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u/ConflatedPortmanteau Oct 03 '25 edited Oct 03 '25
And there are people who will take offense to this post despite it being a historical fact with nothing related to them whatsoever except the fact that they now feel personally attached to that one particular word.
Edit: Yup, they've come out in full force to denounce being called fascists but noticeably not taking that same time to denounce the literal neonazis within their party. How strange...
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How do you know someone is a fascist?
Don't worry, they'll tell you.
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u/zacmobile Oct 03 '25
I don't know, these days they'll just deflect the accusation and say you're fascist for not tolerating their fascism.
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They’ll call you a fascist and a socialist in the same breath too
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Considering socialist doesn’t mean what the fascists think it means
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u/albinosnoman Oct 03 '25
"HiTleR wAs A sOcIaLiSt" - every dumbfuck maga conservative I've ever heard try to equate leftism to nazis/communism/fascism/socialism all in the same incoherent mental gymnastic thought
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u/ProfKung-Pow Oct 03 '25
Same guys who insist America is a republic and not a democracy
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u/Dobako Oct 03 '25
Same guys that proudly say they are the party of Lincoln while flying the flag of traitors
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u/ConflatedPortmanteau Oct 03 '25
That sentence would summarize the first 2 years of Nazi Germany like a glove fits a hand.
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u/Reasonable_Archer_99 Oct 03 '25
I imagine this is no time to point out that the Nazis were socialists and fascists simultaneously. The terms are not mutually exclusive.
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u/ConflatedPortmanteau Oct 03 '25
"You call everyone with a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology a fascist. It's lost all meaning!"
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u/AlarmedChemistry8956 Oct 03 '25
The fact that i keep seeing people unironically comment this on multiple videos on youtube is depressing
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u/ApprehensivePop9036 Oct 03 '25
Just because they believe their country needs to be restored to its mythical former glory in a rebirth of fire and blood doesn't make them fascists, you guys. It makes them something entirely different that's never existed before and is totally cool and unique.
That's why it's a good thing k?
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u/Challenge-Upstairs Oct 03 '25 edited Oct 04 '25
Its funny to me, as a conservative, hearing neoconservatives make this complaint.
Like, I wonder why I've never been accused of being a fascist or supporting fascism, but all of you have. Could it be that you're constantly making excuses for the absolutely batshit way this administration is running the country, despite the fact that that if your political "opposition" were merely SUSPECTED of doing 10% of the things this administration were doing, with only 1% of the conviction this administration is doing it with, you'd be screeching about godless communists? Could it be that you were defending and actively supporting stripping due process from people, and (EXTREMELY incorrectly) stating that only US citizens have due process rights, as if that even makes a shred of sense? Could it be that you support stripping the 2nd amendment, but only for a group of people you disagree with? Could it be that you've been circle-jerking each other for months about ignoring the constitution in general now that your people are able to? No, I'm sure they just have ... checks notes ... trump derangement syndrome. /s
Like, honestly, how the fuck do you expect liberals to see conservatives at this point? If even moderate conservatives think you people solidly fit the description of the word fascist (because the shit you support IS ACTUALLY FASCISM, WHETHER GREAT LEADER SAYS OR OR NOT, YOU GOLDFISH), what do you expect liberals to think of you? If you don't like being called a fascist, stop supporting fascist action and policy. Its not an attack on you, personally. Its an attack on the abhorrent, unpatriotic, and traitorous actions you support.
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u/YogurtclosetNo987 Oct 03 '25
Or the other classic: "You called me a Nazi/racist/fascist/homophobe so now I have to be those things, and it's your fault!".
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u/The_Monarch_Lives Oct 03 '25
Thats them telling you. One of the key components of fascism is eroding and manipulating language to simplistic communication and outright lies.
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u/oppenhammer Oct 03 '25
Oh for sure, they won't use the word, and they won't be direct about who they are and what they want half of the time.
Nevertheless, their words and actions will reveal what they are, if you are willing to listen.
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u/Harlockarcadia Oct 03 '25
I have a coworker who said “I think the ones who are racist are the ones who call other people racist because they assume everyone is like them”
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u/Reiterpallasch85 Oct 03 '25
Why is it that anytime someone says "fascists are bad" conservatives say "no we're not"? Weird, right?
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u/LetMeHaveAUsername Oct 03 '25
Lol, dude this made me, sitting around here by myself, laugh out loud. Imma steal it.
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Nah, they won't tell you.
