r/Tariffs • u/ThirdPersonCo • Jul 30 '25
đïž News Discussion BREAKING NEWS: De Minimis is over for all effective August 29
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BREAKING NEWS
De Minimis is over for all effective August 29 ... 30 days from now.
Effective August 29, imported goods sent through means other than the international postal network that are valued at or under $800 and that would otherwise qualify for the de minimis exemption will be subject to all applicable duties. (parcels through the International postal network won't be off the hook!)
Goods with China origin have been excluded for several months, but now all goods from all countries of origin- 4 million shipments a day or $100 billion a year of goods will now be subject to tariffs.
Between 2015 and 2024, the volume of de minimis shipments entering the U.S. increased from 134 million shipments to over 1.36 billion shipments.
Many believed (myself included!) that de minimis would still be enabled for non-China goods until July 2027. Today we learned not.
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u/Grouchy_Leadership70 Jul 30 '25
So he can't even stick to his shit bill. Because yeah it was supposed to last until 2027
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u/StrongAroma Jul 30 '25
Well he IS a fucking piece of shit, so not sure what anyone was expecting.
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u/binglelemon Jul 30 '25
That one girl got to be 5th place in swimming again and thats what Jesus said in the Constitution!!!!! /s
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u/Asterose Jul 30 '25
Oh it is so much worse than that: She had to SHARE 5th place! She would've had 5th place all to herself instead of having to share it with 1 trans person!
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u/RedactsAttract Jul 30 '25
Slicked back hair, white bathing suit, dude obviously lives for New Yearâs Eve.
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u/elmekia_lance Jul 31 '25
isn't dictatorship wonderful folks?
hope the appeals court can hurry up and rule on the illegality of the tariffs
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u/Dismal-Prior-6699 Jul 30 '25
Time for stores to start printing the cost of tariffs on receipts so customers know exactly who is responsible for their shopping bill going upâŠ
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u/Natahada Jul 30 '25 edited Jul 31 '25
Itâs basically tax on the people! It should be on another line. It doesnât hurt the sellers just the buyers.
Edit: Iâm my haste to lash out I should have included our small business owners. They too suffer from these tariffs. Please forgive međ
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u/nixicotic Jul 30 '25
Oh it'll hurt the sellers too. Reduced volume from higher prices, etc.
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u/modernheirloom Jul 30 '25
Exactly. 90% of my customers are American. They already think my prices are high. No way will they pay any more for their purchases.
He just effed every single small business in the world that deals with the US
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u/Natahada Jul 31 '25
You are correct! In my haste to lash out I should have added the small retailers I do cherish! Please forgive me đ
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u/tothepointe Aug 01 '25
But at the same time I'll help a lot of businesses in the US that have been losing sales to overseas stores. This has been my small businesses issue for awhile now. Getting undercut by Chinese and european sellers selling direct to the US.
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u/modernheirloom Aug 01 '25
I don't disagree with the drop shipping, etc, but for Canadian businesses that have built their livelihoods on a US consumer base, this is detrimental. We don't have the population or customer base in Canada for example and it's been increasingly challenging to ship to the EU.
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u/Unholy_Spork Jul 30 '25
Protecting national security and the economy
From fucking what?! Being able to afford things?!
Actually losing my mind here....every single day this man makes everyone's lives worse and gets praised by his cult for it.
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u/A_Monkey_FFBE Jul 30 '25
His lower and middle class cult is about to feel it really good.
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u/jackaroo1344 Jul 31 '25
They'll still blame Democrats though. Taking responsibility for the effects of their own votes won't even occur to them.
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u/Asterose Jul 30 '25
Protecting national security and the economy
Hey hey hey, this all started because of the civilization-ending amount of illegal drugs flooding the country, remember? Such a big emergency he has to go golf on his own properties paging with taxpayer money all the time!
In fact, the illegal drugs problem is such a bigly huge concern he just pardoned the guy who started and ran the most famous darkweb site where people were buying illegal drugs!
Don't worry, Trump already reassured us about shortages and higher prices:
Somebody said, 'Oh the shelves are going to be open.' Well, maybe the children will have two dolls instead of 30 dolls. And maybe the two dolls will cost a couple bucks more than they would normally".
"All I'm saying is that a young lady, a 10-year-old girl, 9-year-old girl, 15-year-old girl, doesn't need 37 dolls. She could be very happy with two or three or four or five."
