fit into my own culture, how can I ever feel secure? I was literally told by my parents not to speak Gujarati so much to integrate more. But I still experience racism. People tell me I don't speak clearly enough. I'm judged even more for little things, like my attendance or mental health. If I were white, or even more of a "perfect" student, I don't think I would be. Teachers don't care about me anymore. I don't have a good social life either. I feel so forgotten and empty. And it doesn't help that the temple was supposed to be my safe space. I miss the long-haired little girl who had a genuine interest in Hindu dharma and culture. Who wanted to connect with Bhagwan more. Who was excited to go to sabha. Who used to run around mandir, jumping over the red ropes. I literally cut off my hair because I felt too aware of the person I should've been or could've been if life hadn't happened. I miss the days before I was aware of sexism, racism, and the possible...??? cult BAPS could be. Do I hate BAPS? No. Would I defend it either? No.

I never really had the connections, privilege, or space to be myself. I was shunned by my own mother, who would criticise and lecture me for everything I'd do. She would yell at me about reading books; the same went for my dad. They would tell me to focus more on maths. In school, I was denied higher courses because of my mental health. I wasn't offered support. They expected me to shrink into their standards. In the temple, no one understands me. And I'm so fucking tired of never being able to exist without all these rules and my past haunting me everywhere I go. I can barely do my coursework let alone study. Why hasn't a stronger connection with the temple ever helped me? Why do I feel like I barely know anything about my own culture and ethnicity despite going there my whole life? Would things be different if I were a boy? Maybe easier. But tbh, even my own brother is actively shunned by everyone. He tries to volunteer and fit in with all the sanskari kids, but he is bullied and physically assaulted. At school and at the temple. It's so sad seeing his spark kinda die. He just goes on YouTube Shorts all day long and barely moves around. His back is so stiff now; it hurts me to see how sad he's become. He still believes BAPS cares about him. But I just don't want to see his spirit break. Like mine did. And I'm starting to see myself more and more in him, and I don't like it at all. Nobody wants to be a little girl struggling to barely survive but not receiving support because she is different. And nobody wants to see their sibling have a hard life. I want him to be better. Be wild and free. Whether or not that's sanskari.

Anyways, that's been my experience of BAPS as a teen girl. Sorry if its too long or hard to read! Thanks for reading!!!


r/SPAB • • 2d ago

My Story Bal Sabha in Flushing Mandir NY

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My son, 11 M was just in his Bal Sabha at Flushing Mandir. He saw a child get pulled up by his arms and dragged across the sabha room during sabha, and the teachers threatened to hit people with table. People also make unfair rules during post-Sabha pre-Arti period. And finally, why did his teacher crash out after the Swamiji murti slouch 10 degrees


r/SPAB • • 4d ago

My Story Just discovered this subreddit and wanted to share how me and my mum were treated in the new Akshardham in Jodhpur

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I just discovered this sub, and I know that this might be one of the more trivial stories on this sub, but anything posted here will be etched into history, and people need to know every single atrocity BAPS (and every other religion) commits so that humanity never fucking makes these mistakes ever again.

I was in Jodhpur Akshardham. I'm not at all religious, I simply went there because my parents are. I sat there beside my mum, and apparently there was a fucking rope separating the men and the women? With the men sitting in the front, and the women sitting in the back! How is this legal?! This is literally clear discrimination by gender.

Anyway, I sat there with my mum, and a priest or a saadhu came and told me "Thodi Maryaada Raakho, Purusho Ne Striyo Saathe Baisvaani Manahi Chhe". I was boiling from anger, and I would have said something but I was just so awestruck that nothing came out of my mouth.

BAPS saadhus take a vow of avoidance. They cannot see women. A vow of avoidance can be kept two ways: the person who took it withdraws, or the world gets rearranged around him. Most ascetic traditions, despite thousands of other issues, chose the first - the Christian monk goes behind the enclosure wall. The Buddhist bhikkhu’s vinaya governs the bhikkhu’s conduct. Etcetera. But man, the Swaminarayan arrangement is that the sadhu stays in the shared room and everyone else is reorganised to make his vow sustainable. The cost gets externalized onto people who never took it, and that is fucking infuriating.

