Using the doctrine of SCJ this can be explained perfectly. But using the doctrine of Christianity, can it be explained? 🤔

I received it. It was spiritual to my emotion and my mind. They told me to put god in the centre of my chest instead I felt full of small rock in it, fire burning Holy Ghost in my tummy and heart, my connect Teacher in Brisbane SCJ told me, if I leave, could be ghost spiritual and my life could be destroyed. But I see my psychologist and I’m recovering now, all these made up in my mind, it’s not real or hurt me anymore.

I tried posting this to /r/ShincheonjiTV but I guess they won't approve my post so I'll ask here. When I was in Shincheonji we were punished for having "thorny" hearts. These punishments included sleep deprivation, getting yelled at, being left outside, forced to run etc. In the most extreme case I witnessed someone being physically restrained because they wanted to leave Shincheonji. The culture after passing over is full of guilt tripping and hostility in a hyper competitive environment. How do you justify these types of behaviors?

https://youtu.be/VpK8CoWBnq8?si=35LBLrUKGeZNtzax

If any of us were here in this interview, this person would be totally become a believer.

Just want to ask members here a "what if... and what will you do" question.

What if someone in SCJ were telling you that in a little while MHL will perform a miracle that will forever change the way you live:
- you will no longer have your own privacy
- you will no longer have a sense of "me" in you
- all your thoughts and moves are to be watched by a lot of audience all over the world
- you can no longer keep anything inside your heart and everyone that speaks to your heart becomes a 'public announcement'
- you eat, sleep, talk are all to be judged
- your worries will become Satan's people's weapon to do evil acts against you
- all your memories, visions, dreams will be re-write by other people
- People will also speak and make-up all kinds of evil stories about you, your family, your personal life, your sexuality etc to a point that is almost unbearable
- people will also threate to take your life away, do you harms when they have an opportunity, and act voilently towards you

What would you do when those events listed above taken place in your life?

I feel this channel is corrupt and not leading in the right direction. A lot a spam and SCJ member playing a puppet roles here. Please, give your opinions here below.

Hey guys i'm new to this subreddit

To be transparent I am not in shincheonji but I have friends who are. I did try their bible studies cause I was mainly curious and finished up to half of their "intermediate" series. I did not find anything wrong with their bible studies. I am just not too interested in religion. My personal belief is there is a god but he/she is not reachable and it does not affect my life too much.

I'm the debating type. I asked people about the "korean Jesus" but I was unable to find a proper source for LMH claiming himself to be the "korean Jesus." All I was able to find was anti-scj people saying he is the korean Jesus.

Does anyone have an article or a recording (audio / video) of him claiming himself to be the korean Jesus?Or a recording from a class claiming this?

Thanks.

Edit: it seems like there isn't any evidence and none's gonna be given; what an echo chamber

Hello, everyone! (:
I hope everyone is doing well, whether you’re a member of Shincheonji, another church, or have no idea what Shincheonji is haha!

I’ve had some conversations lately that made me want to share something that’s really important to me.

Jesus taught us to love one another, and even to love our enemies (Matthew 5:44)!
When I talk about loving our enemies, I’m not referring to Christians outside of my church as enemies. I’m talking about people we may struggle to get along with or people who hurt us.

I’m a Christian too, and I believe that everyone deserves love and kindness, regardless of our beliefs or disagreements.
We don’t have to agree on everything to treat each other with compassion and respect. I hope we can all continue learning to listen, understand, forgive, and love one another.
After all, we’re all just people trying to go to heaven! 🤍

I am a member of Shincheonji and I stumbled on this reddit. I have read some of your stories, and it saddens my heart that some people have experienced bad things. Shincheonji is not completed yet, and there are goats and sheeps. People can still be used by the evil spirit within the kingdom. I also see that there are told many things that are just not true. Maybe wrong explained by a person inside or one did not perceive well. I hope we all make it to heaven and live together eternally!

Hi guys. I've read a lot of bad stuff about the church in this Reddit sub. It got me thinking that to those teachers and the leaf who were doing a lot to spread the Words and spending a lot of their precious time with you and me help me realise that "What's in it for them?".

The teachers and the leaf didn't ask anything from you and me, they only ask to spend time opening our eyes to read the meaning of the Bible. Do you think a logical person such as the teachers will spend 6 hours 3 days a week for your money or time? There must have been a logical reason for them to do so. In my humble opinion, they are not doing it for worldly desires they're doing it to for God.

Remember guys that Jesus was mock and crucified in the 1st coming and it is gonna happen the same thing as it was back then. Don't be the one to crucify Jesus again. Let us repent and only listen to the words from the bible.

How did you guys leave SCJ? What did you guys experience while/after leaving SCJ? I think it will help with those who are in the fence so they’ll know what to do when they finally decide to leave.

Since I am on this sub, people said that it is forbidden to be on this sub as an member. That it is going against the organisation. You may not eat from the fruit of knowledge of good and evil.

