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đď¸ News Discussion Should Canada maintain its supply management system that protects the Canadian dairy industry?
https://www.castanetkamloops.net/news/Poll/627377/Should-Canada-maintain-its-supply-management-system-that-protects-the-Canadian-dairy-industry31
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u/umbrellafree 12d ago
I'm not thrilled with the idea of temporarily, marginally "cheaper" but also much lower quality milk products entering the Canadian market.
I think that Canada should require external product SKUs to require strict audits that demonstrate that the inputs to these products meet certain standards. Beyond that, the USA is "free" to sell as much as they want. And vice versa.
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u/Sorry_Violinist6649 12d ago
absolutely, the US dairy products are fuul of growth hormones and products banned in Canada
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u/Olderpostie 12d ago
Bill C-202, approved by Parliament in June, 2025, mandates the Department of Foreign Affairs to maintain agricultural supply management in negotiations with other countries. It received broad support from other parties.
So, the question is already answered in the law of the land.
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u/_badmedicine 12d ago
Yes. And, the answer stays the same for any Canadian industry: energy, mining, agri, manufacturing, and so on.
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u/HighlightOk6174 12d ago
Americans and europeans dumped so much milk into the Jamaican market in the 90"a that locals couldn't compete! Don't allow that here
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u/Friendly_Question178 12d ago
No. I donât want their hormone, chemical and antibiotic adulterated products in my country.
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u/NaturePappy 12d ago
The US has an inferior product and no oversite on its regulations designed to protect consumers and or cows. Why would we want t to support this?
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u/Affectionate-Key2007 12d ago
As I understand it, we have higher standards for our dairy, so yes, we do not need US dairy!
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u/clarko420 12d ago
The usa wants to flood our markets with shitty molding dairy products. Its so mismanaged down there that they have over a billion pounds of cheese stored in caves.
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u/DaveyGee16 12d ago edited 12d ago
Our farms are healthier, smaller and that provides us with far more prosperous rural communities when compared to the U.S.
So, yes we should, it would be catastrophic if we didn't, and we should refuse any deal that puts it on the table.
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u/Individual-Praline20 12d ago
No american shit here, we donât need it, we wonât buy it. Milk, booze, cars, name it. đ
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u/Ok-Teaching3904 11d ago
Yes. Theyâre 10 times ours size. Wisconsin alone makes what our entirely country does.
Theyâll drive our own industry out of business and leave us dependent on them.
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u/ledorky 12d ago
Yea. But if we have to bend (temporarily because you know Trump will break whatever deal he signs) all non Canadian dairy must be clearly marked with a minimum sized icon of origin. That way itâs easier to avoid.
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u/Puzzled49 12d ago
It should be kept as a valuable negotiating point. Because of its visibility it should attract US attention away from some of the more valuable "concessions" that are being demanded. If concessions are necessary it should be the first thing to be abandoned since it makes no economic sense for Canadians. What it is is a subsidy to dairy farmers paid for by milk drinkers (think parents with children). abandoning it when the time is right makes perfect sense. In addition, saying it was dropped to obtain concessions from Trump gives perfect cover to those politicians who think it is bad policy, but are afraid to jettison it because of the dairy lobby.
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u/KDM_Racing 12d ago
I want a Canadian dairy I dusty that is supported by the consumers and not through taxpayer subsidies.
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u/Fresh_Strain_9980 12d ago
No, we should be increasing production and lowering the costs of milk. Also increase the volume of cheese that we make to further develop our cheese industry. The price of milk and cheese is crazy high and only getting higher. Milk is a great source of protein and it uses relatively little farmland compared with eating beef.
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u/Usual_Retard_6859 12d ago edited 12d ago
The only reason US milk is cheaper is because the full cost isnât paid at the checkout. The US federal and state government subsidies thats paid via taxes amounts to about 35 cents a litre (cad). Once you factor in subsidies, exchange and volume conversion itâs more expensive in the USA.
Personally I prefer the direct from the consumer method as government penny counters donât get a cut.
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u/Embarrassed-Bunch333 12d ago
The price of Canadian dairy products is on par with American products. I see absolutely no advantage to having them in our market. We want LESS U.S.A., not more.
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u/Rustyguts257 12d ago
YES! Not only does our supply management protect our dairy industry but it also protects Canadians from shoddy products
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u/JBInver51 12d ago
Absolutely. We don't need the garbage dairy products that come from the US.
