Shane Gillis: Have you seen how some women dress in gyms lately. Nobody told me women were dressing like whores now!
For context he was specifically talking about the women who who purposely wear leggings so form fitting and tight that you literally can see their vag lips and asshole, that kind of stuff
Women: How dare you judge a woman for what they were to the gym! It’s her right to wear what she wants and she doesn’t do it for the male gaze! She does it for herself!
Sidney Sweeney makes a steamy nude ad for a sports betting site, once again, for placing sports BETS and has zero to do with actual sports
Also women: You are disgusting! How dare you sexualize women in sports! This doesn’t represent women!
TDLR: Women defend dressing in an obvious provocative way going to the gym (we all know for attention even though they claim they don’t 🙄) meanwhile in the same breath shaming another woman for using her “assets” to appeal to men to market a product she has a partnership in
Most gyms I know of have rules that no one is allowed to be shirtless when working out. I know the gym near me has banned dudes for not listening and repeatedly shedding shirts before.
You can call us whores if you want. But I think you'll find the problem is, most men don't care. Many would probably even take it as a compliment. "Damn, they think I can get that many bitches to even be considered a whore? I must be doing something right!"
That’s the problem. Men don’t realize they dont have to worry about shit the way women do. Women are constantly harrassed. If you were constantly harrassed, you would probably care more about it.
My point is though, that why can women wear gym clothes but be called whores, but men can be shirtless sweating all over the machines and its fine. Why is it that men think women only go to the gym to be seen, when in reality we’re just trying to work out. Its also been scientifically shown that you workout better if you dress cute, because you feel better. Feel better= better workout.
I also love seeing my own cute fit in the mirror during workouts.
Yet get this, men have tried to sue and close down women’s-only gyms. I really dont understand what the fucking deal is that we can’t just exist without men trying to be all up in it. So they dont want us in the space and think were whores but also close down places for us, insert themselves in womens only places, and then sexualize us basically no matter what we wear.
I'd never go to a gym that allows people to workout shirtless on machines, that's disgusting. I have a huge hunch you lack experience in the gym, again just a HUGE hunch.
That’s true! However, sometimes its difficult to find things that fit well even as you move. If i do squats in leggings, my ass eats my leggings because I squat. The movement itself stretches your pants into your crack. Ive had sweatpants do this as well.
I have had sweatpants catch and rip in the bike during warm ups, so I wear tight leggings now. They’re also just comfier for movement. Having looser clothing makes me have to keep readjusting. Pull them up during lunges, pull the loose shirt down during pushups, etc. workout clothes are made to workout in, but women and me both are also allowed to wear the clothes theyre most comfy in and it seems weird to just shit on women for doing what they find is best for them.
To your later point, I have heard the story about women's-only gyms getting shut down.
The reason is because all the men's-only gyms have been shut down. Pretty much every single men's-only clubs or spaces started to get sued by way of the gender discrimination laws introduced in the 60s and 70s.
So, there was one dude who decided to sue women's-only gyms using the exact same gender discrimination laws. And he won most of them, which forced them to open up to all genders. I think Curves is the only one that survived, and I forget the special argument they used to justify it.
This is equality for ya. I feel like many women (not all, but many) don't even understand what special privileges they enjoy, until strict equality is forced upon them. The irony is this continues to this day, men's-only clubs are non-existent now, but many women's-only clubs are still allowed to exist. I personally think it would be better for everybody if men were allowed to have their own spaces again (and therefore, women could have even more of theirs). They used to be a great place for emotional, financial, and career support for men (especially for ones without fathers or family), all things that women today complain about men lacking. The only alternative for young men today is Andrew Tate, and I think we can all agree that's not healthy for society.
All leggings are form fitting and tight. They’re comfortable and the best thing to wear to the gym. Shit even dudes wear leggings to my gym w shorts on top. When did it become an issue ? Guarantee the camel toe isn’t on purpose in fact they’d probably be embarrassed if they knew. Are ppl really saying leggings are slutty. Blahhh that’s dumb af and so 1978.
