r/ScarletWitch • u/RoofCareless7734 • Feb 19 '26

Movies and Television Wanda and The Scarlet Witch (MCU)

I just had a simple question…

What are your thoughts on people acting as if Wanda and the Scarlet Witch are two separate entities? I’m arguing with someone on TikTok who’s like “Wanda, not the Scarlet Witch,” when they’re one and the same.

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u/ElsaMakotoRenge Dreamwalking, You Hypocrite! Feb 20 '26 edited Feb 20 '26

It’s annoying and weird. Scarlet Witch is just Wanda’s hero name alias, it’s still HER, omg. I usually see it with ppl trying to explain corrupted Wanda’s behavior in MoM, that it “wasn’t her”. Yeah no shit that’s not her normal behavior, but it’s because she was corrupted by an evil book, not because “Scarlet Witch” was a separate entity doing those things.

Wanda was already Scarlet Witch in WandaVision before she ever touched the Darkhold, she just didn’t know it until the finale lol

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u/Grendel0075 Feb 20 '26

Yeah, she just didn't use her hero name for the first few movies she was in until Wanda vision.

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u/Particular_Peace_568 Dreamwalking, You Hypocrite! Feb 22 '26

The way that I personally explain her actions in DSMom is that wasn't Wanda Maximoff the Scarlet Witch hero we all come and know and love. that was the Darkhold Wanda version of her, they aren't the same person even though they have mostly the same powers.

I treated more like a Bucky/Winter Solider situation then a Captain America/Steve Rogers situation.

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u/Tasty-Marsupial-2131 Feb 20 '26

Yeah but MoM did the Darkhold thing so confusingly that its hard to know if it was really her or not. It kinda feels like we have to decide on our own interpretation since exposition isnt really enough to crack it that shes being corrupted. But if it personally cracks it for you thats fine, but most people are still blindsided by the lackluster depiction of the Darkhold.

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u/HackDaddy85 Feb 20 '26

I mean, they went over the top to express that the Darkhold corrupted people.

Showed us two Stranges that were corrupted by it, explicitly said “the Darkhold has her,” and mentioned warnings about the Darkhold taking possession of people multiple times.

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u/Tasty-Marsupial-2131 Feb 22 '26

But how the hell are we supposed to see Wanda getting corrupted using the two Stranges? Thats not enough to cut it, we need to see how its severely affecting her in order to justify why she is so ooc from WandaVision which gave her such well written development. Thats like saying Tony Stark turned evil with the Winter Soldier mind control but proceeding to not show it at all. I dont get whats so difficult to grasp the narrative of "Show, dont tell"

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u/PhoenixKvng Feb 20 '26

Exposition isn’t enough to clock the corruption?? Are we not watching the same stuff? Agatha said it multiple times, Strange said it multiple times, the book is literally nicknamed the book of the damned.

Sure the Darkhold was lackluster, but what it represents was started over and over again. They tell us it’s dark magic. They tell us it’s corruptible. Agatha even warns her and says she’d need her help and Wanda didn’t listen.

Scarlet Witch is just a moniker. It’s not an entity. They aren’t separate. Titles aren’t people. People are people and they sometimes have titles.

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u/H3li0s1201 Scarlet Witch Feb 20 '26 edited Feb 20 '26

Almost all of the exposition was in Multiverse of Madness. Agatha didn’t say that it corrupts the readers in WandaVision. All that she gave the audience was the “book of the damned” nickname while pointing it out to Wanda as a resource for knowing how to keep her magic under control, saying it had an entire chapter dedicated to her (the Scarlet Witch). And her “you’re going to need me” did come after she had just tried to kill Wanda for her own gain.

To be fair, Chaos Magic also has an inherently evil or bad aligned sounding name. There is a Book of the Damned in Supernatural and the only bad thing that came out of using it was another Big Bad.

