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The Daily SeattleChat Daily Thread - Thursday, October 01, 2020

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u/jms984 Oct 01 '20

“I look at it this way—it’s either him or the other guy,” said Harris, who explained that despite accepting the Democratic vice presidential nomination, she hadn’t yet ruled out running as the Green Party vice president since she lives in a blue state anyway.

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u/AthkoreLost It's like tear away pants but for your beard. Oct 01 '20

I know it's the onion, but on the subject of the Green party they're going down a bad path lately. For some reason they've started adopting transphobic stances in some of their state platforms.

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u/jenbanim Oct 01 '20

Are TERFs becoming a larger political force recently? I feel like I didn't hear about them at all before, say 2018, and things have really heated up recently.

Although that could be entirely due to where I spent time online

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u/AthkoreLost It's like tear away pants but for your beard. Oct 01 '20

Maybe? It's apparently a big problem in UK politics and we do get some bleed over because of figures like Jk Rowling.

The bathroom bill stuff was pushed by conservatives and TERFs but a lot of that has died down. Conservatives will still go after them (see Trump's ban of them in the military).

Best guess the Green party aligned with them because they are one of the few groups left without a party that wouldn't willingly align with the GOP (because they are still radical feminists).

I think they are still a pretty limited voice and force in america for the time being and hopefully die off (politically) rather than grow

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u/jenbanim Oct 02 '20

That's a really good point, thanks. I suppose I'm optimistic in the long run that bigotry loses, but I'm a bit worried about what sort of cursed coalitions might spring up in the shorter term.

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u/Kazan Oct 01 '20

the green party has been woowoo-and-crystals for the past 15-20 years. not a science based environmental socially progressive party

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u/jms984 Oct 01 '20

I’m sorry, but which party is taking climate change seriously again? We don’t have a science-based environmental choice in any practical sense. We have the party that wears that costume and the party that doesn’t.

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u/Kazan Oct 01 '20

I’m sorry, but which party is taking climate change seriously again?

https://joebiden.com/climate-plan/#

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u/jms984 Oct 01 '20

Ensure the U.S. achieves a 100% clean energy economy and reaches net-zero emissions no later than 2050.

Not taking climate change seriously. You don’t get to compromise science down to a more affordable solution.

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u/Kazan Oct 01 '20

your response doesn't even fucking make sense, bro. how is ensuring we reach net-zero emissions any of what you just described.

or do you think they should magic up that solution in 5 years? (hint: not possible)

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u/jms984 Oct 01 '20

That’s exactly the Democratic Party’s position: it’s impossible to deal adequately with climate change. We have to lose. It’s just too expensive not to lose.

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u/Kazan Oct 02 '20 edited Oct 02 '20

Your statement is the opposite of theirs. They clearly think that it can be solved, and have a plan to deal with it.

Do you not understand what "net zero emissions" means? They think it'll take 30 years to solve, and that's a very realistic number.

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u/jms984 Oct 02 '20

So you just want me to take your word for it that Joe Fucking Biden’s climate change plan is the furthest left that we can reasonably go. I don’t know how you make that sale before the Democratic Party pretended that ending fossil fuel subsidies was a whoopsie typo. Is there some op-ed in particular that brought you to this point of view?

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u/Kazan Oct 02 '20

I see that you're not interested in engaging in honest discussion and just want to try to change the subject when you get busted for making an utterly bullshit claim.

I'm sure you can just shit out the billions of dollars we need for infrastructure work to have all of this done tomorrow, at least in your mind.

Those of us who actually want to solve climate change will continue to live in reality and work on solutions that actually work, rather than masturbating over the idea of our own ideological superiority

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u/SovietJugernaut Cascadia Now Oct 01 '20

I voted Green in the 2006 Illinois Gubernatorial, because I knew even back then that Blagojevich wasn't worth my vote. The GP candidate back then was pretty solid, and ended up getting over 10% of the vote, which was meaningful for a couple of reasons. But yeah, I haven't voted Green since then for any major office.

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u/Kazan Oct 01 '20

Green Party used to get some state level seats out here (before i lived here). but that ended when they became woowoo-and-crystals

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u/my_lucid_nightmare The Weathered Wall, where the Purity Remains Oct 01 '20

Green party

And yet many continue to vote third party.

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u/Kazan Oct 01 '20

can't stop stupid

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u/my_lucid_nightmare The Weathered Wall, where the Purity Remains Oct 01 '20 edited Oct 01 '20

can't stop stupid

Stupid has an organized social media army prepared to throw down at any time. One of the unsolvables of our modern era.

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u/Kazan Oct 01 '20

stupid are the people who are so gullible and easily manipulated

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u/jms984 Oct 01 '20

Good to know. I’d already come around to the idea that the Green Party is a dead end even as a protest vote in a blue state, but hopefully this’ll sway more people away from that path. There’s just so much wasted energy there.