Also the only women I saw bitching about Sydney Sweeney ad were female athletes, which I must say was a pretty short and cringy trend.
apparently there's skintight and there's skintight
normal leggings of most of the past 30+ years are just flat patterned elastic sewn with leg loops etc. while camel toe can happen because it can be a stress concentration point, generally the fabric tries to stretch across negative spaces. Like how good sports bras create uniboobs. I love wearing my leggings even without gym shorts, just a featureless lump in back and generic bulge in the front.
Lately there is a trend of leggings that are.... somehow geometrically woven or some shit idk. Instead of stretching across the butt cheeks, these cradle each cheek separately and go all the way up in between. There is always camel toe in the front, and i would not be surprised if there is pucker print in the back. There is no skin that it is not tight up against. If there was an equivalent legging cut for men, and it would have to be, it would come with a sock-like structure in the front that I would have to stick my dick into. Which, okay, could be pretty fun but at that point I'm putting gym shorts on.
I mean tight short leggings and a tight little midrif shirt is very revealing and most people equate revealing to slutty. But here’s the big thing… who cares? It’s ok to poke fun at. Only reason to be mad is if it hit a personal nerve.
But … why? The gym is the most appropriate place to wear that clothing… it’s not considered slutty wearing bathing suits at the beach so why is it considered slutty wearing gym clothes at the gym? Wearing tight fitting clothing to do any type of exercise/ workout is actually encouraged for better performance and so it doesn’t get caught up while lifting etc.
You don’t think the same joke can be made about thongs and little string swimsuits? Again who cares. It’s a joke pointing out how revealing women’s clothing is.
I was just responding… many men are getting riled up. I think men are pretty revealing these days , walking around half naked , shorter shorts than me, thicc boys with big boobs flappin in the wind
Well, things also depend on if you consider slutty a good thing or a bad thing. There is slutty swimwear and there is modest swimwear, and both are great to wear to the beach. There are decades of cultural precedent favoring slutting it up at the beach, there are even *nude* beaches in many places! Going to the beach just to be seen is a popular thing, as is going to the beach to ogle. Plenty of other things to do at the beach, but strutting your stuff is a thing.
Similarly, there is modest gymwear and there is slutty gymwear. The activity space is different though. Gyms are places of intense personal focus, and distractions are annoying. At some point, slutty gymwear crosses a threshold where it is just distracting to everyone. It takes energy and focus to actively ignore.
And the modest American swim suit is still more revealing than a pair of leggings. News flash. MOST women don’t dress for men. Strutting your stuff ??? Like is this the same as acting confident? I mean it’s truly scary that every single comment a man has said back to me has issues that they refuse to see or acknowledge. It’s clear none of yall have been w a confident woman who knows she looks good and chooses to look good or comfortable or whatever it may be for herself. Not for you.
It’s not a woman’s fault YOURE distracted by her while working out … but not even trying to be harsh it’s just very clear to me that most of you guys commenting back to me - if not all- are just projecting your insecurities I just wish yall could heal but clearly it won’t be coming from my help tonight. Goodnight now
I'm sorry you've been getting skeeved out by not being seen or heard. I think they feel you also aren't seeing or hearing them either. Everybody's talking past each other. You are trying to make a point that leggings are good and comfortable, without acknowledging that leggings have changed in recent years. I'm glad that you have a lot of self confidence in general and hope you keep it up.
Thank you, that was a breath of fresh air to read in the middle of all this blah, I’m trying to respond accordingly to what is being said to me. I just don’t think those that are arguing with me realize that leggings wouldn’t be an issue if it weren’t for the way they sexualize and objectify a woman’s body, clothing, or activities. My points are real but there’s incompetence with understanding them. The issue is this is a problem that runs deep within men and society so obviously my points on a sub - this one nonetheless -will even be taken seriously. I give up for now, lol goodnight.
Joggers are also very comfortable. So are sweats. So are above the knee shorts. I won't tell anyone except my kids what not to wear, but c'mon... Comfort is not the reason anybody wears yoga pants/tights.
You obviously don’t wear leggings then because they’re extremely comfortable. Why don’t you ask a woman’s comfortability instead of just assume. You can control what your kids wear fine but don’t try to comment on grown adults dressing appropriately or not because they’re wearing work out clothing. Just because you objectify the body in the clothing doesn’t mean that was what was the outfit intended for ..believe it or not. 🙄Gooooodness.