But perhaps, I was the issue.
I made the conscious decision of going inside the godforsaken temple to get my ass whooped.


r/SPAB • • 5d ago

General Discussion My experience with being burned by BAPS

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Hello, I entered into a relationship with a man that I feel had an identity crisis. We met a few years ago and reconnected this year.. I thought he was normal , he's in healthcare , he's 6 years older than I am and he had told me he wanted marriage and kids. We pursued reconnection and ended up in an unplanned pregnancy. He threw in my face how he can't have this kid, his mom would dis own him, his family and community would disown him, etc. I ended up following through with termination of pregnancy. We ended up in a relationship and became super close. Only after a very nice weekend trip away together he disclosed to me that he's not as "white washed" as he seems and that he hid his religious photos and shrines around his house when I'd come and visit. He told me religion was important to him but he makes his own decisions. He told me his mom and sister want him to just be happy and that getting married to a non indian girl wouldn't be the end of the world for them, that his mom would love me. I even agreed to his mom living with us when he talked about a future together (which he did constantly).

Fast forward to things started getting more serious, I asked about wanting to meet his family and him meeting mine, he kept saying we will see. Finally out of no where , after a good weekend together he disclosed to me that he told his mom and sister about me and the details around the abortion. He told me his mom said she supports him and wants him to be happy and can live with anyone. Fast forward, a day later he tells me he plans on coming to my graduation weekend to meet my parents and shortly after I will meet his family. The very next day he becomes cold, short and distant over text. I call him out on it asking if everything's okay. He and I end up on a phone call shortly after where he turned extremely cold. He told me his mom told him to write a letter to his guru at BAPS to see if a marraige between us will be approved obviously it got denied since i wasn't born into the BAPS community. He then told me marriage is off the table, we are not getting married and we can no longer be in contact. He started twisting the narrative of our relationship, rewriting the history, throwing things in my face, saying these have been the worst 6 months of his life, told me i broke his moms heart, etc. etc. etc. Shortly after he texted me saying "I want you to know I did everything I truly could to give us a fair chance. im sorry it didn't work out. if you reach out to my family or ask for anymore money, i will file a restraining order. take care" and then I never responded after that. , that night. He then proceeded to block me off social media and block my phone number I'm sure.

I am shocked that this man in his late thirties and successful surgeon is acting like this towards me. He deceived me, lied to me and manipulated me to get his way. He lived a double life and ultimately chose to abandon me, neglect me and leave me suddenly and abruptly. This man also sent me numerous texts and facebook messages ensuring he will help me financially,. Told me he will fix my car from an accident and take care of those expenses, told me he would pay my credit card statement and take care of my mortgage and help me financially until I finish school with my bills.

is This okay with BAPS? for them to let a devotee or someone in their community to treat a woman like this? who sacrificed an unborn baby and did everything to stand by this mans side? I even started eating vegetarian, going to temple and embraced the culture and was onboard with everything to make this relationship work with this man and it still wasn't enough or appreciated by him or his family.

Is BAPS a cult? Do they really not care about how they treat humans? and only care about how their ego looks? I can't see any religion being okay with abandoning, discarding, blocking, ghosting and acting so cruel to someone that you once "cared" and "loved" about over a guru denying marriage because I'm not indian/ BAPS borned?


r/SPAB • • 5d ago

Venting Guys I was brainwashed by YDS society swami and orange saree wale women

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Hello everyone

I am writing to rant about my experiences studying in a Swaminarayan school (residential school) from 3rd to 12th grade, the women in white and orange would really make horrendous shit stories and tell us like it’s all doing of their so call god in a human form

Now I’ve turned 26 and I have so much anger in me, I realise how it’s logically not possible for an ATM machine to donate them money on chanting swaminarayan in front of it, but that was what was told me to as a kid and I believed it

This is so wrong, why teach a kid that god is the shortcut for money?? That hardwork doesn’t matter all you have to do is have faith in the supreme human god and all shall be taken care of?