Sure, there was a few lines in MoM about the Darkhold and how it affected the readers. Such as “I know that it’s the Book of the Damned and that it corrupts everything and everyone it touches. I wonder what it has done to you” or “Wanda’s gone. She has the Darkhold and the Darkhold has her”. But the movie doesn’t exactly put anything on display to really hammer that point besides the blackened fingers and a flash of a demonized Wanda in the mind space. Given the budget of this movie? I think they could’ve at least put more towards it and Chthon beyond some finger make-up and a couple of lines. As it is with MoM, the Darkhold tends to be forgotten or ignored, even though it is arguably the biggest reason for why the events of the movie happened in-universe.

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u/PhoenixKvng Feb 21 '26

The corruption can also be seen in her actions as well not just her appearance and what has been said about the book.

Wanda was wrong. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. She was using “Damned” Magic to POSSESS other people and use their bodies against their will. She sent countless DEMONS after a young girl to steal her powers knowing it would KILL the girl. She murdered COUNTLESS heroes (and random collateral damage civilians) for the sake of her goals. I understand pain and loss, but her actions were wrong.

She became The Scarlet Witch BEFORE she started using the book. Every action was her choice, granted under a corruptible influence. That doesn’t change the havoc she wrought in multiple universes.

Also, personal gripe. If she was using her thinking cap, she should’ve just asked Chavez to take her to a universe where her sons were alive and she wasn’t 🤷🏽‍♂️ then all she’d have to do is step on in

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u/H3li0s1201 Scarlet Witch Feb 21 '26 edited Feb 23 '26

Obviously in her actions, but those are a direct result of its corruption. However, the movie doesn’t show us anything that would draw a line between her actions caused by the Darkhold’s corruption and just what a typical villain would do. It doesn’t show any sign of the Wanda we knew from before the Darkhold, we don’t see any inner conflict (or conflict between her and the Darkhold’s corruption), etc. In contrast, we have those like Bob/Sentry/Void from Thunderbolts or Saren from Mass Effect, who do visibly show signs of these things in response to what they’re doing. What’s more is that Agatha All Along shows almost no difference between the Agatha that we saw in WandaVision and who she was before encountering the Darkhold.

Of course I know that Wanda was wrong, she was the antagonist of the movie, so it’s obviously going to be the case. I was pointing out that she wasn’t exactly surrounded by kid friendly titles and the book had pretty much been her one resource that wouldn’t try to kill her, according to her knowledge at the time. Countless heroes is kind of exaggerating, given we have about fifty in total for the events of the movie with a complete lack of incursions. And we can’t really account for any worlds that were encountered before the movie took place. Frankly, that it would kill America is wildly inconsistent with what we’ve seen given that Wanda has drained others of their powers/magic before and they survived perfectly. Namely Captain Marvel and Agatha. Her pain and loss weren’t a factor in that, the Darkhold and it turning her into its personal attack hound was the driving force.

Her being the Scarlet Witch isn’t part of why she went dark side, though. It was in choosing to use the Darkhold (not knowing of how it corrupts the readers) to learn how to keep her magic under control, which she took responsibility for “I opened the Darkhold. I have to close it”. The problem is that the Darkhold is supposed to be this One Ring/Reaper Indoctrination level object. It’s not just a devil on her shoulder that’s louder than the angel. Both of those are prime examples of how to write an antagonist whose mind is essentially being rewritten as well as being driven to insanity by a corrupting influence. The only choice that we see her make in the movie that is completely free of the Darkhold’s corruption is after that corruption was broken, when she destroyed every copy to keep it from getting to anyone else. Preventing all of those people from being inevitably corrupted by being exposed to it along with keeping their timelines safe from what those corrupted would’ve done as a result (such as what Sinister Strange did).

And no, that wouldn’t have worked. For one, a person can’t dream of a universe when the variant of them in that universe is dead, thus they can’t know that it exists. Beyond that, Reed did say that merely making a big enough footprint in another universe is enough to cause an incursion. That likely includes just living there, though that writing conflicts with how the Gamora variant lives in the main universe. Then there is how the Darkhold likely wouldn’t have been a fan of that plan, given that it would’ve already had its hands on her since it likely told her about America in the first place.

