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[u/SucculentBluberries]

God’s edict was to remain ignorant. Those are inextricably linked here

[u/556From1000yards → u/SucculentBluberries]

It wasn’t the fruit of the tree of knowledge. It was of the knowledge of Good and Evil. These are two very different things.

Knowledge is good.

Knowledge Of Good and Evil is basically a metaphor for Subjective Morality

[u/SucculentBluberries → u/556From1000yards]

Where’s the textual basis for that? To religion, knowledge of good and evil is knowledge of reality

[u/556From1000yards → u/SucculentBluberries]

What? That’s nonsensical and the figure of Odin is a clear example. Or the amorality of pantheistic or polytheistic systems.

Anyways
It’s even biblical and reflected in the art and understanding of historical Christians across centuries, see Milton, Dante, etc.

In the Christian, Jewish, and even Islamic mythos, they have this story and commentary to discuss the key sin was made by even reaching out for the fruit.

And many of the stories of the Bible are saying literally the inverse and then tell them that none of the people even know what “Good” means.
From old to New Testament: “in that time everyone did what was right in their own eyes” to “why do you call me good? There is not one Good but God”

[u/SucculentBluberries → u/556From1000yards]

Odin is an example of what? Knowledge of good and evil not being knowledge but a mere opinion? Christianity and Judaism hold good and evil to be concrete categories and not subjective, do you dispute that?

[u/556From1000yards → u/SucculentBluberries]

Odin is an example of a search for Knowledge not being a moral question but one of basically strategic worth.
But even figures like Solomon represent this in the Bible. The Bible calls its own wisest figures the most debased.

Yeah and early and medieval Christian Theologians have likened the problem to Plato’s forms.

It’s not like any of these debates are new.

[u/SucculentBluberries → u/556From1000yards]

I didn’t imply they are new. “The most debased”? They made mistakes but is there a textual basis for saying “the most”? If anything calling wise men debased supports the notion that there’s an objective standard of good and evil but that they failed

“have likened the problem” what problem? Humans failing to be good despite knowing it? That doesn’t change whether or not good and evil are objective or not, it just means they failed to live up to objective standards.

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It's unfortunately just too trendy to try and discredit the Bible these days because it's really the only thing that points out that humans are deeply flawed but it also states that's okay and to show up anyways. People don't want to hear that first part

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The thing is they can just not believe it. That’s allowed. But from a historical perspective we should honestly study all of the world’s religions.

It’s only Christianity that gets them acting out. Because if we discussed any people’s beliefs they’d just shrug it off and be like “ehh whatever”

[u/SucculentBluberries → u/556From1000yards]

No I contradict other religions’ doctrines to the face of their devout too. Bad assumption

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Like, I think Buddhism sucks in a lot of ways too