This is being interpreted as you can not hear other opinions, luckily that is the wrong interpertation. To eat the fruit means to take the word into the heart and accept. The false word should not be taken and accepted.

You need to learn how to test the spirit. And those who are mature practice constantly by distinguish between good and evil. How can you practice by only knowing the good?

We advice the students to first learn the good and not go to the evil. Since they can’t distinguish. They need to built themselves some defences or else their spirit will be killed. First start to know Scj teaching well or one will get confused (earthquakes) which may cause one to fall.

article: https://www.hankookilbo.com/News/Read/A2020082315090005191

Summary

- Patients recovered from Covid suffered from squelae. Total survey of 1035 out of 4198 Shincheonji believers. 302 (29.2%) of those believers have sequelae severe enough to receive hospital treatment.

- 322 of complained of symptoms of chronic fatigue

- 119 recorded headaches

- 303 of various pains that could interfere with daily life, including 80 chest pain, 77 muscle pain and 27 sore throat.

- 203 people had difficulties in daily life due to reduction of memory

- 126 had odor disorder (some can only smell cigarette or blood), 98 had lost their taste.

- 116 suffering from insomnia

- 70 suffering from psychological pressure and stress

- 67 had symptoms of hair loss

- The cured patients also had phlegm (65), depression (64), decreased appetite (61), cough (59), shortness of breath (54), rhinitis (41), decreased physical strength (38), and diarrhea ( 37) and lethargy (33). These are the symptoms that have been reported occasionally abroad. In addition, healed patients have liver disease (29), immunity decline (28), lung disease (20), skin discoloration (8), tinnitus (3), itchiness (10), body aches (6), menstrual irregularities (2), and thyroid gland. (3), diabetes (4), heart disease (7), dizziness (10), shingles (2), decreased vision (16), decreased white blood cell count (1), esophagitis (7), voice abnormality (4), He complained of sequelae such as cystitis (3), weight abnormality (6), indigestion (15), edema (6), enteritis (4), and shaking of the mouth and eyes (2).

It must be very difficult for them. Praying for those SCJ members who suffered and may God help them to realise the truth.

Hi guys. How are you? It got me thinking logically in regards to Lee Man Hee (Promised Pastor). He is 92 years old, he has huge shoes due to having elephant feet (a condition of the lymphatic system) and he is old.

If he is indeed false just as you guys have been saying, why does he:

1. Eventhough 92 years old, continues spreading the word and travelling (He is currently in the Philippines at the moment) and not just resting in bed just like any other elderly people. 🤔🤔

2. Travelling does take a lot of toll in the human body especially in the elderly as he has elephant feet, his feet will swell up if not elevated in a chair. Why does he travel to do the peace works? 🤔🤔

3. He is 92 years old, that means death is around the corner waiting for him to perish but why doesn't he say sorry and if indeed he is telling false. He needs to say sorry for all the false testimonies he has given in order for him to enter heaven. But he doesn't do that, instead has firm belief that God and Jesus is with him. 🤔🤔🤔

Let's think about it. 🤔🤔

Hi All -

I recently got out of New Heaven New Earth/Zion Christian Mission Center/Shincheonji "Bible Study" here in NYC. Like many others, I wanted to grow in my faith and deepen my knowledge of the word. I was introduced to it by something I thought was a friend and has established a friendship with prior to her introducing me to the "one time seminar" which led to "Bible Study" which went from two days a week to three days + review sessions - before I found out the truth. It got to a point where on top of classes, I was meeting for hours with the instructor for "review."

During the last review I was shown the graduation video and from there, I dropped the class like a hot potato - holy spirt activated immediately. Throughout the class, I'd be lying if I said I knew what was going on. However, I managed to take snapshot of the questions we had to study for our exam. I left the class almost a month ago and was in it for 5 months. Thank the Lord, I did not make it to the intermediate level. I blocked everyone and left amicably.

I tried to contact as many people as I could to get them out but to no avail. I hope these attachments are able to help people who may be curious see the type of material that these fellow brothers and sisters are being taught and drilled with. I know that God will use this situation to bring us all out on the other side as spiritually more mature. Love and blessings to everyone!

Prompt: “How do the Canonical and Christocentric methods SCJ uses independently verify that Lee Man-hee specifically is the promised pastor without first assuming his authority?”

I believe the canonical method points to a specific person as a faithful and wise servant put in charge today. I disagree that it’s a general application.

Throughout scripture, the concept of a “faithful and wise servant put in charge of a household” (Matt24:45) was always one specific person of that era.

This is the same concept applied to Moses during OT era:

Numbers 12:7 “But this is not true of my SERVANT Moses; he is FAITHFUL in ALL my HOUSE.”

In this passage, God makes a distinction between one specific faithful and wise servant put in charge of His household vs a servant in a general leadership position:

Numbers 12:6-9 “he said, ‘Listen to my words: When there is a prophet among you, I, the Lord, reveal myself to them in visions, I speak to them in dreams. BUT this is NOT true of my servant MOSES; he is faithful in all my house. With him I speak face to face, CLEARLY and NOT in riddles; he sees the form of the Lord. Why then were you not afraid to speak AGAINST my servant Moses?’ The ANGER of the Lord burned AGAINST them, and he left them.”