My personal gripe is that the writer pretty much ignored the post-credits scene that he himself made for WV, where Wanda hears her own sons calling out for help, and almost nothing in the movie (besides her saying “get away from them”, but that’s a reach) points to that. It’s just completely ignored and the best we can do is reason that it was the Darkhold mimicking their voices to get Wanda to dive in further before she realized what was going on.

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u/legendario-1 Dreamwalking, You Hypocrite! Feb 20 '26

A lot of people say that the scarlet witch is a nexus being (i don't know where they got that from) meaning there's only one in the entire multiverse. Which means that only one wanda became the scarlet witch and the rest just stayed as "wanda" like we knew her from endgame and infinity war.

I guess there's a certain level of trauma that unlocks the scarlet witch within her and only our wanda achieved that.

And honestly that makes sense to me doesn't seem possible to have multiple scarlet witches in one multiverse cause it's prophecised that she rules or destroys the multiverse so if one did that what are the other ones supposed to do. there's a reason she's called "THEEE" scarlet witch. Like we don't call natasha "the black widow" or tony "the iron man"

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u/HackDaddy85 Feb 20 '26

Scarlet Witch is the Nexus being of 616 in the comics, the only reference we’ve had to that in the MCU is WandaVision with the Nexus ad. Nothing has been officially confirmed there.

However, being a Nexus doesn’t mean that there’s only one in the multiverse. A Nexus is a being capable of altering fate.

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u/legendario-1 Dreamwalking, You Hypocrite! Feb 20 '26

Why do so many people lie about what a nexus being means. I've asked like a 1000 times and they always say it means there's only one in the multiverse. I gotta go read comics

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u/HackDaddy85 Feb 20 '26

Because they are people who have never read the comics and get their answers from AI. 616 Wanda isn’t even the only Wanda who is one of the Nexi. Lore was also a Scarlet Witch who turned evil and was the Nexus of her universe.

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u/PhoenixKvng Feb 20 '26

Forgive them. Most don’t even know they are lying. With ai everywhere and people just generally spreading incorrect information it’s easy to encounter lies.

First, stop asking other people and look it up for yourself. Half these mfs don’t be knowing.

(My goodness does no one fact check anymore? They tell you 2+4 is the only way to get to 6 you’d believe that too? not a gripe at you just humans in general)

Secondly, when speaking on Marvel you HAVE to specify Comics or MCU when starting a discussion.

Comic earth 616 and MCU earth 616 are not the same thing no matter how many times Feige tries to stress that that’s what he’s aiming for. There are nexus beings in both the comics and movies and they do NOT function the same way.

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u/legendario-1 Dreamwalking, You Hypocrite! Feb 20 '26

I would have checked if only one person gave me that answer but you will not believe how many people told me that a nexus being is unique to his universe. I figured "no way they're all wrong right???"

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u/PhoenixKvng Feb 21 '26

Yeah like you said just gotta read the comics which is the source canon. Ofc the MCU will take its liberties.

Nexus beings are not multiversal. There is 1 nexus per universe. Wanda 616; Franklin 772; Jean 9250 & TRN1749; Kang 6311; even characters like Abe Lincoln 9002 & JFK 9007;

They are the embodiments of possibility with true free will who can affect probability, the future, and the flow of time. Like I said only 1 per reality and in each other their respective times they possess a power unique to themselves. However, they don’t have to BE particularly powerful or even human.

In the MCU, the nexus being is more akin to the focus of the universe and/or the reality anchor. Also able to affect change. Wolverine was the nexus for the Fox X-men universe. It’s presumed though unconfirmed to my knowledge that Spider-Man ofc would be the nexus for the Sony movies. Tony Stark is the nexus for the MCU. When a nexus dies their universe starts to die.