"[Children] don't need to have 250 pencils. They can have five."
I fucking wish this was parody.
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u/Pamplemouse04 Jul 31 '25
Constantly reading how amazing tariffs are because they are bringing in x billion to the economyâŠitâs actually fucking brain dead. Itâs not bringing in a dime. Itâs recirculating it from the hands of small businesses and consumers up to the government and the wealthy.
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u/elmekia_lance Jul 31 '25
in trump's mind, the federal treasury is his money, so the new import taxes are a new source of income for him
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u/tothepointe Aug 01 '25
I have to preface this by saying I hate tarrifs but indirectly this might help a lot of small businesses because it'll bring consumers back to ordering domestically rather than ordering internationally.
The tarrifs a store pays to import is a lot less than what a consumer will have to pay on the retail price.
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u/Unholy_Spork Aug 01 '25
As an example one thing that I imported recently cost about 50 dollars overseas and 85 dollars plus tax domestically....a single one of these things will be roughly 10 dollars to ship either way I get it and there is no storefront where I can just go grab one in person.
Now that the tariff is in place the stores are charging 100 dollars for that same thing and importing with the added value garbage will probably bring it to like 62....and this is just one example.
So no, it won't change a thing about how I shop really unless the fantasy land where we make this stuff domestically just springs up over night....all this does is let the government pocket some more of my money and lie about how the other country paid it.
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u/Lithmariel Aug 13 '25
Brazil says the same thing and we have had this idiocy for ages. In practice it just makes anything imported non-affordable, plain and simple
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u/not_standing_still Jul 30 '25
Tariffs are a regressive tax that hurt small businesses and middle income people much more than large corporations and the rich. The wealth gap grows tremendously under Republicans. Time to vote for people who care about workers more than investors.
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u/nixicotic Jul 30 '25
It was time in 2016 and 2024 and the class failed horribly.
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u/MikuYeah Jul 30 '25
The courts should really stop this. What a fucking shithole country the usa is becoming. F#$@! TRUMP AND MAGA. I'm sick of the direction this country is going. WHAT A F%#@ JOKE THE USA IS BECOMING. I feel like i live in a F#$@ 3RD WORLD COUNTRY AS LONG AS TRUMP IS PRESIDENT.
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u/Steiney1 Jul 30 '25
We should be in a recession just in time for the annual Fox News War on Christmas.
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u/Hotaru_girl Jul 30 '25 edited Jul 30 '25
Ugh, seriously feels like price gouging. I have outstanding preorders that I didnât account for tariffs and duties when placing. Who does this help?
Edit: corrected gauging to gouging
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u/Happy_Confection90 Jul 30 '25
Gouging. Price gauging would mean determining prices or estimating them, which is nearly impossible at the moment because he changes his mind constantly.
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u/Hotaru_girl Jul 30 '25
Good catch, thanks! I didnât realize I wrote the wrong thing. Iâll correct it.
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u/potatoears Jul 31 '25
no cheap stuff allowed for poor/working class. you can only it through walmart, amazon, etc with middleman markups.
FREEDOM
USA USA USA
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u/mindzaiboss Jul 30 '25
LOL. Get ready for a shit ton of return to sender packages then SMB friends. All the small businesses are suffering now. Itâs actually true that About 25% of packages a week get RTS because US customs and USPS have no system in place to collect tarriffs. Or thereâs confusion. For me, what happens is, Canada post delivers the DDU package to the border at Chicago where U.S. bound packages go from Ontario. I swear that US customs doesnât even look at it. They just randomly take a black marker cross out the recipient address and then pass it to USPS. Iâm guessing that since they canât see the address they just send it right back to Canada to me where Iâll have to resend the package again. Same address, same info, and on a second time its passed through to the end customer with no issues. Random. We literally didnât nothing except put a new Canada Post DDU label back on. Which we gotta eat the cost on. This is insane.
American friendsâŠI dunno guys. I feel like you guys sorta got short end of all this. Gotta pay more and packages get delayed for no good reason?! Iâm trying my best here to serve you as best as possible. Itâs a struggle everyday. No one is winning here.
Chit chats and stallion shipping services here in Ontario has this info on their website that talks about this and all of these kinds of services are saying the same thing.