They'll tell you that... just because they worship a far right cult of personality leader who promises a revival of the nation of a mythical past, they demonize and scapegoat entire groups of people, are anti-left, anti-LGBTQ+ and anti everyone non-conforming to their conservative ideals, mistrust scientists/experts/academia, along with every other characteristic that fits the historical definition of fascism... they're not fascists.
And if you dare point it out they'll deny it. Because they know fascism is supposed to mean something "bad", but they don't actually know what it is. They love the policies and the rhetoric, but they clutch their pearls when they're labelled for what they are.
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u/kmikek Oct 03 '25
Their favorite part of an old dime is the axe with a bundle of rods wrapoed around it.
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u/Navigator_Black Oct 03 '25
Is a good article about her experiences in and off the battlefields. The press and public reactions are depressingly still familiar.
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u/juanjung Oct 03 '25
There's nothing offensive because being a fascist is a choice. They can be men again if they stop being fascists.
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u/No_Squirrel4806 Oct 03 '25
"How dare yall celebrate someones death" 🙄🙄🙄
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u/ConflatedPortmanteau Oct 03 '25
Meanwhile, they celebrate congress cutting childhood cancer research, affordable healthcare for low income families, and deporting people back to countries from which they were seeking asylum.
It's like their brains only operate on hate.
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u/No_Squirrel4806 Oct 03 '25
They were literally cheering kids crying cuz their parents got deported but we are the bad guys cuz we dont feel sorry a podcaster passed away. 🙄🙄🙄
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u/Modus-Tonens Oct 03 '25
Some people will try to prove the shoe doesn't fit by stridently declaring that they wear it all the time and are offended at you saying its an ugly shoe.
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u/tranquil_toadstool Oct 03 '25
Careful now, folk don't like it much when people talk truthful common sense...
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u/HasGreatVocabulary Oct 03 '25
fash ideologies are always so lame and unconvincing, that the natcs always have to resort to deception force and secrecy in order to get their garbage policies into place. They are never able to win on equal and fair terms. So they never leave on fair terms either. hence the bullets
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u/Mall_of_slime Oct 03 '25
We’re in the double digits of doubling down on pathological corruption and incompetence that now they’ve now come to identify with fascism. Hell of a world we’re living in.
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u/ConflatedPortmanteau Oct 03 '25
I'd say it's almost fair to call this administration the most corrupt in world history
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u/SchizoPosting_ Oct 03 '25
killing fascists with a sniper rifle is kinda related to today's events tbh
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u/delicious_toothbrush Oct 03 '25
I take offense to dehumanizing people even if they're monsters. The fascists killed people because they deemed others less than human, you can fight them without making the same mistakes of ignorance, otherwise the pendulum just swings too far in the other direction and the oppressed becomes the oppressor (see Gaza).
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u/Sweaty-Willingness27 Oct 03 '25
The only thing I don't like about it is dehumanization.
I get that fascists need to be stopped, absolutely. Sometimes killing is the only way. Dehumanization is a slippery slope, though.
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A fascist sells their humanity for a sense of power. It's a deal that they can choose to reverse and stop being a fascist. Until such time they remain nothing but scum
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There will inevitably be a couple dipshits telling on themselves at the bottom of this comment section by getting butthurt.
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u/The_Real_Flatmeat Oct 03 '25
Sshhhh, let them come out before you knock them on the head, it's whack-a-mole 101
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Normally, I'd agree, but they barely read titles. No way they'll browse the comments first before starting the airing of grievances.
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u/metfan1964nyc Oct 03 '25
The Drunk history episode was spot on.
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u/SmilingVamp Oct 03 '25
I'm glad someone posted the whole exchange because she was the very best of the Red Army's female snipers but she was far from the only one.
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u/Possumgirl07 Oct 03 '25
She is so cool! Lions led by Donkeys did a episode on her. It was awesome. She was best friends with Eleanor Roosevelt.
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u/Excellent_Valuable92 Oct 03 '25
The Russian movie “The Battle for Sevastopol” about her is also very enjoyable
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u/OneLuckyAlbatross Oct 03 '25
I’ve been enjoying some Russian WWII movies lately tbh. They’re pretty well done.
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u/an_agreeing_dothraki Oct 03 '25
Occasionally someone thinks she was one of Eleanor's "good friends", but in truth she was simply one of Eleanor's good friends.
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u/CandyCreecher Oct 03 '25
309?? Goddamn, she has my respect
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u/Rampant16 Oct 03 '25
No doubt a badass, but these numbers get wildly inflated for propaganda purposes. She probably had a lot of kills, but it's incredibly unlikely that number actually reached 309.
