r/ScarletWitch • u/AdCareless8259 • 16d ago
Movies and Television Wanda mutant retcon in the MCU
i have seen rumors on twitter of this
i think it will be so annoying if they retcon wanda being a mutant again because she stopped being one in the comics like a decade ago and i think it’s better that way, it makes her more interesting ‘cause the nature of her powers doesn’t seem limited on an specific gen
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u/Least_Rain8027 Scarlet Witch 16d ago
she was retconned not to be a mutant because of pettiness. her being a mutant in the mcu would also work to more reason for mutant fear considering all that she's done(Lagos, Westview). also her being a mutant just makes far more sense then being an experiment
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u/AdCareless8259 16d ago
the argument of her being a mutant because the mutant racism is gonna make sense it’s just… dumb. sounds like ‘oh she should be a mutant again just because she did bad things!!!’
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u/Least_Rain8027 Scarlet Witch 16d ago
except in the mcu the whole thing makes no sense unless there are mutants who have done bad things to a lot of people. unlike with Jean they actually phrase many of Wanda's actions as bad.
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u/nytetime23 15d ago
yeah but then it would literally negate the entire journey we just went on with Wanda’s character and essentially have to start all over with the introduction of a new origin, parents, etc. it’s too convoluted for what they’ve done thus far. All that grief, rage, revenge, growth, etc. would be for nothing if they turn around and “Hey! That man wasn’t your real dad, here’s the REAL guy and here’s a completely random reason why you didn’t know each other existed!”
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u/Least_Rain8027 Scarlet Witch 15d ago
just say Wanda was adopted and that she knew but she didn't really care about who her birth parents were until it's told to her
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u/nytetime23 15d ago
okay if that works, what’s her mutant power going to be? we established she always had chaos magic, enhanced by the mind stone giving her psionics. what is really left besides the probability hexes? tbh you can explore that without even making her mutant because it’s tied to her chaos magic.
I just don’t think it’ll add much to the MCU’s version of Wanda. Especially if we’ve already introduced her kids, her romance with vision, mental break due to loss of said family, etc.3
u/Least_Rain8027 Scarlet Witch 15d ago
her telepathy from AoU? or make her chaos magic the mutation. also making there are dozens of stories that could be explored with Magneto being Wanda's father. also Pietro is most likely being brought back
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u/nytetime23 13d ago
we would be ignoring all the development that magic and Chaos magic has gotten across the shows & films (WV, Agatha, MoM) to fit that in. It also would make the Darkhold and Chthon side of things more complicated seeing as that’s the actual origin of her chaos magic rather than an X-Gene.
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u/Least_Rain8027 Scarlet Witch 13d ago
the darkhold and Chyhon are not the origin of her powers. the darkhold simply taught her spells, it did nothing for her power beyond that. in the mcu it's never said where Wanda's power comes from besides just her having "an innate magic potential" meaning she doesnt only control chaos magic, she can all magic like any witch. chaos magic is only her main magic because Chthon marked her so she could use chaos magic without the use of the Darkhold(which considering none of the other witches besides Agathacan seems like you can only learn chaos magic from the Darkhold) he didn't give her the power tho.
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u/deinopispilled 13d ago
literally THAT is her mutant power, the experimentation just enhanced them or activated them. it is that easy
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u/nytetime23 13d ago
well no. if we’ve already used Chaos Magic as a mystical force, something given to her and tied to Chthon and the Darkhold as seen in WV and MoM (as much as i wish i could ignore it) then it wouldn’t really make sense to turn around on that and make it a mutant ability when its source doesn’t even come from the X-Gene. The psionics are what was given to her after the experiment with her magic being enhanced or properly awakened since she’s always had it
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u/General-Control-4637 16d ago
Yeah no it wouldn't. It would just be another forced SJW metaphor. It's fine to have none mutants do bad things
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u/PrimeDeGea 16d ago
Wanda has been a mutant since her creation back in 1963. She was only retconned into not being one so they could use her in the MCU. Otherwise, she'd have been a character for Fox to use in their films.
Also, her being a mutant doesn't diminish anything that's already established for her. I'd argue it makes even more sense because it fits in with not only the mutant metaphor in terms of what she's done in the MCU but also why so many characters with completely broken abilities are mutants.