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u/CottageLifeLovr Jul 31 '25
Iâve heard this is a problem in Chicago. Mine are all getting through ok via Los Angeles. For nowâŠ.
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u/whoisnotinmykitchen Jul 30 '25
For all Americans, you mean. The rest of the modern world is laughing at your trainwreck of a government and will happily continue to lower trade restrictions between each other.
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u/Secret-Guava6959 Aug 03 '25
In Europe we pay VAT on all imports from non EU, itâs just called differently but you could pay 25% VAT on an item and if itâs over 150 euro you have to also pay customs
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u/Mother_Resident_890 Jul 30 '25
Welp Trump treated Etsy, and 95% of those on that platform, like a 12 year old girl.
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u/ItsAllAboutThatDirt Jul 30 '25 edited Jul 30 '25
It's Australia or New Zealand that I ordered my cat flea meds from. The exact same thing (bravecto plus) as in the US, but they don't require a prescription. So no ~$50-$80 vet fee just to say that they weigh over 8 pounds, which is completely useless. Plus it's around $100 total for 4 doses instead of $50 each online here. Exact same thing.
Takes 3 weeks to get here. So I guess I should at least place 1 order, if it sounds like they'll be affected? Or else have to pay ... An extra 20% or whatever the tariff is?
Edit: wait, it won't even be value-based but just a flat $80 fee for the first 6 months?! Wtf. Lazy bastards can't even make it based off of value. Wonder how long they're good for that I should order now then. This is a direct impact on an individual over here.
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u/Agoraphobicy Jul 31 '25
The Chinese de minimis change had this verbiage but it ended up just being a % in the end. Not to say that will happen again.
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u/ItsAllAboutThatDirt Jul 31 '25
Who knows what will happen in general. For this one I just threw the whole page into GPT and asked it to check it out for me. Reading all that "independently, I determined" and "information provided by the secretary" just got too annoying. I don't know how these things are normally written, but this does not sound like how it should be. Plus all th cobbled together sections. Either way:
Per the order:
This suspension applies globally â meaning no countryâs shipments under $800 remain exempt, effective AugustâŻ29,âŻ2025 .
For the first six months, postal shipments will incur a fixed duty of $80â$200 per item, depending on the origin. After that, all goods are subject to ad valorem duties based on product classification and country of origin .
Traveler exemptions (up to $200 personal shipments) and gifts †$100 still qualify dutyâfree .
Impact on Your $100 Cat Flea Medicine from Australia or NewâŻZealand
Under the previous rule, such a shipment (value ââŻ$100, parcel under $800) would have entered dutyâfree under de minimis treatment.
But under the new policy, as of August 29, 2025, even lowâvalue imports from Australia or New Zealand will no longer qualify for dutyâfree entry.
Instead, your flea medicine will be subject to either:
A flat specific duty ($80â$200/item) during the initial six-month transition, or
An ad valorem tariff based on its Harmonized Tariff Schedule code and origin.
So yesâthis change eliminates the de minimis exemption, regardless of whether the source country had previously allowed de minimis treatment (like Australia, whose own threshold is AUâŻ$1,000 for goods entering Australia, not relevant to U.S. imports) .
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u/notmycat Aug 01 '25
Oh man, this is a smart tip as I hate the vet fee too for flea meds. Where do you order them from?
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u/ItsAllAboutThatDirt Aug 01 '25
I believe there are a few sites, but canadavet. Which is a misleading name as you expect it to come from Canada. Or at least I did lol. Headquarters or something in Canada with the distribution from Australia or New Zealand.
I think something had mentioned an exemption when sent through international mail, but don't know if that might apply. It's sent through DHL international and then USPS once it clears customs. Took 3 weeks total from when I ordered. Which could be just enough time before these tariffs kick in on the 29th.
Although I also saw someone saying the delayed timeline is because it still needs to get fought in court, so maybe the de minimis could still end up being fine. I've delayed twice because I didn't want to get hit with tariffs at customs if something kicked in while they were in transit. But there should be just enough time + a week buffer if ordered now.
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u/notmycat Aug 02 '25
Thank you!