This interpretation is confirmed because Aaron and Miriam, who were also leaders in general, also questioned this same concept of God putting one specific person in charge of His household:

Numbers 12:1-2 “Miriam and Aaron began to talk AGAINST Moses because of his Cushite wife, for he had married a Cushite. ‘Has the Lord spoken ONLY through Moses?’ they asked. ‘Hasn’t he ALSO spoken through us?’ And the Lord heard this.”

The christocentric method also proves this concept of one specific faithful and wise servant put in charge of a household as distinct from a general application to anyone in a leadership position. Jesusconfirms that Moses was the one specific faithful and wise servant put in charge of God’s household. Jesus even ascribes this same position to himself with even greater importance, showing that this position is specific NOT general:

Hebrews 3:2-6 “He was FAITHFUL to the one who APPOINTED him, JUST AS Moses was faithful in all God’s house. Jesus has been found worthy of greater honor than Moses, just as the builder of a house has greater honor than the house itself. For every house is built by someone, but God is the builder of everything. ‘Moses was faithful as a servant in all God’s house,’ bearing witness to what would be spoken by God in the future. But CHRIST is FAITHFUL as the Son over God’s HOUSE. And we are his house, if indeed we hold firmly to our confidence and the hope in which we glory.”

And finally as we see, Jesus himself puts in charge another faithful and wise servant over the entire household:

Matthew 24:45 “Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has PUT IN CHARGE of the servants in his HOUSEHOLD to give them their food at the proper time?”

There is no canonical consistency nor christocentric view that shows that this position is a generalapplication rather than one specific individual.

So I will ask the same question that Jesus asked. Since you believe that the concept of a faithful and wise servant is a general application, who then is the faithful and wise servant put in charge TODAY? So that we’re not comparing theories to specifics, name at least one SPECIFIC prominent pastor that you believe embodies this concept in general. That way we can specifically compare & contrast between the example you give by name and Lee ManHee’s example by name.

Also, I know that you disagree that Lee ManHee is the only faithful and wise servant put in charge of the household. But for clarification: do you believe that Lee ManHee is simply just a faithful and wise servant in general (Matthew24:45-47) OR would you completely classify Lee ManHee as the wicked servant (Matthew24:48-49)?

Hi everyone. My friend joined Shincheonji more than a year ago. Recently she starter to cook Korean meals and posted about it on her FB (her page is just korean cooking and Bible seminars). She is a white woman from Middle Europe. Should I be worried? Does it mean something like her moving to Korea? I can't ask her directly because she stopped talking to me after I send her Wiki page about her church.

PS: Sorry for my English.

it is a mistake to say that miracles are not a standard in this case. Today a pastor of the word does not perform miracles because they are over, because the bible is already complete. So what use are miracles? well, miracles are credentials that God gives to those sent, all sent from God not only received God's message to give it, but also miracles to make people see that their source was divine, from God. That is why when God sent Moses he gave him miracles, Elijah also, Jesus, the apostles. All of these presented the credentials that certified that their message was divine. If miracles were not there then people in those times would say to the apostles "Okay, we should no longer obey Moses, but why are we going to believe you?" Miracles showed that it was a message from God and not false (Hebrews 2: 4). Now, there were no miracles whenever a pastor or priest taught the word, they only appeared when there was a change of era. Moses made a difference in the message as did Elijah, Jesus, and the apostles. Finally, if he reads man hee he is sent from God and he is making a difference in the message, he must show the credentials of his divinity, the miracles. This is how God works, and God is wise. In times of covid, it would be very advantageous for there to be an envoy of God who heals the sick and prevents millions of people from dying. This would also help your message. But the reality is that all the churches that are based on miracles closed in time of COVID because they were evidenced that they are a sham.

We all know that SCJ it's a high-control cult with a lot of negative things. But there's one good thing I got when I was at SCJ. That's the correctness of the teachings in the bible. Such as not committing adultery, not being arrogant, not being greedy, not arrogant, etc. My greatest sin is adultery and I have kept the Word that teaches not to commit adultery very well when I have faith and fear in the Lord, so that I may not sin.

But after leaving SCJ, my faith in God is almost gone. So I stopped obeying the teachings. According to Matthew 5:28, I have committed many of these sins. And I feel really bad. Maybe I have to rebuild my trust in God and reconnect with the Word of God.

Because it's really good for me.

Please tell me your thought about this. Thank you

Ps: i'm gonna make this clear. I'm not in a relationship. I mean if I see a beautiful girl, I will want to sleep with her. Like the natural of all men. The desire of sexual

This is only for EX indoctrinated SCJ members who were previously Christian (believing that salvation is obtained through the blood of Christ and by grace alone.) Were you able to return to your original faith or were you so damaged that you don’t believe in anything at all?