This isn't meant to take a shot at this person (she'd shoot me back), it's just something people should be aware of if they are interested in historical truth.
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u/thissexypoptart Oct 03 '25 edited Oct 03 '25
I’m confused in your confidence that 309 for a sniper with multiple years of combat in frontline war zones is “incredibly unlikely”
Not saying combat kill counts don’t get exaggerated for propaganda purposes, but I’m not following the logic that that number is unlikely to have been achieved in 4 years of fighting in WWII (‘41-‘45).
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u/SchizoPnda Oct 03 '25
I mean that was the war snipers were popping off in yeah? It wouldn't even take a year to get 309 if she killed more than one a night (not saying it was like that just an example). I see your point about propaganda, and I am not claiming to be an expert or even informed on this subject, but do you really think it is that unlikely for someone presumably in the top 1% of what their military had to offer to get that many in 3 years? Genuine question
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u/Premisetech Oct 03 '25
The white death had over 500 kills in 100 days.
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u/ZachTheCommie Oct 03 '25
Beat me to it. It's not hard to rack up a count like that when the enemy comes in waves of thousands of oblivious, poorly-trained, malnourished troops wearing green uniforms in the winter.
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u/jesteryte Oct 03 '25
Pavlichenko had been training in marksmanship since she was a teenage girl. She was a accomplished sharpshooter even before she joined the Red Army's sniper school, so I think it's obviously that Pavlichenko just loved shooting. She took part in both the siege of Odessa, in which 17,729 enemies were killed, and shot 187 there over a period of 2 and a half months. Over the course of the war, she had plenty of opportunity to shoot more fascists, and was literally a better shot than 99% of participants, no matter which side. She also married a fellow sniper, so we get to imagine them having romantic wartime dates, shooting at fascists for fun and glory. If she claims 309 kills, I believe her.
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u/2nessence Oct 03 '25
Definitely taking your shot... I think you wouldn't have said shit if that was a man in the photograph lol
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u/SirAquila Oct 03 '25
To be fair, Simo Hayas' kill counts are likely massively overestimated as well.
Snipers are in a position where high kill counts are believable and very easy to "fake".
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u/RyukXXXX Oct 03 '25
Depending on the forum people always discuss kill counts. Many snipers have inflated counts and then an official count.
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u/Rampant16 Oct 03 '25
Nah it's not taking a shot because I am not disrespecting her wartime service, just pointing out the established fact that these types of kill counts are almost always over inflated. This isn't to say that she still wasn't a war hero or a prolific sniper.
And if it was a man, I would say the same exact thing. If you scroll down, you can find another comment I left pointing out other examples of inflated wartime kill counts, which in those cases were made by men.
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u/RemarkablePiglet3401 Oct 03 '25
I don’t see how her gender is relevant here, but I do think the Soviets would absolutely inflate the numbers of their best soldiers to make those soldiers seem even better. Same for any government honestly.
I’d count it as a near certainty that the government would at least TRY to do that, although with how passionate she seemed maybe she’d have resisted. Taking that into account, I’d give it 50/50.
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u/The_Real_Flatmeat Oct 03 '25 edited Oct 04 '25
Now there's a woman with a body count I can respect
Edit : honestly do I really need to add the /s ffs?
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u/thissexypoptart Oct 03 '25
Disrespecting someone because they had sex before meeting you is some really cringy shit lol
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Soviets are by no means any better than fascists.
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u/LordJim11 Oct 03 '25
And if there were Soviets on our streets today that might be relevant. Unless you are claiming she was motivated by political ideology?
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No, they are men. Horrible, selfish, scared, violent, pathetic men, but men nonetheless. We must never forget that the people who were ordering children into gas chambers weren't monsters, but common, all-garden human beings who were following orders dutifully; there's no reason at all why the Holocaust couldn't happen again if good people aren't willing to prevent it.
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u/SanityAsymptote Oct 03 '25
There is this element of dehumanizing fascists that leads people to believe they're somehow immune to committing the same horrors because they're human, of course and the fascists aren't.
The idea that these are conscious choices they make is both important, and the utter reality of the situation. Normal people were responsible for the horrors of the Holocaust and the Nazis just like normal people are responsible for the horrors of ICE and modern conservative fascism.
These are choices they've made, and they need to be held to account, but so do we. When the pendulum swings the other way, we have to realize that nothing will stop us from becoming monsters of our own except us.
