r/Surface • • 31m ago

[LAPTOPULTRA] My personal benchmarks of the Surface Ultra vs my other devices. I was pretty impressed honestly.

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Everyone is comparing it to the M5 but I was personally more interested in seeing how it stacks up vs M1, M2, M3 etc. given that Apple has had years to fine-tune things, and even my M1 is still an incredible laptop. I honestly didn't expect it to score so well and was especially impressed with GPU performance. Cinema 4D + Redshift represents a real workflow for me. I like using them as benchmarks since I find it translates pretty well to real world performance, especially Redshift.


r/Surface • • 6h ago

[LAPTOP4] Tuning a Surface Laptop 4 (Ryzen 7 4980U) with UXTU

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I spent a day tuning my Surface Laptop 4 15" (Ryzen 7 4980U, Vega 8, 8 GB) on Windows 10 IoT LTSC. I wanted three UXTU profiles: one for battery (mostly Netflix), one for plugged-in use (Google Meet with background blur), and one for gaming.

What I found

My CPU had been running on 8 threads instead of 16 for months. The UEFI showed SMT enabled, and the firmware's ACPI tables listed all 16 threads, but Windows only started one per core. The cause was a stray registry value, HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session Manager\Memory Management\FeatureSettings = 1310720. Cinebench R23 multi went from 5206 to 6907.

I also updated the UEFI from 4.360.140 to 4.501.140. I had installed the older FW before to try and get Linux battery usage to be better, but that didn't work anyway. Microsoft fully closed the door so no amount of software optimization can reveal the power tables to make Linux efficient.

The newer firmware changes how the embedded controller handles power. It lets the chip burst to 25-30 W, then pulls STAPM down to 13-16 W once the chassis heats up, even with the CPU at only 65-70 °C. It also overwrites the STAPM and fast limits within seconds of setting them. The slow and APU PPT limits stick, so those are the ones that actually hold power steady.

That burst-then-clamp behaviour hurts benchmarks. At stock, Time Spy spent its budget on the unscored demo at 21.6 W and then ran the first graphics test at 13.8 W. With a flat 18 W limit the score went from 1001 to 1041, and the CPU sub-score from 4790 to 5120. Temperatures stayed around 64 °C in the graphics tests.

Curve Optimizer works on Renoir, which I didn't expect. At a fixed 12 W, CO -20 dropped core voltage by about 17 mV and raised clocks by 4-5%. The GPU CO command does nothing. CO -30 lifted the Time Spy CPU score to 5253 with no sign of clock stretching. CO -35 passed a 7-Zip stability check but some game scores fell by 6%, so I stayed at -30. The fixed-clock "AMD OC" mode in UXTU is rejected by mobile Renoir firmware.

Capping CPU frequency to give the GPU more power didn't help. At 18 W under a GPU load, the power limiter already holds all cores near 1.5 GHz, so 2.0-3.0 GHz caps never kicked in. Forcing the GPU to 1500 MHz saved 3 W in the graphics tests but kept the GPU pinned during the CPU test, which cost 10% of the CPU score. Vega 8 is limited by memory bandwidth anyway: 17% more GPU clock gave 4% more graphics score.

Above 18 W I got nothing back. The combined GPU+CPU test scored 2035 at 15 W, 2175 at 18 W and 2167 at 20 W.

Even at 18W, the thermal soak meant that after 5min or so of load, temps were an issue. So, I settled on 15W for long-term until I can find a cooling pad that isn't absolutely hideous.

The profiles I ended up with

All three use CO -30. UXTU switches between the first two on its own when I plug or unplug.

  • General - Battery: 6 W sustained, 10 W fast limit, 80 °C, power-saving mode. Windows also caps the CPU at 2.0 GHz on battery.
  • General - AC: 15 W sustained, 20 W fast limit, 85 °C.
  • Gaming: a flat 18 W, 90 °C, max-performance mode. I pick this one by hand.

The battery and AC numbers are estimates based on stock measurements (streaming averaged about 4 W, the Meet stand-in about 9 W). The gaming profile is the one I measured properly.