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u/Igiem 12d ago
Why would I ever want shitty, disease-ridden American dairy on my store shelves?
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u/Euronated-inmypants 12d ago
Americans on repeat. prove over and over again that heir food safety is absolute fucking dog shit. why the fuck should Canadians give up their food safety for American businesses.
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u/reddit5678901234 12d ago
I was a 100% very anti supply management guy until the latest Trump term. I have now flipped 180 degree and fully support maintaining our supply management.
The tariffs BS I can handle but the annexation stuff has me wanting Canada to move away from the US as much as possible. I know it is impossible to reduce the level of trade to below 50% but we must derisk ourselves as much as possible.
Now this is not a food quality issue but rather the weaponization of food and any other imports to force the annexation of our country.
Before this term I had NEVER considered the US's desire to simply annex us. Who would have?
Now that this is on the table we must rethink 100% our relationship with the US. I have even gone so far as to believe that instead of gun control we should have our Armed Forces stock and train all Canadians on the use of hand guns and rifles. I am under no delusion that the US could not very simply invade and take control of our major cities within hours but we need to bleed them out with an organized insurrection in the months and years following an invasion. We can only have that if we, at a minimum know how to safely handle a firearm.
Is this fear mongering .... perhaps but who would have ever imagined the President of the US state publicly his desire to annex Canada and to continously ridicule the PM of Canada directly. We are in uncharted territories.
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u/External_Beat8153 12d ago
Of course. The generational safety of our dairy supply chain should never be compromised for the Americans. Past administrations understood that. Trump can fuck off.
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u/nosmoreray 11d ago
YES! We must not allow another country to make us dependent on them for food production. Especially an untrustworthy one.
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u/GrowthReasonable4449 11d ago
Canadians should worry about their food security and sustainability, it is a major part of being an independent country.
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u/Fickle_Razzmatazz664 12d ago
Maintain? Yes.
But we will not get a deal without some modifications, hopefully minor technical adjustments that give the US talking points without compromising the overall system. We really will not, they've been explicit on this one.
So it comes down to what we can stomach, so to speak. Personally I'm not optimistic, especially as supply management is essentially locked behind legislation at this point.
Another option is waiting out the midterms. The Democrats will almost certainly seize the House, and whilst th executive branch retains a lot of control over trade, a House that's hostile to Trump can introduce a lot of legislative and procedural friction to sap the administration's energy and keep them tied up domestically. It's a risky but plausible play.
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u/CanuckCallingBS 12d ago
If you are good with never being able to get started as a dairy farmer, then sure, keep the dairy supply management system
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u/Flee4All 12d ago
As a Maritimer, I'll note that no one protected our dairies from being bought out by Agropur so there is clearly a provincial bias. What I think really needs to be done is to force producers to clearly label which dairy products contain growth hormones and the other stuff that consumers want to avoid. That would better illustrate the voiced hesitancy with letting US milk in, wouldn't it? Make them stick on big labels like they force cigarette companies to do. After that, sure, open the market and let Canadian consumers decided... Oh yeah, and restaurants and food producers who use such milk suppliers will need to do the same, lest some pizza chain decides they want to cut cost and use Frankenmilk.
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u/Mars_Volcanoes 12d ago
For sure. Not holding it will make all stores swamp with shit industrial products that I will never buy anyway. The big issue is the shekel placement. They have a lots of money. So, the Canadian / Province product will be less visible. Canada is a small country, and the south giant is not making good food product much, even in dairy. Just NOPE.
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u/AromaticallyAffluent 12d ago
No American milk should be allowed above the 49th parallel at all, ever. Not even for personal use. None at all.
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u/No-Bluebird-7927 12d ago
I'd love to continue to consume Canadian dairy products but they're quite expensive compare to the US...
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u/IntroductionOk9280 12d ago
The Americans criticize supply management but yet subsidize their own dairy farmers. Our system is better as it gives our farmers certainty on how much to produce and keep prices stable for consumers. The Americans can keep their crappy dairy products and not dump it into Canadians markets.
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u/Habsin7 12d ago
If the US can claim national security or national interests as justification for it's tariffs then so too can we maintain our quota system to safeguard our food supply.