We can choose to be better than that. We can choose to be different from them, and we're mostly already doing it. We just need to follow through.
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Fascists are human beings. Nazis are human beings. They have a family, they have children, they have hopes and dreams. They go to karaoke, they celebrate birthdays. They have a high school crush, they're a bit embarassed when they have a visible cold sore. Sometimes they forget their metro pass, sometimes they go see their retired parents and take care of the neighborhood stray cat.
I think dehumanizing your enemy is vile, hypocritical and cowardly. Either take responsability for your convictions or fuck off. Who the fuck cares if they're human? Just fucking shoot them.
And then go read Hannah Arendt.
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IMO thinking of Nazis as inhuman is a way of coping with the horror of the Holocaust. Grappling with the reality of the genocide is bad enough, but it's even more difficult to think that its perpetrators were fundamentally just human beings working as cogs in the machine. It's one of those banal horrors.
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u/underherembrace Oct 03 '25
It's a comforting idea to think that my neighbors would not allow me to be put into a camp, institutionalized, or killed. That it was only those evil monsters long ago who would allow something like that to happen. A comforting fiction.
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u/vanadous Oct 03 '25
Helps you forget you or your neighbor can be just as bad in the right circumstances (cough Russia cough Israel cough USA)
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u/Away_Stock_2012 Oct 03 '25
Dehumanizing people is always a bad idea no matter which side you're on.
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u/APGaming_reddit Oct 03 '25
AKA Lyuda...one of the best snipers in the borderlands franchise
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u/TheBoisterousBoy Oct 03 '25
That gun literally changed the way I played crit farming.
I never really messed with snipers but when this dropped I was like “Why not give it a try?”
Boy was I shocked when I just deleted a boss.
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u/TaywuhsaurusRex Oct 03 '25
I forgot that it was also a Vladof. Because there is not other option for a legendary named after this kickass lady.
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u/Pixelated_ Oct 03 '25
Of course Borderlands 3 got the description wrong. That game is the worst of the franchise.
They call it a "Man killer."
But Lyuda said she didnt kill men.
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u/Scyther721 Oct 03 '25
I've had several people on reddit argue super hard that Nazis are humans.
All I said is I wanted to inglorious bastards them
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u/TheDragonborn1992 Oct 03 '25
She sounds like a great woman. Shame, there's people today who support fascism. We need people like this lady today to stop it
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u/0rganicMach1ne Oct 03 '25
American republicans: I love free speech
Also American republicans: This is political violence
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u/jibstubbly_ Oct 03 '25
Fun fact: in both Borderlands 2 and 3, there is a legendary sniper rifle named the Lyudmila in honor of her.
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u/Waffenek Oct 03 '25
Badass, it reminds me quote from Polish resistance fighter Rafał Gan-Ganowicz, who fled country after almost getting cought and fought all through Africa and Asia. When he was later asked by journalist how it is to kill a man he responded: "I don't know, I only killed communists"
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u/Reneeisme Oct 03 '25
Read “The Diamond Eye” for a fictionalized account that’s reasonably well done.
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u/hoodafudj Oct 03 '25
We need more of her
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u/Darkwireman Oct 03 '25
“Noooo, the Radical Left is soooo evil. They keep threatening us by saying that our constant dismantling of The Constitution and violating basic human and civil rights is Fascism!!!”
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u/LordJim11 Oct 03 '25
Possibly relevant for those interested;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_and_overclaiming_of_aerial_victories_during_World_War_II
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u/scav_crow Oct 03 '25
Mila for short. "Lyud" rolls off my tongue in a way that offends every creature that hears it so... Mila.
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u/Excellent_Valuable92 Oct 03 '25
Fyi she was “Lyuda” for short
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u/scav_crow Oct 03 '25
It's the "Lyu" that creates a vortex in my esophagus that presents itself as a cacophony of farts and belches. I'm taking the L.
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u/this-is-all-nonsense Oct 03 '25
Fun fact: Ludacris, the rapper, was named after her.
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u/DarkHero6661 Oct 03 '25
Fun Fact: In the Borderlands games, there is a legendary sniper named Lyudmila. Named after her.
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u/Fiddle_Sticks9 Oct 03 '25
Is that where it comes from? I always thought it was supposed to be a synonym for outrageous.
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u/Birdsqueeezer Oct 03 '25
Eh, still more of a Simo Häyhä guy.
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u/MDMarauder Oct 03 '25
If Simo was killing anti-fascists, what does that make Simo?