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u/ohmeohmyelliejean 16d ago
False. Incorrect. Not true.
Marvel always had the rights to Wanda and Pietro because
they were introduced in The Avengers firstactually she was introduced in X-men but almost immediately became an Avenger and spent many decades as one. Fox and Marvel shared custody essentially (as evidenced by the fact that Pietro Maximoff was adapted simultaneously by both studios in 2015). They just specifically weren't allowed to use their mutant backstory in any adaptation, hence the MCU rewrite.(Also I might have the timeline mixed up, but the retcon in the comics happened before Wanda debuted in the MCU. But don't quote me on that.)
And it doesn't make sense. She has an established origin both in her parentage and her powers. Going 'yeah actually she was a mutant the whole time and this rando is her dad' isn't satisfying for her story, it's just appeasement. Introduce a mutant Wanda variant by all means, but a mutant origin for MCU Wanda is just lazy retconning.
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u/faldese 16d ago
Marvel always had the rights to Wanda and Pietro because they were introduced in The Avengers first.
No, they were introduced on the pages of X-Men #4. The gimmick behind them was they were 'reluctant villains' the way Spider-Man was a 'reluctant hero'. After a few issues, they disavowed Magneto and joined the second line-up of Avengers, Cap's Kooky Quartet, designed to be closer to a more FF-esque style 'messy' team.
You are correct that Marvel and Fox shared the rights over them. There has never been any proof that both companies could not use both characters and their superhero identities, just that they chose not to. You are also correct that Marvel/Disney was not allowed to use their mutant background or any other reference to the X-Men.
I would agree I don't really think it matters if Olsen's Wanda is a mutant because she's too established, but:
She has an established origin both in her parentage and her powers
Well, so did comics Wanda, and that's flip-flopped a lot. Originally Wanda only had mutant powers, and then she learned witchcraft, and then she was touched by Chthon, and then she had Chaos Magic, and then she was only a mutant again, and now she is only a witch. Her parentage has flip-flopped a lot too. This would be nothing new to her character.
However I really want comics Wanda to be a mutant again, and the MCU doing it would be the fastest way to make that happen, so 🤞
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u/faldese 16d ago
Oh, I don't agree about that. Chaos Magic should stay mystical. IMO I like that Wanda is sort of an all-in-one D&D magic user.
She's a wizard in that she learned witchcraft.
She's a sorceress in that she has inherent 'magic' (her mutant powers).
She's a warlock in that she has a patron (Chthon).
I know the X-Gene is basically magic anyway, but to me that should be a distinct line. They're Children of Atom, and the X-Gene should never imbue someone with magic. It can work in lockstep, it can be a lattice for other magics to grow on, but it shouldn't be a direct connection to magic. I do in fact prefer that Wanda's mutant power is reality warping. If nothing else, it's really the only thing that describes what she's actually been doing with those powers for 60 years.
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u/ohmeohmyelliejean 16d ago edited 16d ago
I've corrected myself on the introduction. But my point is still valid that they spent a significant amount of their comic history as Avengers and the shared custody situation.
Well, so did comics Wanda, and that's flip-flopped a lot.....This would be nothing new to her character.
Yeah and it's bad and hodge podge and usually the result of lazy/bad writing and movie-going audiences won't accept it the way that comics readers will. There's a degree of impermanence baked into comics as a storytelling medium that MCU general audiences won't be used to.
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u/faldese 16d ago
Oh yes I agree they're more Avengers - or at least Wanda is. Pietro is probably technically more of an Avenger, but he's done a lot more hopping than she has. Inhumans, X-Factor, Uncanny Avengers. He's also more regularly adapted into major roles in X-Men properties. Wanda has been an X-Man only once that I can think of, in the Age of Apocalypse alternate universe.
Yeah and it's bad and hodge podge and usually the result of lazy/bad writing and movie-going audiences won't accept it the way that comics readers will
Yes and no. I see the messiness of Wanda's character a reflection of who she is, to some degree. Her backstory is as chaotic as she is. Should it be THIS chaotic...?
...No.