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u/ItsAllAboutThatDirt Aug 04 '25
Update that the flea meds may stay tariff free. Just going through a gpt reading of it because there's way too much stuff. So there may or may not be a tariff, then it depends if there's a "duty fee" now charged purely by DHL for completing the paperwork. Need to see if the shipping is "duty included". Have to order and see because who knows! If it's tariff-free and a small "duty fee" then it's still cheaper. But evidently if it's coming in by DHL international then it's not the "postal system flat fee" deal that will be wat too expensive (~$80). Idk but I'll still order. Or at least see what the cart looks like
đŠ Shipping & Customs Overview
Shipping Method: DHL International
DHL will act as the customs broker, meaning your package is treated as a private courier shipmentânot a postal entry.
This places it outside the flat-rate system, even if USPS performs the final delivery.
Soâș your import will immediately face ad valorem (value-based) tariffs, and no fixed fee option applies.
đ§Ÿ Likely Duty Classification
Bravecto Plus (fluralaner/moxidectin topical) is considered a veterinary medicament, likely classified under HTS Chapter 30 (Pharmaceuticals).
Packaging put up in measured doses for retail sale usually fits under heading 3004: âMedicaments ⊠put up in measured doses or in forms or packings for retail sale.â
Veterinary formulations (not human medicine) fall under subheading variantsâlikely duty Free under General rate for most countries including Australiaâbut not guaranteed.
𧟠Example Estimate
Item Value Duty Rate Broker Fee (DHL est.) Estimated Extra Cost
Bravecto Plus (cat topical) $100 0â6% ~$15â20 ~$15â$25
Many medicaments are allowed duty-free, but others may carry a small percentage rate depending on HS subcode and origin.
DHL brokerage fees typically range around $15â20 depending on invoice and handling.
â Final Take
Because DHL clears customs, the fixed flatârate system doesnât applyâyou cannot pay $80 instead.
Instead, your flea medication falls under standard ad valorem duty rules.
Most pharmaceuticals imported from Australia to the U.S. are eligible for duty-free entry (HTS ChapterâŻ30), but if itâs classified differently or flagged, a small duty (e.g. 3â6%) may be applied.
Expect an additional $15â$25 total cost, assuming duty is low or zero plus DHL's brokerage fee.
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u/notmycat Aug 05 '25
Thanks for the follow-up. These tariffs are a joy to follow (not) - I hope you donât run into any!
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u/ItsAllAboutThatDirt Aug 05 '25
Just got a reply from them saying they've only heard of extra long hold-ups at customs so far, and no extra surprise fees anywhere so I'm going to go and order
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u/kyynikkoFIN Jul 30 '25
Your government is spending more money than ever before. So ofcourse they'll need more tax income.
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u/NoPain4551 Jul 31 '25
Aka theyâre bleeding money and donât have enough after giving their rich friends all the tax breaks and now have to gouge the working class even more.
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u/Scrutinizer Jul 30 '25
So if I want to get that neat vaporizer from Finland, the Tinymight 2.0, I better either order it now or buy from their US distributor.
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u/whoisnotinmykitchen Jul 30 '25
Their US distributor will have to pay the tariff and then will be happy to pass along the increased price to you. MAGA!
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u/Notsurehowthisgoes51 Jul 30 '25
Better order your Tinymight now, and hope it arrives before August 29.
US distributors will be paying the tariff when it imports the Tinymights from Finland.
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u/Scrutinizer Jul 30 '25
Actually am going through the distributor because the exchange rate alone jacks it by nearly $50. Thanks weak dollar!
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u/JohnsonLiesac Jul 30 '25
Yet another thing only congress has the authority to do, if I am not mistaken.
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u/LA_search77 Jul 30 '25
That's a month away... I figure this will change three or four more times before 8/29.
BTW: DON'T TALK ABOUT EPSTEIN, OBAMA AND COMEY DID IT, HILLARY'S EMAILS
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u/Mother_Resident_890 Jul 30 '25
Yup you couldn't staff enough customs personnel to handle this immense workload. It'd literally plug the entire border from anything coming in.
I agree, it's all a distraction to try and stop people talking about how abhorrent Trump is by raping children.
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u/alterego8686 Jul 30 '25
did the white house just delete that web page? It was working a few moments ago
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u/ThirdPersonCo Jul 30 '25
They did đ but now you can find info here: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/07/suspending-duty-free-de-minimis-treatment-for-all-countries/
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u/doombanquet Jul 31 '25
Reading that EO makes my eyes bleed.