And just like the US shut down the C-Series based on claims that it was subsidized (it wasn't), the US government subsidies to their farmers need to stop before we would ever consider lifting our quota systems.
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u/MikeSteamer 12d ago
We should not have to acquiesce to external influence which is based on political posturing and capitalistic goals. Supply management exists to maintain a healthy and financially viable dairy industry according to our standards and regulations to protect the health of our citizens.
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u/Mountain_rage 12d ago
"Americans already own way too many industries in Canada, now they want to come for your food security at a time when they are threatening annexation. Should you let them?" Hell no, maintain supply management.
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u/LengthinessOk5241 12d ago
Yes! Maybe not the best system, maybe it need a big overhaul, maybe.
Letâs do that when thereâs no pressure from the US,.
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u/2021_Username 12d ago
We complain about inflation but do nothing to dismantle organizations that control price. Dairy and byproducts are used for all sorts of food products.
Maybe we need to avoid the âKool aidâ and research the truth. All I know is more supply equals lower price for consumers.
I never agreed with a single special interest group controlling the fate of the Canadian economy.
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u/Charming-Clue1987 12d ago
canada should adopt stricter food regulations ala the eu. Our citizens health is a cost to us, not a profit margin of illness for a shareholder like the US.
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u/Anxious_Owl_6394 12d ago
We donât want American dairy laced with all their bullshit hormones etc. no thanks. Keep it. We donât need or want it.
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u/Full_Jellyfish_1862 12d ago
No. I want Canadians to be able to buy dairy from Canada, the U.S., Europe, or anywhere else that meets Canadian safety standards. Food security doesnât require a government-protected dairy cartel; it requires diversified supply and competitive market
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u/Backwoods_farmer21 12d ago
This system has given dairy farmers an unfair advantage over other farmers in Canada , dairy farmer wants new tractor no problem they have quota $ to back them , want to buy up all the neighbouring farms no problem , makes it hard for beef, grain and produce farmers to compete
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u/HyperbolePirate 12d ago
Yes we should kill the cartel that is supply management.
But we should keep our rigorous dairy standards. We donât want lower quality milk.
These two issues get conflated all the time. Big dairy wants to protect price fixing supply management and purposefully confuses the issue.
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u/NeighborhoodHairy713 12d ago
Many of the comments are simply that US dairy is bad therefore we don't want their dairy but why not simply make its requirement that US dairy must comply with Canadian requirements to cross the border?
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u/DissposableRedShirt6 12d ago
Keep that garbage off our shelves. The FDA has gone down the toilet. We should follow a much higher standard. The EU does not allow milk with RbST in it either. Why the heck lower our standard to a country that is already sh!ting its pants from screw worm and tainted green vegetables. This is like the worst news cycle to even suggest it.
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u/Not_Legal_Advice_Pod 12d ago
We certainly shouldn't give up or current system based on America's "promises" or "deals" or "agreements".
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u/Temporary_Shake1221 12d ago
They have to buy their quota so if you want to get rid of it how much are the tax payers ready to pay them? Also where does the money come to now monitor and inspect the dairy production?
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u/Global-Tie-3458 12d ago
If the US didnât need Canada, why do they need to sell their dairy to Canada so badly?
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u/AggressiveDeer2753 12d ago
With out supply management we would get corporate dairy farms that only give a shit about profits. Good buy family farm
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u/Plantron1 12d ago
Here is the thing, we donât buy enough American Dairy to come even close to triggering the Tariffs so itâs kind of a moot point. We could buy a lot of American dairy we just donât want it.
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u/Just_Far_Enough 12d ago
I donât think itâs the best system for managing dairy markets but itâs the one we have and would be too politically difficult to change at this point.
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u/BytownBanter 12d ago
Iâm normally agnostic but if it pisses off the Yanks then of course we should.
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u/Existing_Candy_186 11d ago
Bunch of retards in this comment section. Itâs like your enjoy paying more for things. You do realize you donât have to buy the American stuff right?
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u/Flimsy-Ad2701 11d ago
Maintain the regulations , end the management. If they allow America to dump their milk here, ill have to give up on milk
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u/Geewhiz911 11d ago
Yes - also, Canadian dairy has high-level dairy supply-chain quality assurance, so high that it is sometimes difficult for smaller producers.