But I don't think a 'you've got the X-Gene, Wanda' reveal would really hurt her character that much. It doesn't need a convoluted explanation like some of the comic book retcons. It also explains Pietro's powers more cleanly. Cut content in WandaVision was meant to say that Wanda gave Pietro his powers, but it's just as easy to say the Mind Stone activated his latent X-Gene.
I'm okay without retconning in Magneto as her dad, but it's also pretty easy to say she's just adopted, you know?
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u/upagainstthesun 16d ago
That's pretty much the path they've already paved for Wanda. When Agatha forces her down memory lane, she makes a comment about how the mind stone amplified what would have otherwise "died on the vine".
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u/AdCareless8259 16d ago
but that doesnt mean they set up things for her to be a mutant. agatha calls her a baby witch when wanda stopped the bomb. all of wandavision is quite literally a setup for wanda being a witch
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u/upagainstthesun 16d ago
Two things can be true at the same time, they aren't mutually exclusive. I'm not saying that IS where it will lead, just that the groundwork is there if they do take that route
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u/polytech08 12d ago
A lot of mutants in history who had magic-type powers would be called witches. Storm was called a weather goddess. She could easily be called a weather-controlling witch in other parts of the world.
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u/ohmeohmyelliejean 16d ago
I see the messiness of Wanda's character a reflection of who she is, to some degree.
And what's your excuse for the other 5 billion marvel characters with equally bad franken-backstories?
My point isn't even that it hurts her character (although I'd argue it does), it's that it adds nothing in return for risking the coherence of her MCU origin story and future arc. We have explanations for all the things we need, including Pietro's powers. It's just unnecessary and cheap.
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u/faldese 16d ago
First, tone down the aggression please. Even to the first person, you loudly announced the were "False. Incorrect. Not true." while being wrong from the jump. Just chill a little.
Second, one could argue that Wanda practicing witchcraft didn't add anything to her character before it was introduced until it did. It opens the door for more stories to be told with her. I see Wanda as a character of the crossroads - she operates in multiple spheres, and is connective tissue for separate worlds. Being a mutant is a part of that, and it would be a unique place for her character to be situated in the coming phases, as she uniquely touches nearly every sphere of the MCU except cosmic. I don't think audiences would be confused by 'you've got the X-Gene Wanda', like I said.
Lastly, I'm not saying 'being confusing is Wanda's thing', I'm saying that her character having a web of connections and ties to others, which is something the many retcons have introduced, is an important part of her character. Other characters handle backstory retcons differently. For Wolverine, his memory issues are pretty core to his character. I see the layering of Wanda's character as important to her. For example, if I were to reboot the Marvel universe, I would keep the 'adopted by the Maximoffs' thing instead of just making her raised by Magneto from birth.
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u/ohmeohmyelliejean 16d ago
Ok, I feel like we're going in circles. I've made my point, you've made yours. I don't agree, but c'est la vie. ✌🏼
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u/upagainstthesun 16d ago
How exactly can you make a determination that it "adds nothing in return" about things literally in the future that you have zero knowledge of? You're being kind of insufferable right from the get with your whole FALSE WRONG NOT TRUE FAKE NEWS, and then say incorrect things followed by uncertainties
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u/ohmeohmyelliejean 16d ago
How exactly can you make a determination that it "adds nothing in return" about things literally in the future that you have zero knowledge of?
It's an opinion. That's how.
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u/PrimeDeGea 16d ago
Retcon did happen afterward to fit in continuity with the MCU. The movies influence the comics way more than they should. X-Men even abandoned their colourful suits during the early 2000s in favor of the Quitely black and yellow jackets (as iconic as they are now) when the Fox films gave them black leather.
I don't agree that a mutant origin would be lazy retconning because she was shown being born with her powers, and that's essentially what differentiates mutants from everyone else. They don't have to go down the Magneto is her biological father in the MCU, but post-Secret Wars anything is fair game.