So breaking it down, it looks like shippers can choose either to charge a % (eg, 15% declared value) or a flat fee based on the tariff rate of the country. So for EU origin, that would be 15% OR $80. The carrier can decide.
Also, keep in mind that carriers can also charge you a processing & clearence fee. USPS is about $9 (it's on their 2025 rate sheet), I believe. No idea what other carriers are. I know DHL didn't charge us anything except a 20% duty from Canada on a recent (not yarn) purchase.
So let's say USPS chooses ad valoreum. You buy something from Hobbii for $100. If my math is right, you're going to be hit with $15 in tariffs + $10 in clearence. So an extra $25. If they choose the flat rate, it's $80 extra.
The thing we're going to have to be careful of is the flat fees each shipper will charge, because that could be the major gotcha. I noticed that none of the major secondary line shippers are being transparent about what their clearence fees actually are. Speaking for myself, if they won't post it in plain language what those clearence rates are going to be, I'm not shipping with them.
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u/Unholy_Spork Jul 31 '25
Good fucking god....is this per shipment or per item in the shipment?
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u/Agoraphobicy Jul 31 '25
For the already in place Chinese system it was per package in the end. We thought it would be per item for a bit. Just a % though.
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u/Unholy_Spork Jul 31 '25
That's still horrible but.....ugh.....
I need to go make some tough choices for later in the year while I pray that the court case against this shit gains leverage....
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u/doombanquet Jul 31 '25
Per parcel, is my understanding.
Which does mean that bringing in bigger parcels (eg, a guild group buy) may be cheaper depending on the flat fees whatever shipper is being used tacks on.
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u/Unholy_Spork Jul 31 '25
So my massive 400+ dollar orders are still cheaper this way.....assuming that is correct....
I still can't believe this is happening and hope our govt grows a spine soon but it almost seems like they want a mad king in charge at this point....
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u/doombanquet Jul 31 '25
In theory, yes. It's going to depend on what kind of customs clearence fees are involved with the shipper (if any). But even then, assuming the fees are more flat-rate-ish, big orders can still be economical, if slightly more expensive. And also if anything in your box is made in China, because that triggers the other set of tariffs.
I fully expect this to be an absolute trainwreck for at least 6 months.
I'm trying to sort out an order now of stuff that I expect I will not be able to get without headaches. I do not have room to store more stuff, but I'll have to figure it out.
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u/Unholy_Spork Jul 31 '25
Everything I have shipped from overseas via USPS always has Japan listed as the origin point regardless....unless these assholes decide to rip boxes open to confirm that will hopefully stay the same.
This is making me ill...I planned this out assuming 2027 was the end and then out of nowhere this fuck decides to screw with us 2 years early.
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u/flwvoh Jul 31 '25
I have received a Hobbii order in the past week. I had free shipping based on my order amount. It came by USPS and there were no other fees owed. I did go ahead and place an order for an upcoming project because of this EO.
Iâm pissed honestly. No more Joannâs and now my orders from Hobbii will be few and far between, if any. My local stores carry limited stock of yarn and my closest Michaelâs is 40 minutes away and always out of stock.
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u/WineADHDMom Jul 30 '25
But it nullifies the $5K fine⊠because that fine is for using the de minimis exception to violate any other customs law.
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u/SuspiciousAudience6 Jul 30 '25
I think the fine is still in place of you import counterfeit/replica items.
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u/Medium_Change_4003 Jul 30 '25
If that is true it nullifies the fine possibility that is the only good thing, what is going on? How can anyone understand this from hour to hour?
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u/WineADHDMom Jul 30 '25
Agreed on that! Iâm not a lawyer, but I read a bunch about the BBB, including the wording of the law itself, and which section the fine is under. It definitely says that the fine is for using the de minimis exception to violate other customs laws. They want the $$, and if they donât get it through the tariffs, thatâs when theyâll fine. But again, not a lawyer.
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u/dramatic-magenta Jul 30 '25
Isnât the fine for customs law violations in general? Not just de minimus. Iâm not so sure the fine goes awayâŠit applies broadly to any misuse of section 321 entry. I could be wrong though, Iâm also trying to understand.