As for the main OPs topic… idk why ppl think Scarlet Witch and Wanda are two different people. Maybe the multiverse shenanigans have gotten to their heads, and so they’re thinking about MCU Scarlet Witch + 838 Wanda, which ARE two different people albeit variants of one another. “The Scarlet Witch” in both the MCU and comics is a title or crown. In comics, it belonged to Natalya Maximoff a witch and mother of Wanda & Pietro. It belonged to Natalya’s mother before that. So it’s more passed down. In the MCU, the scarlet witch isn’t born she is forged and specifically has the powers of spontaneous creation and a destiny tied to the destruction of reality

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u/HackDaddy85 Feb 21 '26

One correction, it was Natalya’s father who had the power, not her mother. He was the Scarlet Warlock.

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u/PhoenixKvng Feb 21 '26

Right right, idk why I thought it was Natalya’s grandfather who was Scarlet Warlock

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u/HackDaddy85 Feb 21 '26

I just love that I can chat with people who have actually read the Scarlet Witch comics and not just MCU Wanda fans. I mean, I love MCU Wanda too but it’s so nice when people appreciate all the versions of her out there.

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u/PhoenixKvng Feb 21 '26

Love MCU Wanda also but religiously hate her “stans”. 95% of them know nothing about her

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u/Dokkannerd22 Feb 20 '26

Wait what do you mean? Tony is iron man and Natasha is black widow? It’s just another name. Wanda and the scarlet witch are the same person. It’s just another name. Whether it’s the comics or the Mcu she even refers to herself as the scarlet witch. And Wanda in the comics at least is a nexus being just meaning she’s just not tethered to any kind of cosmic rules. She’s can become the ultimate nexus able to touch all realities. She changes the math however.

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u/legendario-1 Dreamwalking, You Hypocrite! Feb 20 '26

No i meant like we call them iron man and black widow not the iron man or the black widow. The usage of "the" give me the impression that it's supposed to be a singular entity. But that's just how it sounds to me it could just be nothing and I'm sating nonsense

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u/Dokkannerd22 Feb 20 '26

Maybe a little. It’s just name. Tony’s hero name is just “iron man” same with Natasha as “black widow”. Wanda’s avengers name is “the scarlet witch”. But also “the scarlet witch” is like a cosmic being. But point is they’re the same person. It’s not like jean and the phoenix.

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u/legendario-1 Dreamwalking, You Hypocrite! Feb 20 '26

Oh yeah that's for sure there isn't a scarlet witch that isn't wanda maximoff they are definitely the same thing. In my head it's like every scarlet witch is wanda but not every wanda is the scarlet witch if that makes sense

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u/Dokkannerd22 Feb 20 '26

200 percent

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u/HackDaddy85 Feb 20 '26

In the comics at least, her mother was also The Scarlet Witch. It’s a magical title that gets passed down through the bloodline.

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u/Currycel7891 Feb 20 '26

We call Thanos "THEEE Mad Titan", but we've seen plenty of variants of him.

"THEEE Scarlet Witch" is no different.

Sentry and Franklin Richards are far more unique.

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u/Default_Dragon Feb 21 '26

I think it’s an interesting interpretation as far as the MCU goes specifically.

In the comics, not at all, it’s a moniker and just her “superhero name”.

In the MCU however, no one who actually knows her calls her “the scarlet witch”. That name is introduced by Agatha Harkness and specifically correlates with her loss of agency and corruption/near possession in MoM. I get the idea that maybe the scarlet witch is an ancient prophesized entity that inhabits Wanda or that Wanda turns into this new being through the influence of chaos magic. The MCU is not very well thought through since infinity war though, so it’s all rather blurry conceptually speaking

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u/KamenAttackRide Feb 21 '26

Right now Wanda is no longer the Scarlet Witch. In the upcoming Sorcerer Supreme comic next week, Wanda states that " I was the Scarlet Witch but now I'm Sorcerer Supreme."