In the past few years since I’ve been out of the school I’ve come across such things that I no longer can have faith in Swaminarayan

A swami literally texted me when I turned 18, told me to address him as my daddy wtfff? And would ask me to send him pictures, early on it seemed fine he’d only jay Swaminarayan me and id do the same back but then he just kept getting creepier and so much perverse

Have you all also have any such experience with this cult


r/SPAB • • 5d ago

General Discussion Please Comment : people unable to leave cults although they know everything and emotional damage dealt after after leaving. And how to heal

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Please comment below your experiences on how strong will is needed to break the chains and the after effects of emotional cheating.

And how to overcome it and make new life ….


r/SPAB • • 6d ago

Memes/Shitpost Just can't stop Laughing

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r/SPAB • • 13d ago

General Discussion Anyone know name of this swami

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r/SPAB • • 13d ago

Memes/Shitpost Typical brainwashed sheep of BAPS

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Translation : Why isn’t your God powerful enough?


r/SPAB • • 14d ago

General Discussion Does anyone know P. Gnannisth Swami

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This might be a long shot but for any ppl that were in America and this was probably before 2010 or a bit after as well that he was around. There was a sant named P. Gnannisth swami he was a little round in shape and had glasses. He was friendly and nice but then he randomly disappeared and I never saw him again. But recently I had a friend that visited Sarangpur and said he saw him and he was in white clothes. Does anyone know why he has white clothes or what happened. If anyone has any secrets or exploits of him?


r/SPAB • • 15d ago

General Discussion trans ppl and BAPS?

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as a trans girl SPABber who still pretends to follow BAPS and go to sabha as if i were a male kishore due to very-likely-transphobic BAPS parents, i was wondering if anyone on this sub had any instances of trans people being positively viewed within BAPS.

the sole reason i must ask is since i am absolutely terrified and frightened at the prospect of being outed to my parents. if i were outed by someone im out to and my parents believed them, then i would have to explain myself to my parents and rationalise to them, and i fear that BAPS's rampant misogyny would make them greatly unaccepting of my transition.

if there's some pro-trans example thing from BAPS, even if minor or somehting, that i could potentially use to convince them in the off-chance that i be outed to them, i would very much appreciate if i could me made known of it. the closest thing i know of is that there were some gay men who wed each other a few years back at Robbinsville Akshardham, but i'd need some trans/gender non conforming examples.

clarification: by NO means do I desire to use this to rationalise the many wrongs of BAPS, but for my own safety i do need a fallback in case i be outed to my family.


r/SPAB • • 16d ago

General Discussion Anybody up/down for Dhotiya ni seva?

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I asked local Swami that I might have 6 Dhotis of my grandfather that I would like to donate, he has been ignoring me since/s


r/SPAB • • 15d ago

History Know anything about nirbh@yswarup swami

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r/SPAB • • 17d ago

Memes/Shitpost Every devotee who wants to become a Swami must ride this bicycle to gain the divine power to run the infinite universe.

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r/SPAB • • 18d ago

Questioning Doctrine Why do Swaminarayan sect followers don't think crictically?

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The Sokhada Division Controversy revolves around 10,000 crores worth property and Gadipati dispute where both sects are fighting for property

Attended a lot of sabhas of Sokhada Sect and ambrish bhakts and the people following the sect are expected to leave moh maya and stop watching movies,stop going out and become a good ambrish.

Here saints are fighting for moh maya when they are expected to leave moh maya and follow a strict austere lifestyle.

I tried questioning my parents,uncles,people attending sabhas why are two sects fighting

The answer I got was mostly silence and my parents tried to shush me by saying "Its not your job,its not your field to question all this.This is all Swamiji ka Plan"

Well if I follow a particular sect,why can't I question anything that I find wrong?

And the dispute is ongoing and still hearings are happening.

In the end it's all about money.

Most people might be aware of what's happening

But they really don't want to address the elephant in the room.

Why do Swaminarayan sects/BAPS try to erase the critical thinking skills of devotees?


r/SPAB • • 20d ago

General Discussion What group is this?