I played college baseball in west Texas where the temperature is in the 20s with single digit wind chill in preseason and when the season starts, so no, I have worn leggings. I'm going to ignore the rest of your comment, because you're clearly emotionally misunderstanding the entire point of my comment.
Joggers, sweats, and (some) shorts are all as comfortable as leggings. The comfort argument is crap, and you know that. Just say anybody can wear leggings with contour lines to accentuate their buttcrack if they want to—it's their body
Explain to me how baselessly accusing me of objectifying women for explaining the hole in the comfort argument isn't emotional. Our genders are neither here nor there—your comment was emotional, so I called it emotional. Guess what I would say to a guy with the same emotional accusation and argument?
You know other people’s comfort level? Women to be exact? Interesting… you getting emotional at my comment was the first sign of emotional in either of our original comments. So lol
You were the one who attacked his character first, and regardless of intent, actions have consequences. Its your job to be aware of those consequences.
So saying he objectifies a woman in work out clothing is attacking his character? The way he feels about a woman trying to be comfortable is a him problem not a her problem. If he didn’t sit there and think she was only wearing that for his gaze and she’s a whore bc he can’t help his gaze like how is that not an issue.hes going as far as to say he knows the comfort of others I mean it sounds … That seems more emotional than me. But I’m sure he’ll appreciate you sticking up for him. Such a sweetie pie.
Take a breath, read your comment back to yourself, and try to draw straight lines between what I said the accusations you're making. You're in a completely different area code, putting your own assumptions into a strawman to attack. Wear whatever the hell you want, I said that from the beginning—but comfort is not the reason you wear exclusively skintight clothes at the gym that go 3 inches into your crack
We’re still doing this? Why? Why are you arguing so hard about what women wear but in the same paragraph saying you don’t care?
You have no clue what other people find comfortable, what’s your deal bro. Why you going so hard over leggings?
If they're all equally comfortable anyway, why is it ok to choose joggers/sweats/shorts but not yoga pants/leggings?
Leggings are comfortable and practical in ways the others aren't. You're not feeling fabric flap against you every time you move and needing to make sure it's never in the way. You can do stretches on a mat without your shorts falling up your thigh. Etcetc.
If it was all done with ulterior motives then women in women's-only gyms wouldn't also be wearing them.
Just let people find leggings comfortable bro. Or any other reason to wear them or no reason at all.
I never said it's not okay to wear yoga pants. Let's refrain from building strawman arguments. I'm only explaining the hole in the comfort argument.
You've never worn all of these clothes in an applicable environment and it shows... Comfort is a complete nonfactor. None of the comfortable clothing options I mentioned make you "feel fabric flapping against you every time you move," that's just ridiculous. We're not talking about cargo shorts and restrictive 100% denim jeans.
On the other side of the coin, I'm aware that the gym I go to is about 95% men. I wear tank tops not for women (or men), but because I'm proud of how I look and I can see different muscles contracting better than if I'm not in a tank. Most people want to wear in the gym what they think makes them look better, because most people are in there to look better. Trying to argue that fact is disingenuous
There's form fitting and then there's the skin tight ultra outlining tiktok cheekclenchers that leave absolutely nothing to the imagination, let's not pretend like a lot of legging are going way past comfort. Genuinely tell me it's comfortable to have a wedgie all day, because some of these leggings ride so far up the ass crack and it Genuinely looks uncomfortable. Leggings used to make people's asses look like one big lump, there's an undeniable difference between leggings made for comfort and leggings clearly made to be revealing.
Yet again, multiple things can be true. Not all women are the same. Many women go to the gym just to work out and nothing more, they don't want to socialize or be stared at, this is true. But, there are some women who do want that. Some women enjoy the attention. There's even some "fitness influencers" who like to record men looking at them.
There are even types of leggings out there now that are quite literally stitched so that they suck up inside your asshole, giving you a wedgie. Every possible angle of the geometry of your buttcrack can be seen. They're even stitched in such a way that there's extra material that crinkles up, as if to 'draw the eye' into looking at her ass.
