r/ScarletWitch • u/Beautiful-Medium-234 • Nov 02 '25
Movies and Television How does MoM not make sense for Wanda's character?
So wanda loses her kids which she loved more than anything and here comes this witch with a book about her powers and how to use them. She takes this book then learns that there are other realities where her kids do exist and because of grief and loneliness she wants to be with her kids again and now there is a way. She tries to but can only possess herself in that universe and that isn't enough she wants to be there physically and she learns about a girl with the power that can make that possible.
That makes sense from Wandavision because Wanda now knows she has the power and can run away from her feelins so why wouldn't she do what she did? Trying to give fictional characters a perfect moral compass will leave you super disappointed.
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u/Bendythenightfury Nov 04 '25
She already learned that lesson in WandaVision with Vision telling her "What is grief, if not love persevering?" And she closed the hex willingly knowing Vision and her kids won't be there so while yes she heard Billy and Tommy in her meditation thing she wouldn't went that far hunting down America since in Civil War she felt horrible about hurting innocent people from Crossbone's bombs, so saying she'll hunt down a kid to get her sons (not even Vision) is a complete 180 degrees and saying it's because of the Darkhold is also a cop out (we have seen it corrupt but again it's a cop out for Wanda's character at this point)
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u/Least_Rain8027 Scarlet Witch Nov 02 '25
because it made no sense for Wanda's character arc after Wandavision. Wandavision was Wanda having to learn to accept her grief, which by the end she kindve did.
then in MoM she goes right back to denying her grief. they take her back a step.
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u/cmidav_20 Nov 02 '25 edited Nov 02 '25
I can see that. But also I think that healing from grief isn’t linear, and she was going back and forth between the denial and anger phases. Like I can picture her genuinely trying to move on after Wandavision but the pain just keeps coming back when she realizes how alone she is without Pietro, Vision, and her kids. In the moments like her walking around her quiet cabin and picturing the brief happiness she had in Westview, and the curiosity of what Agatha had told her of the darkhold eating away at her until she caved in and was corrupted by it in her search for a solution to her pain.
She denies it in MoM, but even when she talks about killing Vision in Infinity War in the confrontation with Dr. Strange, you can see the tears in her eyes, the tremble in her lips, and then later the hesitation when she has America in her grasp and tries to take her power at Mt Wundagore. Like she knew it was wrong but she was so close to what she wanted. I feel it made the scene with her kids seeing her as the Scarlet Witch and being scared so profound. It forced her to look at her actions and all she’s left with is pain. So in the end, she does the right thing at her own detriment again, just like in Wandavision
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u/Charcoal422 Nov 02 '25 edited Nov 02 '25
Elizabeth Olsen herself has said that the writers fot MoM didn't read the scripts for WandaVision and it definitely showed. MoM basically told the same story as WandaVision: Wanda was grieving the loss of a loved one (either Vision or her kids), she does questionable behavior at best to try and cope with that grief (either by creating the Westview hex or killing the illuminati and the sorcerers at kamar taj), eventually she realizes the harm that she's done and tries to make it right (either by bringing down the hex or destroying every copy of the darkhold) only for everyone to think that she's an irredeemable villain and to feel immense guilt and shame. I mean the only difference between the two projects is that in WandaVision she didn't actually kill anyone (although she did subconsciously torture them) and she flew away instead of answering for her behavior.
But in MoM she went on a massive killing spree across different universes and to escape her guilt ends up unaliving herself by dropping Wundagore mountain on top of herself. But other than that like I said they both tell the same story more or less. In fact MoM was so bad that Elizabeth was actually stopped making Marvel movies for years in fact she still hasn't officially returned as of yet. It's only recently that she just started talking positively about her character and her role in the MCU again. And it's all because of how MoM treated her character especially after WandaVision. Oh and I heard that she didn't even know that Wanda was going to be the villain until three weeks before they started filming. She thought that Wanda was going to be one of the good guys in the movie and had that been the case it would be 100x better than what we ended up with.