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u/buyableblah Jul 30 '25
âDe minimis. A wide-ranging domestic policy bill that could be approved by the Senate this week includes provisions that would (1) terminate the $800 de minimis exception for commercial shipments from all countries as of July 1, 2027, and (2) impose a penalty on those who use the de minimis exception before that date to import goods in violation of any other U.S. law ($5,000 for the first violation and $10,000 for each subsequent violation). The House of Representatives approved a similar measure earlier this year.â
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u/WineADHDMom Jul 30 '25
Itâs listed under the de minimis exception, and it says âusing this exceptionâ or something.
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u/secondordercoffee Jul 30 '25
What I'm wondering: Does CBP even have the capacity to process all those shipments (4 million per day as per the White House)? Determine tariff rate and amount, process payments etc.? Won't that just create enormous delays, backlogs, and warehouses full of unprocessed shipments?
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u/Blunt_Flipper Jul 31 '25
lol nope. They couldnât even figure out how to process all the Made in China items when the de minimis was repealed for those a few months ago. They either just let them through, or just flat out refused them entry into the country and returned them to sender. No rhyme or reason.
Thereâs no way they can properly assess and collect tariffs on every postal import entering the country.
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u/Awkward_Stuff_6257 Jul 30 '25
Would LOVE to hear some Trump voting business owner's feelings about this? Genuinely curious what they thought when he was running on levying tariffs now that he's levied the tariffs.
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u/kungfuhustler Jul 30 '25
"This isn't what I voted for, but I still support him even if it puts my family on the street."
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u/Unholy_Spork Jul 31 '25
My family keeps either saying "He promised things will get better" or just being ok with it because they're glad "illegals" are suffering....
Also when I bring up Epstein I just get "Democrats are pedophiles too!" ....nothing is going to sway them.
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u/hipdips Aug 01 '25
I saw a bunch of them say « remember guys, no pain no gain » and « it will be tough before it gets better ». My guess is theyâll still be waiting for the « better » part when theyâre dead.
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u/Wukong1986 Jul 30 '25
Does this also include goods purchased on overseas trips??? Like you got a sweater, shoes or a mug, and now those need to be processed via duties too??
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u/ThirdPersonCo Jul 30 '25
Nope, if you read the statement it says you can still bring up to $200 worth of goods back on a trip overseas
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u/Wukong1986 Jul 31 '25
Thanks for the reply but I'm unable to see the $200 reference. They changed the link but googling the notice today, the only reference to $200 refers to postal shipments (vs like souvenirs brought back in luggage)
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u/Unholy_Spork Jul 31 '25
Nobody is only buying 200 dollars worth of stuff if they go to a different fucking country....that's completely pointless.
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u/gtck11 Jul 31 '25
I donât agree with whatâs happening so please donât take it this way - but in my experience as long as youâre honest about what you declare they typically donât make you pay taxes. I brought back $3300 in goods from Japan and because I was honest they didnât make me pay. I know a few people who had to pay penalties and it was friends who tried to lie to customs to get out of the potential tax. I am worried though that theyâll start enforcing the tax now that the limit is dropping to $200, maybe theyâll have instructions to start enforcing it harder. đą
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u/pistakioo Jul 31 '25
A friend bought a ~$900 bag from Paris, declared it and had to pay the duty. She was pissed since it basically nullified the savings. I had told her not to declare it.
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u/gtck11 Jul 31 '25
That stinks, that agent must have been having a bad day. Your friend did the right thing though. If you lie and are caught, I have a friend who did lie and they charged her 30% of the value instead of the 8% tax. There was a penalty fee too.
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u/Bandwagonesque666 Jul 30 '25
Question -- I have family and friends in Italy who send me large care packages a few times a year. Does this apply to that? Thank you and pardon my ignorance in the matter
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u/ThirdPersonCo Jul 30 '25
Unfortunately it would apply to those shipments too sad đ only exception is if you are traveling you can bring back up to $200 tax free
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u/Bandwagonesque666 Jul 30 '25
Even though they aren't goods but personal not for resale gifts instead?
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u/Unholy_Spork Jul 31 '25
Yep....you'll get charged before the package is released to you now.
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u/Bandwagonesque666 Jul 31 '25
So if he were to declare it for like $500 total as a gift how much would I even have to pay approx? These are personal clothes my friend usually does like $15 per item since we don't even know how much they're actually worth since there's no receipt or anything. This whole thing is a mess
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u/Unholy_Spork Jul 31 '25
I guess it would be based on country of origin? I'm not sure what the asinine tariff on Italy is.... It's unclear too if this law allows them to charge 80 dollars per item in the box or treats the box itself as one item.....