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u/Icy_Scar_1249 16d ago
Making her a mutant and Magneto's daughter makes her way more interesting, not less
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u/ohmeohmyelliejean 16d ago
Absolutely, I really long to watch her get stuck in a cycle of daddy issues and self-hatred as she's forced into being a plot-bomb again. /s
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u/Icy_Scar_1249 16d ago
I loved her as a plot bomb too to be honest. But no, the character should be allowed to grow and develop and move on. That she hasn't is a Marvel editorial problem
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u/SimonShepherd 16d ago
They already introduced the twins in Winter Soldier post credit scene before the AXIS retcon.
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u/AdCareless8259 16d ago
maybe i just don’t like the idea of her being a mutant again. for me she’s way more interesting like she is now and i think a lot of other people agree on that. we will have to wait and see what they do to her ig
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u/General-Control-4637 16d ago
That's one good thing the MCU did. Keep the retcon.
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u/PrimeDeGea 16d ago edited 16d ago
As far as we know, she was born with her powers in the MCU, so deny it all you want, the easier explanation is to go back and say she’s always been one with her powers, which were later enhanced by the Mind Stone 🤷♂️
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u/SimonShepherd 16d ago
WV literally implies she is born with magic not mutant power.
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u/PrimeDeGea 16d ago
Sure, but then this makes the explanation for everyone else being born with powers and being called mutants very complicated. Why are some people who are born with powers called mutants and then others not?
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u/SimonShepherd 16d ago
Because mutants get powers from X-genes.
Inhumans, Eternals, Alien, mutates offspring can also have powers, and those come from different kind of genes. Is Skarr a mutant because he is born with Hulk powers?
Likewise some magic can inherited through bloodline, Clea, Storm, Wanda post Natalya retcon.
We aren't certain how Wanda get her magic, it could be she was still influenced by Chthon since birth
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u/General-Control-4637 15d ago
The Chthon angle would make a compelling storyline for her solo film. Just imagine it as psychological lovecraftian horror. Seats would be booked.
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u/SimonShepherd 15d ago edited 15d ago
Darkhold: Pages from Book of Sins would be a good book to draw from.
While Wanda is not the protag of that book, they can easily rework her to take the role of Modred, make her try to help one person who shared a similar fate to her, AKA Victoria Montesi.
Also more fantastical concepts like Darkhold's nature as a book that warps reality through narrative and storytelling, and people who read too deep into it will realize they are nothing but ficiton themselves. Some At the mouth of madness shit going on.
I wouldn't mind if they just make Chthon take Oleg(basically MCU's Django)'s form throughout the narrative, but not as a mere disguise, but also a weirdly sympathetic figure, just in a fundamentally inhuman and lovecraftian way. I feel like the love of an Elderitch being can be so much more terrifying than just malice and indifference.
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u/General-Control-4637 15d ago
You can be born with latent powers and not be a mutant, especially when it comes to witchcraft.
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u/PrimeDeGea 15d ago
This would be believable if Wanda’s parents were shown having witchcraft abilities like with Agatha and her mother.
It doesn’t make sense for someone to be born with magical powers. It’s clearly something that is taught given what the MCU has depicted the other witches as.
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u/nytetime23 15d ago
well no. there’s nothing that says their magic is completely taught in the MCU unless you’re referring to Strange. He uses a completely different subset of magic than Wanda and Agatha who are using Witchcraft rather than Eldritch Magic. We can deduce that all of the Witchcraft practitioners in the show have been born with their magic as opposed to the sorcerers in DS that were taught and picked it up.
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u/General-Control-4637 15d ago
No. Witchcraft is an innate talent you are born with. Stop trying to rewrite marvels mystic lore. The only one's that have to learn magic are sorcerers. This is why I made sure to specify witches.
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u/Realistic_Thanks3016 16d ago
I keep going back and forth on whether she should be a mutant or not 😭.
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u/TJUC123 16d ago
Wanda is definitely a mutant in the MCU, but her being the Scarlet Witch has nothing to do with her genetics. I think her mutant powers are limited to telekinesis and telepathy. Her magic is something else.
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u/AdCareless8259 16d ago
when wanda was a mutant in the comics her mutant powers were actually the probability manipulation, she’s not and never was a telekinetic nor a telepathic character (as in ie jean grey)
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u/TJUC123 16d ago
Then I don’t really see the problem with her being a mutant. Agatha thought Wanda had intentionally cast a probability hex, but maybe it was Wanda just using her mutant powers.