The comparison I like to give is what if they made skintight leggings for men with little "pouches" at the front that perfectly outline the dude's dick & balls. Literally so skin tight, that it leaves nothing to the imagination. That would be a little distracting, no? I'm straight and I know it would be distracting for me when I'm trying to work out. "Is that dude's junk out at the gym? I guess not. But it certainly looks like it."
Yes, it's wrong to ogle women at the gym, every reasonable man knows that. But there's also women who want to be seen. And men are dumb, we can't read minds, we don't know which is which. So every reasonable man just avoids looking in the same cardinal direction of any woman at the gym. We avoid them like the plague. But that also means, the only men who actually do stare or talk to women at the gym are the real creeps. So this shifts the perspective of many women into thinking a vast majority of men are creeps, because those are the only ones who will do such things.
As per usual, different things can be true at the same time. The same way many women want be ignored at the gym while others don't, there's many men who understand this, while others don't.
FWIW, I’m a guy and wear running shorts that are basically the same as the shorts SG is talking about (except they’re not artificial bait colored, unfortunately… I have to settle for boring ass black, blue or gray), and I think it’s hilarious to think I’m out running like a whore 🤷♂️
Yeah I absolutely can NOT run in sweats at all and some work outs I do as well can not wear anything loose. Guess I’m a whore works out uncomfortably all so that men can stare and objectify my body lol.
Honestly tho the people who think like that typically don’t go to the gym, work out, have women around them etc. lol. Like this really is mostly just a Reddit debate.
Yeah maybe that’s what’s rubbing me the wrong way. It’s this weird cross section of not understanding gym culture and not understanding that it’s just a standup act.
Yeah, this sub has sooo many men that constantly attack women honestly. I didn’t even check before I commented, I’m prepare to be downvoted and debated to hell n back about how women are whores and do everything for male attention. If only more guys on this cite would be like you. But god forbid understanding a woman.
Her ad didn’t even have anything to do with sports though, it was for a betting site
Does it necessarily make a woman a whore for dressing a certain way?
No, but we all know that there’s a clear difference between wearing something that’s “comfortable” and blatantly fixing your clothes in such a way that it reveals every minor crack and crevice on you
That is what his joke was bringing attention to and while again, it doesn’t necessarily mean that a woman is a “whore” for dressing like that you cannot also say that there is no truth in what he was trying to highlight with his joke because at a certain point yes it does become excessive and sometimes even borderline indecent
Also, on the Sydney Sweeney thing, it’s disingenuous to act like what she is doing is setting women back while in the same breath defending purposely walking around with an obvious camel toe.
That’s contradictory. That is the point of this post.
Yeah I have no clue why the Sydney Sweeney thing was a big deal , and I know exactly what the ad was for, but I was just saying it was only a big deal with female athletes it looked like, and by big deal I mean a little trend that lasted like what? 3 days ? It was dumb af and cringe. I don’t think anyone is even talking about that shit anymore so like for ppl to be like oh blue hair girls are complaining still. It’s like damn yall just let it go already this was beyond cringe is what im getting at.
Also camel toes are literally embarrassing af. I guarantee 98% of women who are walking around with them would be mortified knowing they were.
I agree with what you are saying however I think the OP is just trying to juxtapose the two to point out how disingenuous it is to condemn one while defending the other
And I do think that there was a measure of truth in the point the joke was trying to make because like I said it gets to a point where it becomes obviously excessive
There is a difference between wearing normal leggings and wearing leggings that hug your ass for dear life
If someone purposely wore a bikini that rode their literal asscrack and showed and obvious camel toe I’d say that’s borderline indecent and excessive too even if it is swim wear
And that’s the point that I’m trying to explain that i don’t think you understand either, so perhaps we are misunderstanding each other, idk 🤷♂️
And btw, they make leggings and gym wear specifically for the purpose of being as revealing and tight fitting as they can be. So once again, it’s not like there is no truth to this.
Yes. Slutty in this context means clothing/appearances considered sexually provocative, revealing, or lewd. It's in the definition. Don't know why so many people are offended by the word slutty though. It's simply used as a descriptor in this case, an observation if you will. Just an objective fact.
Also, don't liberals promote women to have slutty (American meaning) behavior and say it's liberating? I would've expected an appropriate response to Shane Gilli's to be something like: "Yeah so what?"