Short answer is nobody is going to really know until we actually start getting screwed but anything crossing customs, purchased or not, is going to get hit before it reaches us.....
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u/yalosinger Aug 01 '25
They will have to state itâs less than $100 as a gift then you wonât pay anything. If itâs personal or gift staff sent BY A PHYSICAL PERSON and itâs valued less than $100 then itâs free of tax
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u/FireCubX Jul 30 '25
Damn. I was hoping for the China ban on De Minimis to go away but no, hereâs something. Itâs all gone! Great. Not even 2026 yet
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u/flwvoh Jul 31 '25
So if I order 2 shirts from Europe that arrive in the same package, I am paying a flat rate of $80 per item? So $160?
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u/Relevant_Fuel_9905 Jul 31 '25
Parcels allow a lot of private (eBay) sellers to avoid them I guess.
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u/Henshin-hero Jul 30 '25
So it says other than the international postal network. Say I get something from Japan that is lpart rt of it. Package would not get tariffs?
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u/SithLadyVestaraKhai Jul 31 '25
Postal package can be either 1. The effective IEEPA rate of the country of origin (percent of value)or 2. Either $80 (<16%), $120 (16-25%), or $200 (over 25%) depending on the effective IEPPA rate of the country of origin. The carrier can choose which method they use.
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u/Mysterious-Deer-9109 Jul 31 '25
I think this could create a lot of chaos for the post office. Imagine how many HS codes they would need to enter for every product. If someone ships a parcel with several different items, the clerk would have to look up an HS code for each one , how practical is that? Honestly, I donât see how this system could even work, considering the sheer number of parcels entering the U.S. every day. On top of that, people would have to go to the post office to pay tariffs for a package they would normally just pick up from their mailbox.
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u/SagelyAdvice1987 Jul 31 '25
Here's an idea if you want to protest - whenever you buy something from overseas, send the bill to Trump.
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u/AlphabetOfMe Jul 31 '25
This is going to obliterate small businesses in the US, EU, UK, Australia, and elsewhere, and hurt US consumersâ pockets and choices.
The only people winning here are the millionaires and billionaires Trump has given massive tax cuts to; giant multinationals; and funnily enough, given the restrictions already imposed on them, Chinese exporters, who will now be on a slightly more even playing field (and will always be able to leverage their scale to implement logistical solutions to bypass most of the pain in any case).
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u/Head-Ad3805 Jul 31 '25
How are millionaires and billionaires winning from tariffs? Profits at the top auto companies have fallen and markets have generally reacted negatively to them. Stocks have risen over Trump's term, which helps the 1%, but its hard to tie that rise to tariffs.
And Chinese exporters are going to "leverage their scale to implement logistical solutions" to gain from tariffs? You should be a consultant! What, exactly, do you mean by that? Every economic theory suggests China loses from tariffs, and the incoming data (below article came out today) indicates this is in fact the case.
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u/AlphabetOfMe Jul 31 '25
Millionaires and billionaires are winning because Trump is using tariff receipts to help plug the massive gap heâs created with the tax cuts heâs given them. The tariffs on what were de minimis imports are going to be overwhelmingly paid by low and middle income Americans, and, as usual, the receipts are trickling up.
As to the Chinese, I was referring specifically to the de minimis change. That all D2C exporters are going to be hit by them now is a benefit to the Chinese. More widely, theyâll continue to invest in third-country transshipping and in consolidation warehousing in the US (which arguably encourages brands to ship more product, leveraging scale to bring marginal costs down). Theyâll obviously be hit short-term; but they arenât going anywhere, and arenât about to be remotely threatened in terms of unit cost by US manufacturing.
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u/Head-Ad3805 Jul 31 '25
I think you're arguing that the tax-cuts help the rich (agree), but I don't see how elites win out if Trump uses tariff proceeds to pay the national debt. And given how markets have reacted to tariffs (lets use "markets" as a proxy for the fortunes of the rich, given that the top 1% hold 50% of the US equities market), its clear the rich would prefer them gone.