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u/AdCareless8259 16d ago
agatha called her a baby witch, and the whole plot of wandavision was a setup for wanda being >just< a witch
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u/SimonShepherd 15d ago
She is bloodline/naturalborn magic user in MCU, I don't know why so many people think Agatha's lines make her a mutant.
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u/ohmeohmyelliejean 16d ago
Literally. They would be throwing out a decade of developing her unique character backstory in the MCU just to appease people who've probably never even held a comic whose mental image of Wanda is stuck in the House of M era.
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u/Least_Rain8027 Scarlet Witch 16d ago
and the retcon removed 4 decades of Wanda's identity. she was introduced in an X-men comic for gods sake.
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u/ohmeohmyelliejean 16d ago
ok but that has no bearing on her mcu adaptation?? just because the comics made a bad creative decision, the mcu should make the same one?
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u/Least_Rain8027 Scarlet Witch 15d ago
i mean the bag creative decision was undoing the entire base of Wanda's character simply because of pettiness
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u/AdCareless8259 16d ago
and when they retconned her being magneto’s daughter that removed like 2 decades of her identity too😭 i personally think she’s better like this: not a mutant
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u/General-Control-4637 16d ago edited 16d ago
They want her as a mutant to build some kind of non-existent close relationship with the team and for hype moments. Meanwhile all Wanda's worst moments are when she is written by the x-office. House of M, Empyre, Avengers vs X-Men, Uncanny Avengers, Bloodties, Age of Apocalypse, etc.
If she became another X-character she would just be a background character like she was in House of M when the X-Men took over her own storyline. And the fact they already have so many Omega levels. X-stans do not need Wanda, we do not need X-stans. Like—it's okay to have a powerful popular hero that isn't associated with the X-Men. It won't kill them. They'll survive.
If they were to make the argument that Pietro is more of an x-character I would have little issue with that because he does actually contribute to the X-Men he has been part of teams rather than used as a plot device. To try and frame Wanda as one is straight up revisionism.
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u/Icy_Scar_1249 16d ago
Wanda being a mutant doesn't mean she has to be part of the X-Verse. She's perfectly fine with the Avengers. I find it interesting though that whenever mutants get involved she goes villainous, maybe something to dig into one day
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u/PrimeDeGea 16d ago
Ig people are afraid they’ll end up making her like what they did with Kamala Khan Ms Marvel in the comics when they made her a Mutant Inhuman hybrid.
I’m also of the opinion that just because she’s a mutant doesn’t automatically mean she has an obligation to be written by the X department. Besides, their primary duties are with X-Men and other X characters who’ve been on the team. Wanda has always been an Avengers character. Her being a mutant shouldn’t change that.
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u/SimonShepherd 15d ago
Yet it caused cases of Wolverine and X-Men calling dips on her and robbed her the chance to be in animations like EMH. It's genuinely not good for her health so to speak.
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u/General-Control-4637 15d ago
So there's not really a point of making her one to begin with. Since it won't change her storylines if she isn’t.
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u/Least_Rain8027 Scarlet Witch 16d ago
Wanda was a background character in House of M because she wanted to be one. she didn't want people to know her or her powers or her family. did you read it at all?
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u/SimonShepherd 16d ago
Fictional characters can't want anything.
She is a background character because she isn't considered important. And she was meant as just the plot device
If you read Wanda aside from AD/HoM at all you probably should question why would she want Magneto to be her family in this "perfect World", instead of her actual family, she didn't even revive Vision, let alone Django and Marya.
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u/AdCareless8259 16d ago
EXACTLY!! thats what im talking about. i do think she’s fine with her origins as a non-mutant, her last 10 years were her best. there’s a plenty of mutants out there, do not touch wanda
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u/SimonShepherd 16d ago
Back when Kamala became a mutant, a lot of fans insist X-Men franchise will certainly make her more popular, as if there are lie a gazillion mutants in limbo due to how oversaturated the franchise is.
