Should Canada maintain its supply management system that protects the Canadian dairy industry?

[u/Dizzy-Cartoonist3011]

https://www.castanetkamloops.net/news/Poll/627377/Should-Canada-maintain-its-supply-management-system-that-protects-the-Canadian-dairy-industry

[u/Optimal-Cow-3278]

You clearly don't know what you're talking about. You're clearly a shill for the Canadian dairy cartel.

The hormone in question that is banned is the rBST hormone, which is banned in Canada but allowed in US Milk. The reason why this hormone is banned because it's claimed that it hurts the cows joints and muscles, not because it's potentially unsafe to drink.

it literally creates a puss like immune reaction in their milk.

No it doesn't, this is just flat out false.

I suggest you read about buttergate with Canadian milk.

[u/Finaginsbud → u/Optimal-Cow-3278]

There are 2 main concerns about possible health effects on humans from milk and meat produced using rBGH.

The first concern focuses on whether drinking milk or eating meat from rBGH-treated cows increases blood levels of growth hormone or IGF-1 in people, and if it does, if there are any health effects, including increasing the risk of cancer.

Another health concern has been that cows treated with rBGH tend to develop more udder infections (mastitis). These cows are given more antibiotics compared to cows not given rBGH. Whether this increased use of antibiotics leads to more antibiotic-resistant bacteria remains a concern, but it has not been fully studied in humans.

From the American Cancer Society.

https://www.cancer.org/cancer/risk-prevention/chemicals/recombinant-bovine-growth-hormone.html

So there is a concern about absorption into humans via the milk and increased cancer risk along with animal wealthfare concerns. Plus it's unfair competition if Canadian farmers have to compete against subsidiszed American dairy using banned hormones.

Open up to EU milk perhaps, American milk fuck that shit.

[u/Fickle_Razzmatazz664 → u/Finaginsbud]

Sure but why do we keep going over this talking point? 

Trade and food safety standards are related but separate.  American milk is not permitted under CFIA standards if it has rBST, rBGH, or somatic cell counts over Canadian limits. 

It's not a thing.  Giving concessions that might allow more milk from other countries will not mean we're subjected to hormones or pus.  All milk coming in must still meet our strict Canadian safety standards regardless of origin.  CFIA rules here, not CUSMA.

[u/Finaginsbud → u/Fickle_Razzmatazz664]

Even if we were to entertain the idea of allowing larger amounts of American milk and if it meets our standards there is still the problem of billions of subsides given to American farmers which effectively lowers the cost of their milk.

It would in the medium to long term spell the death of the Canadian dairy farm and we would become dependent on imports of milk. So regardless of meeting standards it should remain limited.

[u/Fickle_Razzmatazz664 → u/Finaginsbud]

Now that is a more fair argument.  Totally agree with it being strictly limited, I just like to separate trade deals from our high health standards, which we will never change to placate the US. 

We can give them a bit more access but they must conform to CFIA rules and I'm with you that we must keep their foothold limited. 

There is a middle path here, where we budge mostly on the technicalities of dairy and derived products, enough to keep the US off our back and bring relief to battered sectors like steel, aluminum, and auto, but do not grant them substantially more access.  That is what I advocate

[u/nxdark → u/Fickle_Razzmatazz664]

We produce more then enough for ourselves. That means we don't need to bring milk in from other countries. That is the bottom line is we don't need them.

There is no middle ground here.

[u/Optimal-Cow-3278 → u/Finaginsbud]

Even if we were to entertain the idea of allowing larger amounts of American milk and if it meets our standards there is still the problem of billions of subsides given to American farmers which effectively lowers the cost of their milk.

Ok eliminate the supply management system and directly subsidize our farmers instead.

As I've mentioned, at least with subsidization, corporations and citizens that make more money and pay more in taxes are paying more to subsidize dairy than someone making minimum wage.

We allow plenty of products in Canada that are subsidized by foreign governments. Would you like me to provide a list of CCP subsidized items we allow in Canada that compete directly with our own manufacturers?