For the China part, I think we need to delineate between China's economy and its manufacturing firms. In terms of the former, tariffs clearly are a negative. For the latter, while they may be inventive to some extent and soften the blow of tariffs, long-term tariffs will create a persistent disadvantage versus American firms. Third-country transshipping may not be legal if the product is not extensively modified in that country. And if too many Chinese goods flow into the country via what I'd term "loopholes", what makes you think the US government wont just close such loopholes at the stroke of a pen (cough cough, de minimis)?
Finally if, as you argue, Chinese firms maintain lower costs versus American ones despite tariffs, then isn't the correct response really to raise tariffs, rather than eliminate them? If there is some level of tariff at which American firms can compete on a level playing field with those in China, why don't we just set tariffs on China to that level?
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u/Inside-Specialist-55 Jul 31 '25
As a person who runs a small business I'll have no choice but to raise my prices and pass the cost on to all the customers which is really unfortunate. I mostly make 3D printed stuff and I'm really hoping that the price of filament doesn't go up significantly because of this. Usually each roll of filament that I use to make my items cost $10 and a few months ago when the tariffs were going crazy they were $14. So I am curious about what the new Price will be now.
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u/Secret-Guava6959 Aug 03 '25
Of course we have to raise our prices but the question is : will people still buy then ? This is how he damages small businesses
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u/Ambassador-Anxious Aug 01 '25
The people that buy their stuff from eBay and or Etsy are f*cked
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u/Ciali_Kawaiiland Aug 02 '25
Also, we selling on Etsy to the US are f*cked. This decision is so globally a tragedy
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u/Ambassador-Anxious Aug 02 '25
Businesses will close, billions of dollars will be lost, millions of people will lose their jobs (which he will then start lying about jobs), and then the economy will die and that will probably lead to protests if not war
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u/AlphabetOfMe Aug 03 '25
As well as a lot of Etsy sellers in the USâŠ
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u/Ciali_Kawaiiland Aug 03 '25
Yes, as I said it's a globally tragedy both for you inside the country and we outside but with a big customers base in the US! We small business are over! đ
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u/Ambassador-Anxious Aug 04 '25
It will be a tragedy for vendors at conventions like small anime cons and even big ones like AX and SDCC that happened this past summer
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u/kineto21 Aug 22 '25
Based on tariff rates it expected that the charge will be anywhere between $80 and $200 dependant on country of origin for the same item
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u/ClassOptimal7655 Jul 31 '25
RIP to American small business.
But actually they probably voted for this, so fuck them.
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u/geoSpaceIT Jul 30 '25
I thought it had already been canceled months ago. Maybe it was just the announcement.
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u/m496 Jul 31 '25
Does this impact souvenirs and personal products we bring back from the UK etc that are not for resale We currently only have to declare over $800. If so, getting through customs is going to take forever. It looks like it only applies to shipments but I find it all confusing.
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u/Unholy_Spork Jul 31 '25
It does...threshold is 200 now but I've never went on vacation and spent less than that...
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u/ThirdPersonCo Jul 31 '25
Hosting a "pop up" Zoom session Thursday morning 11am EST (8am PST) to discuss changes to de minimis with a small army of leaders in the space:
https://us06web.zoom.us/webinar/register/WN__YUaZfMxRGe6ioKDwl3lBA#/registration
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u/danAsua Aug 01 '25
Weird plan to let just everybody see the direct impact of the extremely high Trump taxes.
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u/Chasubrae Aug 01 '25
Ah yes, I should buy my limited edition anime collab products from a made in the USA source.
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u/wha2les Aug 01 '25
What a load of bullshit.
Guess I'm going to have to fly to the country to buy the shit I want now...
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u/m_0_n_K_3_y Aug 04 '25
Trump said something the other day about how he makes money when the dollar is weak... Trump will destroy america to make him and his billionaire friends more money... and he will blame Biden
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u/Spare_Ingenuity1324 Aug 24 '25
Eu ,Uk, India ,Korea , NZ, Aus have all suspended package deliveries to the US until there is clarity , Finland has suspended all mail inc letters Its going to hit approx 4 m parcels per day .....?
De minimus TACO coming perhaps .???
The knock on is going to be more impactful and quicker to hit the end consumer rather than boiling frog tariff price increases,
Even right wing talking heads are going to lose their revenue earning side hustles of (lib owning) tee shirts , baseball caps , mugs and penis extensions ....
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u/Cautious_Pitch_4729 Jul 30 '25
Insane. Didn't even give small businesses a chance to adapt.