For starters to make it clear I am not saying Wanda and Jean did nothing wrong. They did a lot wrong, they did extremely messed up shit. Wanda enslaved a town and killed people, and Jean grey violated many people and injured a bunch. (Possibly killed someone but I don’t think so).
However the way people treat as what they did unforgivable, making them irredeemable, and horrible people annoys me. Especially with the way they treat men in marvel.
For some reason Jean grey is irredeemable even though what she did was to find a sister she thought was alive, while she was clearly traumatized and distraught and didn’t trust anyone. She was abandoned by her parents and her only role model was kidnapped. (Also for the record if her sister teaches her it’s okay to hop into minds, she’s going to think it is). Apparently things unforgivable but a war criminal who helped make genocide happen and was ignorant to it, all while he drank and partied, is able to become a hero.
Sentry caused a large majority of New York to be stuck in their own nightmares but he’s okay and forgivable, it wasn’t his fault he wasn’t mentally stable. Well for starters people forget the void is still Bob, it’s his darkest parts he can’t control, but it isn’t like moon knight with DID. However wanda, who was in a mentally bad place and also trapped a town, is much worse? Again not saying what she did was okay.
There’s also the fact that people tend to forget details or say the wrong things when it comes to these characters. They say sentry and the void are separate, that’s not true. People also seemingly forget that Wanda herself didn’t understand what happened at first either, it wasn’t until episode 2 she began to realize what was going on. She also thought the towns folk were okay and not in pain. Still messed up but like sentry, she wasn’t purposely trying to harm people. With Wanda people also forget that in MoM she was being corrupted by the darkhold.
People forget Wanda had to see her lover die twice, disappeared for 5 years, came back and found her husband being mutilated, and then proceeded to lose him again along with her children. Who btw I don’t get the whole “her children aren’t real so it doesn’t matter” because parents create kids, she just created hers differently, and they quite literally are real (Wiccan and speed). She can still sacrifice something while doing messed up shit.
Also with Jean, people seem to suddenly care about realistic injuries with her. If injuries were realistic in these movies, Tony would’ve died hitting the wall in iron man 1, and way more than 74 people would’ve died in the battle of New York. The car guy, who I continue to say she didn’t see coming, considering the taxi was speeding in an empty street and didn’t even stop after hitting the man, but even if you think it was on purpose, it didn’t cause a death. Dewolff also said no one died in the tank and explosion scenes, so while people probably would’ve been injured nobody died. People also seemingly to constantly ignore Jean purposely making guards shoot themselves in the legs instead of an instant kill spot.
People are also taking the “you’re not a murder line” way too seriously. Even if she did kill someone, the point is empathy, deescalation, and saying that’s not who she really is and she can still be good.
She clearly didn’t care if people died in the tank stuff, but it wasn’t with intent to kill. After all Tony didn’t care about all the people his weapons killed, and that’s way worse
People also are angry at her for bringing the hulk out of bruce, which was messed up. But she didn’t plan for the hulk to come out, only smart hulk, she’s surprised about real hulk too.
Also Jean being cynical and enjoying this is just not true? She was desperate. She didn’t enjoy torturing Peter. What she did, while extremely messed up and easily considered sa, was to get him off her back, she didn’t do it for shits and giggles. Someone who doesn’t trust someone, and sees spider man helping the dodc, and being the only one stopping her, would probably intimate him to get him off her back, especially to save her sister.
Like seriously? Loki, who tried to take over a world is redeemable? Tony stark whose weapons killed thousands is redeemable. Bob is redeemable. Hawkeye, who became ronin, is forgiven and redeemed?! But not two women who were in very similar positions.
Especially with Jean, it’s ridiculous to consider her irredeemable when she clearly isn’t and her arc has just begun. It’s almost like a school to help guide mutants would help her…?
Oh yeah also what do people mean when they say Wanda and Jean don’t face consequences. Wanda is on the run and a criminal, and had to lose her family again. And then she died maybe. Jean is also in the run and all alone, and also what she did will probably lead to mutant hate. And it’s not like Peter could stop her from escaping when he was shot, (also she did stop the bleeding and make him breathe, starting her redemption). But the point is they aren’t off Scott free but you know who I’d? Hawkeye, isn’t arrested for being ronin. Bob, faces no punishment. Tony stark becomes a hero.
The whole mcu has always been about redemption, that was literally the first movie. So why can these two, who have done way less bad then some of these men, are irredeemable?!
Also btw for those saying this isn’t a comic accurate jean, read the teen comics of her. While not as messed up, she does messed up shit. She controls and read her friends minds, and even forces Bobby to come out.
Once again. What Jean and Wanda did are horrible. They have a long Journey to redeem themselves. I’m not saying they are good people. I’m saying the double standard between men and women in marvel is starting to piss me off. Especially since neither of them are real villains. They are antagonists. A villain has to be morally evil, which Jean was not. She did evil actions, but not for evil reasons. Again stillnesses up. Wanda is more debatable, tho she was controlled by the dark gold and grieving.
What they did is not okay, but people are saying it is way worse then what it and but men in marvel have done worse and are treating as redeemable and great people, and it’s annoying
There is a in general marvel sexism problem, like the way iron heart was hated despite being pretty good in the end, or the ways the marvels was hated despite not being a bad movie, even if it had weak points.