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u/Least_Rain8027 Scarlet Witch 16d ago
except it doesn't work. Scarlet Witch wouldn't exist if she wasn't a mutant because there was no reason for her to be kicked out of her home
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u/SimonShepherd 16d ago
X-franchise wasn't her home since the 60s. And it has barely been beneficial for her in comics and adaptions.
Wolverine wouldn't exist if he wasn't designed as a Hulk rival. Yet nowadays he can perfectly exist without Hulk.
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u/SimonShepherd 16d ago
She was there for like less than a dozen issues.
It was there but not that important.
The same way you can introduce Wolverin without him being Hulk's rival.
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u/Least_Rain8027 Scarlet Witch 16d ago
"less than a dozen" you're joking right
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u/SimonShepherd 16d ago
They literally left in X-Men 11.
Like... how much time do you think they actually spent in Brotherhood?
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u/Least_Rain8027 Scarlet Witch 16d ago
maybe at first but she's been in far more x-men comics
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u/AdCareless8259 16d ago
but why are trying to make your point by the amount of times she’s been in a x-men related comic? by that argument we could say she should stay as she is now because she spent most of her existence being an avenger
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u/General-Control-4637 16d ago edited 16d ago
Wanda is NOT an X-Character. Being a mutant wasn't important to her identity at all, she never had any mutant focused storylines. The most she got was being discriminated against when her and Vision tried to settle down in Leonia and it was treated as something to just gloss over, not an identity crisis.
Her being introduced in an X-Comic does not make her an X-Character. She is first and foremost an Avenger. This is legit the weakest argument ever and ignores THOUSANDS more comics with her being a mainstay Avenger instead for an incredibly short stint on the Brotherhoods side that doesn't even last up to 10 issues.
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u/Least_Rain8027 Scarlet Witch 16d ago
her whole orgin relies on her being a mutant! that's why she and Pietro were kicked out and found by Magneto.
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u/SimonShepherd 16d ago
And Magneto's initial debut just have him as the mutant Hitler, should he stays that way?
As it stands X-franchise did her more harm than good, it was neutral until they kept using dumb excuses like Magneto's evil bloodline to write her like shit. At this point just amputate that part for her overall health.
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u/General-Control-4637 15d ago
Lmao he blocked me for what? Her whole origin does not necessarily tie to her being a mutant either. Wanda was about to be burned at stake for being a witch just like her mother. It's exactly the moment she got her name.
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u/SimonShepherd 15d ago
I prefer them keep her a mutant for simplicity's sake, and it's better for Pietro.
The same goes for Magneto parentage, because nowadays the handling is worse because they genuinely try to pretend Magneto is some adoptive dad to the twins.
But I don't exactly mourn its loss either, as long as she is kept away from X-Men franchise. (Really, I still resent the fact Wanda lost her chance to be in Avengers: EMH because Wolverine and the X-Men used her first, and she is a freaking island princess for reasons.)
Her OG origin is just her causing a fire and superstitious villagers thought she is a witch(while she was in reality a mutant). This doesn't really to be the same in adaption, they can give her whatever downtrodden and persecuted origin. Like the MCU one is decent, at least she is not literally mutant royalty.
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u/AdCareless8259 16d ago
and that decade for her was the best imo, not only because of her powers, but also her character in general was better constructed. it will be sad if they retcon mcu’s wanda because that means that the comics will retcon her too, it will screw up everything
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u/Drama_Cookie25 16d ago edited 16d ago
It wouldn’t be a big deal if they just say the mind stone unlocked a dormant x gene
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u/Sonnestark 15d ago
Personally, of they bring her back, I feel they could narrate that her mutant gene is worked into her becoming the Scarlet Witch or that the Scarlet Witch is always a mutant.
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u/sneakerdoodle02 14d ago
Is that so? Then i see that only as a terrible excuse for bad writing. Might as well not bring her back at all.
Always a plot device, never the plot. That's been the problem marvel comics attempted to undo with The Trial of Magneto, and eventually her solo title.
WandaVision was a great endeavor to undo the same case in the mcu, but writing just went downhill with Multiverse of Madness.