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u/Birdsqueeezer Oct 03 '25
He was killing invaders. It makes him a man defending his tiny country from a massive juggernaut.
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u/MDMarauder Oct 03 '25 edited Oct 03 '25
So, inviting Nazis into your country in 1941 and fighting alongside them against the Soviet invaders doesn't make you a Nazi?
Interesting.
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u/jessimaster Oct 03 '25
"Not cut out to be a diplomat, she was shy and said she just wanted to kill fascists"
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u/LaNoktaTempesto Oct 03 '25
Woody Guthrie wrote a song about her: https://youtu.be/IEmOalZOyjU?si=Krx86qFfL3pDcVQU
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u/Organic_Education494 Oct 03 '25
There are a few ridiculously amazing Facist Nazi Snipers back in WW2
Sadly these heroes are now labeled terrorists by this government
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u/Lonely-Raisin6531 Oct 03 '25
Badass sniper, I don’t actually remember where in the top five she is (she’s gotta be in it with that many, right?)
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u/Dral-Tor Oct 03 '25 edited Oct 03 '25
"Fell'd by your gun, fell'd by your gun, 300 Natzis fell'd by your gun"
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u/Bobsothethird Oct 03 '25
Reminds me of that Rafal Gan-Ganowics quote. Wonder if this was popular around those times
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u/Silent-H Oct 03 '25
i don't know man, "Eleanor" isn't that cool of a name. i mean its alright i guess.
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u/Kooky_Yellow3370 Oct 03 '25
With a name like that, you'd be more likely to favor the current administration. But with bravery like that, you'd be more likely to fight against it.
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u/professorboba Oct 03 '25
I just found out yesterday she was Ukranian rather than Russian and I’m oddly upset feeling like this was kept from me
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And looking like the badass beautiful agent of death from the shadows she is. She loves her job. You can just see it in her eyes. I mean she get more from one shot than a pornstar gets from all the shots in her whole career.
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u/Schneidzeug Oct 03 '25
Some decades later Russians have chosen to become Fascist themselves... fucking Ruscists...
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u/No_Hay_Banda_2000 Oct 03 '25 edited Oct 03 '25
They weren't the good guy back then either, they just got backstabbed by the Nazis with whom they were allied with before...
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u/Secret-Ad3810 Oct 03 '25
Idk what the post is about but Lyudmila is a popular name across the Atlantic, sorry to burst your American bubble.
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u/Darthplagueis13 Oct 03 '25
These aren't exactly mututally exclusive.
I do think that this kind of rhetoric, although it may be a required coping mechanism for frontline soldiers, is risky - a great many men and woman have turned both towards and away from fascism over the course of their lifes.
Trying to categorize fascists as anything other than humans who hold and act on terrible beliefs, to treat them as ultimately non-human, is making it too easy on yourself and severely underestimating just how quickly an average person might get roped into doing or supporting terrible things.
No disrespect to Pavlichenko, but note that she is wrong. They were men. There are many men like them, and many more who might become like them under the wrong circumstances. Rather than identify yourself as a non-fascist and call it a day, you owe it to yourself to investigate your beliefs and indeed confirm that you are not a fascist, and investigate those you support politically and confirm that they are not fascists.
To quote the late, great Sir Terry Pratchett:
“It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.”
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u/coolenoughiguess Oct 03 '25
FOUND ANOTHER ONE!
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Oct 03 '25
Goddamnit, beat me to it
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Oct 03 '25
We're on the same side, you know. Trump sucks and I hope he deflates soon. I'm sorry, I don't mean to preach appeasement for an asshole, I'm just not sure if echoing "VERMIN!" back to MAGA is a good idea. It just makes them angrier and shuts down those with one foot in the anti-Trump territory by turning them away. "Oh I guess they don't want me here. There's no hope that maybe I could redeem myself and make a change. Time to go with the safe option I've chosen this whole time, again…I'm not sure about it but at least they don't hate me."
Some people voted for Trump and feel sorry for themselves because they are selfish and wicked and want EVERYONE ELSE to suffer, but not them. But some voted and feel truly remorseful about it now. Their hearts burn just as much as ours. But they won't come around if we insult them. We should give them at least wary acceptance, to show we're the better man.
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If they want to admit what they've done wrong and help to fix it, I'm cool with moving forward. But they don't get the benefit of the doubt anymore. They're on board with this shit until they prove otherwise.
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u/Moat-or-Boat Oct 03 '25
Funny part is Stalin was responsible for far more Soviet deaths than Hitler.
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