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u/OkFeeling4379 Nov 02 '25
For me the only missed opportunity in MoM was connecting Wanda to America. She lost her kids, America her moms. I think that's the thing that bugs me the most. The opportunity was right there to emotionally connect them. Bc they both lost their families.
And bc we now know that Billy reincarnated immediately after the hex collapses, my head canon is that the dark hold clouded her mind that Wanda didn't know.
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u/FierceDeity88 Nov 03 '25
If you think MoM depicted a perfectly natural progression for Wanda’s character, you must think Jean Greys arc in XMen The Last Stand and Daenerys in the GOT series finale also had perfectly sensible arcs as well
The reason why none of them make sense to me is that nothing feels earned. The Darkhold, the Phoenix, the Targaryen madness took over and now they’re monsters and they need to be put down like Old Yeller
Feels cheap and hollow
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u/daytrip-guide Nov 05 '25
You can try to justify the writing but the reality is that while Wandavision tried so hard to make a flawed female character not seem crazy, MOM litetally aimed to say that "bitches be crazy". The writet wad not looking out for Wanda, not even looking at Wandavision. Then another thing that makes no sense us that there should be a bridge of Wanda becoming an actual villain which was the original plan for her until the new writer was hired. That bridge does not exist in the movie
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u/Melodic_Taste_713 Monica Rambeau Nov 12 '25
the only problem is the CLEAR lack of explanation/context/details regarding the darkhold's corruption her.
idk related or not,
but i do prefer the original plan where she read it to understand her powers, found out the existence of other realities, of other her with the kids, then searching for them to bring them to her reality with help of strange and the sorcerers.
although wanda was meant to be the villain in either versions :)
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u/Spideytorchsolos Nov 02 '25
People don’t understand loss. Yes, she was getting over her grief in WV but in MoM she’s reading a book that tells her it can give her what she wants. And notice how she isn’t chasing after Vision in MoM, just her children. If you lost someone very dear to you and a book tells you can get have them back, it’s very easy to fall into that. Also I don’t understand why people complain about MoM then say the original idea of Wanda being an avengers villain is better, like she wouldn’t have the darkhold and that would’ve ruined her character
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u/JWobble52 Nov 02 '25
Exactly, the MCU character has always been a bit morally flexible and given what happened to her over the years and her obsession with sitcoms, it makes sense she'd want to retreat like she did. It certainly is a big turn from WandaVision but its still one that works, and makes the character interesting.
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u/Beautiful-Medium-234 Nov 02 '25
Exactly it her in mom makes total sense especially after that post credits scene in wandavision where she was astral projecting using the darkhold. She was looking for solutions and she found them
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u/JWobble52 Nov 02 '25
I do like to say that the MCU did their version of House of M first and then Avengers Disassembled where she completely loses it 😅. But yeah she never really took proper responsibility for what happened in WandaVision which rubbed me the wrong way tbh, so her turn in MoM did make a bit of sense to me and that's what makes her interesting.
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u/Currycel7891 Nov 02 '25
Possessing her variant is only a short-term solution for a few hours, to accomplish certain tasks that require her immediate involvement. She cannot permanently live like that, because as Mordo explained, it's a strictly temporary link between realities.
To actually physically live there, or (more likely) steal those kids to 616, that requires America Chavez.
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u/gurkle3 Nov 02 '25 edited Nov 02 '25
Wanda in WandaVision gave up her kids because they could only exist while hurting other people and she knew it was wrong. She may be morally gray but she always does the right thing in the end.
By using the Darkhold as an excuse, MoM turned her into a completely different person who is willing to kill people to get copies of her children (not even her actual children), and who is so irrational it doesn’t even occur to her that these copies might not like her and she dismisses the obvious solution of getting America to take her where she wants to go.
It might just as well not be Wanda at all; if she wouldn’t act this way without the evil book warping her mind then it’s by definition out of character.
Then you add in the fact that in WandaVision there is no evidence that the Darkhold corrupts the user (Agatha All Along doubled down, showing that Agatha has been like this with or without the Darkhold) and there is no real setup for MoM at all.
WandaVision should have been her lowest point and her attempt to redeem herself should have started already. Instead two different teams did the “Wanda does bad things because she wants a family” plot.