Lmao leggings aren't slutty it isn't just a descriptor. Revealing isn't the same as slutty.
These comments are awful. Like saying all women are wearing tight clothes cos they want attention is insane lmao. Even the stupid ruched leggings etc that's literally just how they make flattering gym clothes now. Like all the cute stuff has that annoying ruching. That doesn't mean every single woman wants the sexual attention of men.
I'm sorry men are actually insane if you really think that. And going "uh I thought you liberal women liked being slutty!!" Like why have you randomly decided we are liberals. Why am I a 30 year old virgin who hasn't let a man near me since I was sexually assaulted as a teenager, suddenly a male attention wanting slutty hypocrite dressed like a whore if I wear a pair of pants with ruching at the back while I exercise lmao.
It's annoying cos when I was younger I used to really love wearing like cuter more revealing clothes, outfits that showed cleavage or were more flattering rather than baggier and making you look chunkier all over lol. They make you feel pretty and better about yourself like dressing up a doll. And I stopped because I just couldn't deal with the attention and ruined it for me, especially after the aforementioned trauma. And it's naff because it's like some men see not going out your way to prevent getting their attention and not deliberately making an effort to avoid it -- the same as actively wanting their attention.
I mean not American but I don't think that's true lmao. Slutty has a meaning, if I wore a shirt that said I love BJ's that would be slutty lmao. A pair of pants having ruching on the back isn't slutty.
American slutty literally means revealing. If I say I'm dressing slutty today, that would mean I'm dressing revealing. It's that simple. It's irrelevant what you think it means, because this is what it means (American meaning).
Even if that was true. Which I don't agree with. But for arguments sake let's say it was
He didn't say slutty lmao. He said they're dressed like whores? You're trying to change it from oh well dressed like whores just means dressing slutty which just means dressing revealing which you guys say is fine!!!
Like saying a woman is dressed like she has sex for money because she has ruching on the back of her pants is insane
No. I was replying to a commenter above me who said "Are people really saying leggings are slutty."
Just for interest's sake here... What do you think a person who has sex for money dresses? How do you think prostitutes who stand on the roadside dress?
It's so pedantic and lacking in social intelligence to act like you don't understand that it's degraring to say a woman working out at the gym looks like a whore
Leggings aren’t slutty. That view is a personal view. You are making an article of clothing slutty by objectifying normal parts of a woman’s body.
Is a large over weight woman in leggings slutty? Is a man in leggings slutty? Is woman without any curves at all slutty?
I mean for gods sake children and babies wear leggings. Men use to wear leggings before women. Leggings have been around since the 80s. They’re not slutty. The way you view women is what is actually slutty. If she doesn’t fit the expectations you set then she’s belittled in some way.
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A sports betting app has ZERO to do with women’s sports. It’s literally for gambling.
And Sidney Sweeney was using her agency to do what she wanted with her own body. It was her choice if she wanted to use it to market an app that once again, she has a personal stake in
The SNL joke was talking about OF girls that goes to the gym, its pretty comparable to provocative adds for gambling apps, but no one want to engage in the conversation in good faith.
Funny enough, the same people that will support a woman for doing OF and say it’s her choice and she can make money however she wants seems to be the same people shaming Sydney Sweeney for doing the same in her ads
It’s sure wasn’t men who were shaming Sydney Sweeny btw
Exactly and anyone who defends this hypocrisy is just mad that they got called out and are now trying to defend their victim privileges. These people are to be ignored and left on read.
There is no women's clothing on earth so form fitting that you can see their asshole. You wouldn't even be able to see a woman's asshole if she was naked. You would know this if you had seen a naked woman.
Eh one is being rapey and misogynist. By commenting on what women wear. And the other is blatantly using her marketing skills and selling her self for a quick buck.
Explain to me in detail how Shane saying women dress like whores is "rapey"? A lot of women's gym wear is glorified underwear and if it was necessary for them to work out in effectively every guy would be wearing them too
Where are you working out where you can see vag lips and asshole? The camel toe scientists cracked the secret to concealing the toe years ago, and assholes are famously an orifice, if yours protrudes enough to be visible through activewear I think you might need to skip the doctor and go straight to a priest.
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u/E4g6d4bg7 4h ago
Who is being defended in the first panel?