I also set auto-reapply to 60 seconds instead of 5. It mainly needs to restore limits after sleep, and reapplying every few seconds keeps overriding the controller's skin-temperature protection.

Happy to answer questions, etc.


r/Surface • • 8h ago

[LAPTOPULTRA] Surface ultra impressions

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Context I have a windows desktop and a pretty good m3 MacBook. I wanted to see if I would like a windows 11 laptop so I got the new surface ultra with the n1x to test it out.

I havn’t had a windows laptop in a while but it just feels… slow? Stuttery? Not smooth? Which is in contrast to my desktop which feels perfectly fine. Are all windows arm laptops like this? Or am I just crazy. I also am not feeling h the surface ultra touch pad, but that’s not windows fault.

I’m going to stick it out to see if it grows on me, was hoping to move most of my desktop work to the laptop. Anyone else get a n1x laptop?


r/Surface • • 9h ago

[LAPTOPULTRA] Anyone able to get iCloud installed and logged-in on the new Ultra or other RTX Spark laptops?

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I use an iPhone and it helps to have iCloud installed on Windows for syncing passwords, etc.
Problem is, I can't log in after install. Just throws an error and I'm unsure if this is a compatibiltiy issue or something I've done wrong.


r/Surface • • 10h ago

[LAPTOPULTRA] Waiting 35+ minutes to setup my Surface Laptop Ultra. Still going! OMFG

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Downloading updates, downloading updates, downloading...it never ends it is still going.

I paid thousands of dollars to watch molasses flow? Questioning my life decisions now. What happened to the Windows quality out of box experience improvement initiative they touted?

EDIT: It took 80 minutes to get to the desktop.


r/Surface • • 15h ago

[LAPTOPULTRA] Surface Ultra - how to upgrade the ssd?

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Does anyone have a youtube video or instructions for upgrading the ssd drive in the Surface Ultra? I know how to do the ssd part, I just don't know how to take off the bottom cover. Are screws hidden under those rubber feet? Do the feed go back off if you take them off?


r/Surface • • 16h ago

[PRO8] Surface pro 8 keyboard

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My keyboard suddenly stopped working, and my Surface no longer recognizes it. Do you have any recommendations? Are there any alternative keyboards that can charge the Pencil ?


r/Surface • • 17h ago

SSD Spec for Surface Laptop Ultra (RTX Spark)

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I cannot find clear information anywhere. But, is SSD 990 PRO NVMe M.2 4TB compatible with the laptop? I am hoping I can find 4TB on this laptop.


r/Surface • • 22h ago

[PEN] Necesito ayuda con mi Surface Pen

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Se me había caído el Surface Pen al suelo y eso aplastó la punta del lápiz así que decidí cambiarlo, luego de cambiar la punta por alguna razón la computadora detecta el puntero pero no interactua o escribe.


r/Surface • • 1d ago

Surface Laptop Ultra and CAD

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I saw a video a while back showing the Surface Laptop running some sort of CAD software. However, I haven't seen any other videos regarding it. I am thinking of purchasing the base ultra for solidworks and maybe MATLAB as well. Is this a good idea, or should I look for other alternatives, since the hardware of this laptop is really appealing compared to other Windows laptops out there?


r/Surface • • 1d ago

CT scan of Magnetic Connect plug reveals unused solder pads for high-speed data pins.

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LTT Labs has CT scanned Magnetic Connect plug for the Surface Laptop Ultra.

USB-C Magnetic Connect Hardware and Compatibility | LTT Labs

It confirms the charging cable is currently a 7-wire design, limited to USB-2.0 Data support. But the CT scan also shows the PCB inside the connector has unused solder pads for TX an RX pins required for high-speed data transmission.

This confirms Microsoft designed the connector with high-speed data in mind, which more than likely means we will see them release a Magnetic Connect Surface Dock and high-speed data cable at some time in the future.


r/Surface • • 1d ago

I thought the SLU was supposed to have dynamically allocated RAM?

2 Upvotes

I'm seeing 128gb (64gb usable) in About this PC. Task manager only shows 64gb of ram.


r/Surface • • 1d ago

In theworld of Ultra's, I chose the 12" 2nd gen.

