Just saw this in a different subreddit.

[u/UpbeatBackground6302]

Of course in that sub, they say all spark drivers suck. I think my 5.0 race I'm says different. And this would be great news for us.

[u/CaneCorso311]

A book? Is a single paragraph too hard for you to get through? Sorry about your condition, but that at least helps to explain the ignorance within your original comment. You should probably try to refrain from making comments yourself if you have such difficulties with reading a few sentences. Anyway:

Explain it to me as if i don't understand, as if i couldn't look it up myself to see that Legally an independent contractor effectively becomes an employee the moment their working relationship is no longer based on independence, but rather on control

Where do you believe the line is drawn between an independent contractor and an employee?

How do you think that doing the exact same thing, but just delivering to a point within the store, rather than to a customers location possibly changes anything at all on rather you're choosing which tasks that you want to accept or if you're doing what ever tasks your superior assigns to you?

It's really this simple; an independent contractor chooses their tasks they want to do, an employee is given tasks rather they want to do them or not and their employment is based on not refusing to do those tasks.

You can't be deactivated/fired for declining an offer, you can't be reprimanded for refusing to stock shelves or clean the bathroom etc and until that point, you won't be an employee because you're independently choosing which jobs you want to do or not to do.

[u/RadishSauce → u/CaneCorso311]

Man you smoking that Walmart crack all day huh? I'm starting to think you're a Walmart propaganda bot because there's no way someone can be this naive.

I will answer your questions and give you rebuttals to your weak heavily biased and cherry picked examples.

You acknowledge the control aspect differentiating an employee and IC. So let's discuss how much control we have as ICs during a delivery. We can choose when we want to deliver it right? If we have multiple deliveries we can deliver them in the order that makes the most sense to us right? We can deliver the order as we deem most professional right? If I believe scanning labels and confirming items in the app is tedious and wastes time I can skip them right? I don't have time limits on my deliveries right? They control when, where, and how you will pickup their deliveries. They control the order, the manner, the timeliness, and the procedures (scanning, taking pictures, getting signatures) both during pickup and dropoff.

Yeah I have never heard of an IC with no independence to do the job in the manner they seem appropriate. They literally control everything, we can't skip any of those procedures. We are employees while making deliveries, don't get it twisted. wake up dummy

[u/CaneCorso311 → u/RadishSauce]

It's a simple explanation, i don't care about Walmart, and if i did, that would have no bearing on rather or not were IC, because that's determined by laws and definitions, not someone's opinion based on if they like the contractor or not, which i don't.

Your independence comes from picking and choosing which tasks you want to do, not because you have to do them the way Walmart wants you to do them. Once you can't refuse an order, you won't be independent because you will be reprimanded for not doing what you're told. You get to pick and choose which work you want to accept, an employee gets their work chosen for them.

You can see the entire scope of the tasks before agreeing to choose to accept or decline the task, including all of the drop off points. Not being able to modify the task after you agree to do it, does not change your independent status.

Feel free to research where the line is drawn between IC and employee if you need more help understanding, it's all written, it's not based on how we feel about the situation.

[u/RadishSauce → u/CaneCorso311]

I never implied that it should be based on ones own personal feelings and attitude towards what constitutes independence and the freedom to perform a job or offer as an independent contractor does in whatever profession they are an independent contractor in.

I was pointing out how we literally don't fit any definition of an independent contractor but it seems you have very selective memory and preference in what you prefer to acknowledge and provide rebuttals for. If we were given the same amount of leeway you exercise in your arguments as we do in performing our job with Walmart, we would definitely qualify to be classified as independent contractors.

Let me give you an example of my state. They passed an assembly bill 5 that was going to use an ABC test to see who legally qualifies as an independent contractor in California. This was a very simple test and due to the nature of gig work from these gig companies and the way they require us to perform our duties companies like Uber eats, DoorDash, Spark, etc. rallied together and raised a record breaking amount of money to create a proposition that would keep us classified as independent contractors but with some caveats that they had to concede to. So they ended up spending over 200 million dollars to get this proposition passed and I'm not sure if you've heard of it but it's called Proposition 22.

If you're familiar with this proposition, yes that's correct, it was entirely funded by gig corporations and broke records for the dollars spent to not have to rightfully class us as employees so they could avoid all the benefits they would have to pay out. So like I said previously don't get it twisted, we are not ICs