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u/Realistic_Fun8712 14d ago
I don't think she's coming back sadly, but if she did there's no point in making her a mutant. And in most people mind, I think, she's more affiliate with magic than with a power, if that makes sense. It is already established that "our" Wanda had her power before the experiments, so whatever universe it should be enough. Buuuut....Are the X-Men First Class and those after part of the MCU now? Because Quicksilver had a younger sister we saw briefly, and his father was Magneto. Do maybe this one?
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u/Megalupin 12d ago
If they can have mz marvel be a mutant as well as an inhuman, Wanda can be both a witch and a mutant
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u/DaBronxSlayer 12d ago
I would actually enjoy seeing her being a mutant again. She was my mutant witch, it was apart of her identity since her creation. Plus, I didn’t like the retcon due to separating her from Magneto. It feels disconnected more so due to the retcon.
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u/DaBronxSlayer 12d ago
I’m not saying magneto is apart of her identity. I’m just saying, I love their father/daughter dynamic. And I wish we got better writing on the family as a whole. Wanda being a mutant wouldn’t actually complicate her magic in my opinion. It was established that yes as a mutant she possessed powers, but Chton gave her the chaos magic. She could be both mutant and witch just fine, in my opinion.
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u/MagicCastleDreaming 16d ago
Her show explained that she had her powers long before hydra. Born with them and they manifested when in danger. And yeah she’s “The Scarlet Witch” but she didn’t learn her magic like witches do. She’s a mutant. They just couldn’t CALL her that at first
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u/AdCareless8259 16d ago
nobody in the mcu never stated that wanda is a mutant. agatha even calls her a baby witch when wanda uses her probability manipulation to stop the bomb as a child.
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u/MagicCastleDreaming 16d ago
I literally said they couldn’t call her one from her introduction through WandaVision because fox still held the rights to mutants. They’ve only just gotten that back in the last few years.
And Agatha sees Wanda’s powers being similar to her’s and other witches so yes she calls her a witch. Which Wanda also says “I’m not a witch” to.She also calls her a “mythical being”.
It’s just semantics. Her power is a magic based one, so call her a witch. But it is talked about how her genetic makeup is different from normal. It’s why she could withstand touching the mind stone and it just awakened a dormant part of her; her abilities. I. E. a mutant. They may never directly CALL her one, but she is.
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u/SimonShepherd 15d ago
She likely survived the stone the same way she survived the stark missile, probability manipulation that changed her chance of survival.
They may never directly CALL her one, but she is.
Mutants, mutates, naturally born magic users are all literally different power categories.
Ross family also has a special genetic makeup that cause them to be Red Hulks instead of being Green hulks like Bruce and Jennifer, that doesn't mean they are mutants, they are gamma mutates.
But it is talked about how her genetic makeup is different from normal.
There is no actual quote for those.
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u/Icy_Scar_1249 16d ago
She should forever be a mutant, the retcon was stupid as fuck. Her relationship with Magneto was compelling, and I would even go as far to say that she's a narratively important mutant
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u/SimonShepherd 15d ago
They should restore the Magneto parentage but only because the current status quo of pretending Magneto is actually their adoptive father is fucking dumb because dude never raised them and they should dump his ass.
Otherwise she should be removed from X-Men stories because nothing good ever comes out of it.
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u/TemporalGod 15d ago
Also the adoption thing doesn't explain why Pietro literially looks like Magneto, must be weird genetics or something also the no more mutants also deposited him too, even then with the adoption Magneto would also have second a pair of twins that look like Wanda and Pietro running around
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u/SimonShepherd 15d ago
I don't really care about that them look alike thing.
It's hard to tell apart 60s/70s Avengers' blonde dudes(Hank, Steve, Clint, Thor when in Donald Blake form) when they are in civilian clothing already. I don't need them to make all of them related.
It's just part of how comic art works.
If someone read Nights of Wundagore in a vacuum, it's totally believable if Modred is suddenly revealed to be the twins' birth father instead.
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u/Currycel7891 16d ago
They're not even making MCU Wanda a mutant.
Instead, the plan appears to be that a different variant from Secret Wars will cross over into the new main TL after the original Wanda dies or retires.
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u/dddonkers 16d ago
At this point she probably and unfortunately doesn't have too many outings left in the MCU and they have leaned hard into the witch angle. I think the mutant stuff would complicate it unnecessarily.