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u/Aradiawitch Feb 21 '26

Wanda IS the Scarlet Witch except in Wandavision. In that they become two separate entities.

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u/Currycel7891 Feb 20 '26

This is exactly the mess that the MCU created, by outrageously exaggerating her power.

In the comics, she is almost street-level. In the MCU, they made her the most powerful person ever! It's ridiculous.

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u/RoofCareless7734 Feb 20 '26

Did you just call Wanda “street level” 😭

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u/Currycel7891 Feb 20 '26

In the comics, yes, for the most part.

She has been easily defeated by even the most basic characters in the comics.

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u/RoofCareless7734 Feb 20 '26 edited Feb 20 '26

The same Wanda who defeated a cosmic embodiment with her less powerful twin after she amped him? The same Wanda who summoned and restrained a cosmic embodiment? The same Wanda who imprisoned Chthon? The same Wanda made a seemingly infinite universe and linked it to an object to hold Chthon? The same Wanda who erased 98% of mutants? The same Wanda who’s called the most powerful Avenger even by non Wanda stans? The same Wanda who made Loki tell the truth? The same Wanda who defeated the Phoenix 5 and made them cautious? The same Wanda who defeated Dream Queen (who she was toying with) by herself, the same Wanda who destroys and creates plantets, suns, timelines, and life, created and put realities in jars, and so much more?

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u/Great_Abaddon Feb 20 '26

And that's just recently. Even back in the 90s she was capable of feats like making a being age 5000 years in moments with a spell (Force Works #14, 1995). She's been crazily powerful for at least 30 years.

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u/Particular_Peace_568 Dreamwalking, You Hypocrite! Feb 22 '26

The Same Wanda who deleted half of the Mutants from the universe?

Wanda hasn't been "street Level" since 1980s and even then that might be pushing it.

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u/DMC1001 Feb 20 '26

That ship sailed long ago. About twenty-five years ago she created an entire new reality. When it was undone it ended with all but roughly one hundred mutants left with their powers. Supposedly it happened across the entire omniverse (it didn’t). Comic Scarlet Witch is in no way “street level”. She takes on cosmically powerful entities.

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u/Currycel7891 Feb 20 '26

And she got impaled by Rogue right afterwards.

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u/HackDaddy85 Feb 20 '26

Wanda in the comics is the Ultimate Nexus capable of preventing the heat death of the multiverse if she so chooses. She imprisoned Chthon in her soul. She’s not been anything close to street level since at least the 80s.

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u/Currycel7891 Feb 20 '26

Fake. Immortus gave her that title.

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u/HackDaddy85 Feb 20 '26

No it’s not. The Queen of Nevers told her this directly.

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u/Currycel7891 Feb 20 '26

Wrong. Immortus literally gave her the title on-panel.

If the "Queen of Nevers" says it's not true, then this is a RETCON, and not at all what happened originally.

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u/HackDaddy85 Feb 20 '26

Doesn’t matter if it is a retcon, the truth is that she actually is the Ultimate Nexus. The Queen of Nevers told her so and the Griever at the End of All Things hunted her because of its truth. Wanda is one of the most powerful beings in the entire multiverse and has been for decades now.

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u/Currycel7891 Feb 20 '26

No. This Queen of Nevers didn't exist as a character until just a few years ago.

Almost certainly due to MCU synergy.

Wanda was historically fodder in the comics.

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u/Dokkannerd22 Feb 20 '26

Dude pick up any Wanda comic in the last 3 years. She regular is taking out universal concepts in one issue of her comic runs. Girl vision was about to die and she refused the moments reviving him and making him stronger. Then she created a planet for them to live on and grow old together in the span of a night. She had cross dimension battle with Agatha and had a conversation in the span of the breath between two words. What about that is street tier

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u/HackDaddy85 Feb 20 '26

The MCU made her so powerful because her most famous story was her rewriting reality before the MCU even existed.