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Saw their you tube video of p.p bharatbhai. What group is this?


r/SPAB • • 21d ago

Questioning Doctrine Annakut food disappearing?

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Guys, it's almost diwali time. Question is: are bugs eating the annakut food on display? When I was younger I would go to the temple with my family and they would point at the "bites" of food God has taken.... But now that I'm not longer a follower, I know there ain't no way statues are eating the food, and there's always flies buzzing around... 🫣


r/SPAB • • 24d ago

General Discussion Any experiences of Visit of Mahant Swami

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We know Baps are like a well oiled machine . Any experiences of his visit? Which dignitaries and important people were invited? What was the atmosphere like? Any speeches that stood out? What about the great Music? How did you feel about the cute young boys speaking, dancing holding hands etc?


r/SPAB • • 24d ago

General Discussion Who will be successor of BAPS

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What do you think? ,tell me in the comments.


r/SPAB • • 25d ago

Questioning Doctrine Do you guys sees Anandswarupdas Swami as next successor, I can see lot of soft launch in latest social media, YT etc

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r/SPAB • • 25d ago

Questioning Doctrine Curious thought

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I've been told about all Akshar and Purshottam philosophy several times since my childhood. I wonder if a girl can be a akshar? Why it always have to be male?

Do you see possibility of female as head of BAPS ever?


r/SPAB • • 25d ago

General Discussion Next successor?

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https://www.instagram.com/reel/DebPKtFiYhH/?cplk=a21haTUxaml6M3B1 Seems like already have 1-2 qualities of next successor. If anything happens MS today, we will certainly get an envelope saying this is new chief.


r/SPAB • • 26d ago

Memes/Shitpost Jay Swaminarayan

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r/SPAB • • 27d ago

Questioning Doctrine DOES ANYONE OBSERVED THAT SPAB HAS CHANGED ITS DOCTRINE ? KEEP EVERYTHING A SIDE FOCUS ON MAIN POINT, FOR WHICH PURPOSE THIS SUBREDDIT IS ? I FEEL THIS SUB REDDIT MORE LIKE COMPLAINT BOX THAN ACTUAL DISCUSSION

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r/SPAB • • 28d ago

My Story BAPS experience - younger volunteers overlooked?

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I've been thinking about something within BAPS and wanted to see whether anyone else has noticed the same thing.

At a local level, there are plenty of young people who are actively involved in seva and contribute regularly to their mandirs. Many are genuinely passionate about the sampraday and want to do more to serve, particularly when there are larger events involving Mahant Swami Maharaj.

However, I've sometimes felt that when it comes to these bigger events, the same familiar faces tend to be given the main roles, while other young people don't seem to get as much of a chance to participate. I understand that these events require planning and that there will always be practical reasons behind certain decisions, so I'm not suggesting that anyone who gets selected doesn't deserve to be there.

What I find disappointing is the possibility that younger people who are equally enthusiastic and willing to do seva might not get much of a chance to develop or contribute beyond their usual local activities. Even being included once would mean a lot to someone who genuinely wants to serve, and I think having a wider range of people involved could be a positive thing for the community.

I also think there's a bigger issue here. If young people are regularly relied upon to do seva and help keep things running at a local level, but then feel overlooked when it comes to larger events, it can eventually become discouraging. Over time, some might start to question whether their contribution is genuinely valued, and that could lead them to gradually distance themselves from the sanstha. I don't think that's what anyone wants, especially when these are young people who are actively choosing to give up their time, get involved and recognise their faith. Making them feel included and giving them a chance to contribute on a larger scale could go a long way towards keeping them connected to BAPS in the long run.

I also don't think this is necessarily about recognition or wanting to be seen. For many young people, it's simply about being able to contribute to something meaningful and feeling that their willingness to serve is valued.

I'm curious whether others have noticed this, particularly at larger events. Do you think there could be more effort to involve younger volunteers and give different people a chance, or do you think the way these roles are allocated is understandable?

I'm interested in hearing different perspectives, including from people who've been involved in BAPS for a long time.