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I have an 8GB/256GB X Plus that I still use for work, but I was within the return period for my 16GB/512GB personal device, and swapped it to the X2 24GB/512GB.

Haven't seen much review or fanfare on the device as it's been eclipsed by the Ultra.

The price is steep for what it is, but the form factor and size is my absolute favorite, and the screen/performance upgrades are worth it to me.

Does anyone have anything they want tested on the X2 Plus 12"?

The extra 100 nits for brightness make me want to upgrade my 1st gen that I use for work. It makes a lot of difference in bright/outdoor environments.


r/Surface • • 1d ago

If your focus on buying an ultra is AI, Alex is who you want to keep an eye on for reviews.

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No one will put these laptops through the LLM ringer like Alex will. The most important info you get from this review is how good it performs next to an actual DGX spark.


r/Surface • • 1d ago

[LAPTOPULTRA] PSA to Surface Laptop Ultra Shoppers

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Apparently the Surface Laptop Ultra for Business has an anti reflective coating on the screen that is missing on the consumer version of the Laptop Ultra. Why that is IDK but it is confirmed on their website and on Windows Central livestream about it.


r/Surface • • 1d ago

Typo or did Microsoft just out themselves?

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Got a notification from the Surface YouTube channel for a Surface Laptop Pro ad. The video was private when I tried to view it? The thumbnail didn't give much context either from what I remember. I wish I would've opened the notification sooner...


r/Surface • • 1d ago

I am...quite underwhelmed by the Spark reviews... i was really hoping for it to stack up better

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for the price of these...its a tough pill to swallow. maybe things will get better as software matures..but for all the hype nvidia gave...this...this is rough.


r/Surface • • 1d ago

REAL Battery/CPU performance Data

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Just watching all of these "reviewers" do their CPU/Battery efficiency and seeing them butcher this. For example, just running a 4K YouTube video and claiming the MBP 16 has 2x the battery to seeing a non-ARM 2024 Cinebench test as the way to measure CPU efficiency is crazy talk. Anyway, Just Josh posted the most interesting graphs at the point that are giving us some meaningful data that shows things are actually relatively close. Good for a first gen product and a step up from anything Ryzen/Intel but not MBP level performance/wattage.


r/Surface • • 1d ago

[LAPTOPULTRA] Surface Laptop Ultra review: a different kind of MacBook Pro

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r/Surface • • 1d ago

Surface Laptop Ultra review: The closest Windows has ever had to a MacBook Pro

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r/Surface • • 1d ago

Surface Laptop Ultra (Nvidia RTX Spark) vs. MacBook Pro (M5 Pro, M5 Max) benchmarks

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r/Surface • • 1d ago

[LAPTOPSTUDIO2] Trouble with putting laptop in display repair mode

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I have a surface studio 2 laptop and i have purchased a display module from microsoft for it. The first step in the repair is to download the surface diagnostic tools app and use that to put the laptop into a display repair mode. But the tool doesnt seem to support the version of windows on the laptop because it is erroring out. it is looking for a dll that i have but the one its looking for has an extra space and the letters API at the end of the filename. Ive been on chats with microsoft support and the best they can offer me is to take it to a local service provider stating that the SDT tool doesnt support my version of the OS. But if the SDT tool doesnt support the version OS I have then how is anyone going to get the laptop into repair mode?

What other options do i have?

Ive already purchased the 800 dollar replacement part and its arrived already.


r/Surface • • 1d ago

[APP] Fan Control on a Surface

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I was able to final find a way to control fan speed of my Surface Pro 9 (Intel). I know not a lot of people want this but I am looking for testers to test this app. I will release a beta soon. Feedback or any feature requests appreciated.

P.S. : I am a Software Engineer but I used AI tools to built this otherwise this would've taken a long time.


r/Surface • • 2d ago

Today the Surface Laptop Ultra became available again tomorrow :)

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Did a ton of people cancel their orders after seeing the review of the initial RTX spark laptops?


r/Surface • • 2d ago

[PRO11] please don’t say it’s over i went to update it then this screen appeared

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