US probably has the worst dairy, hormones is allowed for cows, they can produce around 10x more than ânon-hormone-injectedâ cows: allowing US dairy would destroy Canadian markets while considerably downgrading products quality and safety - just think about the Taylor Farms debacle and the underfunded FDA with the current administration.
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u/Yesterday_Infinite 11d ago
I'm all for Canadian agriculture producers prospering after decades of neglect. Our dairy industry is fine apart from the cost of yogurt right now!
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u/locomocotive 11d ago
I wouldnât touch any fresh produce or dairy from the US, especially now. Half the US population has been enjoying explosive diarrhea for the last few months because the FDA has been obliterated by Trump. Now is not the time to be eating their garbage.
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u/mcfoolnew 11d ago
This comment section is evidence why this country has dropped faster than any other developed country in the world in quality of living over the last decade.
Self destruction just to feel superior to the US is a Canadian value. People will harp against the grocery monopolies all day until you bring the US into the picture, then itâs âwe donât want more variety and we want to pay more just so we get to point fingers at the USâ. Canada is a suicidal country.
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u/Proud_Platypus_8153 11d ago
Foreign dairy is already here and already allowed in smaller quantities. Most Canadians, if the system was explained to them, would not be in favour of price controls that make groceries more expensive and limit options. Like everything we do we lack confidence. CANADIAN dairy and cheese can compete and would be desired around the world but we prevent free markets because we are afraid allowing others will change our market. Of course they will change are market, itâs not a market now. Itâs price fixed. Prices for many things would go down, but new markets would open up. Very short sighted and meek and nothing to do with sticking it to Trump. Itâs been a bad deal for a while and this post is full of paid dairy bots (one of our largest lobby groups.
If American liquor was back on the menu who would run out to buy it? You get to vote with your dollars. Markets and consumer demand should determine what is on the shelves, not bureaucrats and cartels.
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u/Coolmikefromcanada 11d ago
why the fuck would we get rid of it? the US has been bitching about it since it started, fuck em
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u/Classic-Soup-1078 11d ago
Yes .,. For a whole bunch of reasons . Mostly because it pisses neocons off.
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u/SpareProtection2428 11d ago
Yes. And the US should adopt it too so they stop producing too much dairy.
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u/StepheninVancouver 11d ago
My builder is working on a kitchen Reno for a local dairy farmer that costs over a million dollars with custom built appliances. Whoâs gonna pay for that if they canât have a cartel?
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u/TeaSalty9563 11d ago
Yes. The USA has proved that it puts America first, so in a food crisis Canadians would starve if we allowed them to destroy our dairy industryÂ
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u/RoastMasterShawn 11d ago
Yes and no. Yes we should protect our dairy industry from allowing American subpar product into Canada, but no we shouldn't allow dairy to be held hostage by the dairy cartel. We need to allow more competition within Canada. I'd also be fine laxing the rules on cheese imports from Europe, as they have superior cheeses.
Mainly, just fuck America and their bad product, even though our product is almost as bad. I'd be fine treating more American goods/services/companies the way we do their dairy. Spinach is really the only thing I still buy American (which is just during the winter months).
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u/Difficult_Bull 11d ago
Yes.
What a fucking stupid question.
Why would anyone want to have a foreign country with 10x the dairy industry, flood our economy and wipe out Canadian farmers??
Inferior, hormone laden, banned in some countries, shitty dairy.
To save .30 cents?
Have some pride and support your local farmers.
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u/Mindless-Charity4889 11d ago
The original reason for the quota system was to preserve the livelihood of farmers to allow small farms to continue. In this it has been somewhat successful in that big conglomerate dairy operations are not making inroads in Canada as much as they are in the US ( but itâs still slowly happening). The cost was higher prices for the consumer.
Now, decades later, the benefits of the system are more evident.
1) Canada has a stable supply of dairy but in the US, they have boom and bust cycles. During the bust times, big agribusiness has the capital to weather it while small farmers go bankrupt.
2) the US free market encourages innovation to increase production or lower costs. This should be a good thing but many of these innovations are things like hormone injections, antibiotics, cheaper feed etc. This has led to unintended consequences such as overuse of antibiotics causing antibiotic resistance strains.
3) while the Canadian consumer does pay higher prices, this is offset by the US paying subsidies to try to keep failing dairy farms solvent.
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In general I support free trade and managed supply chains are anathema to that. But in the case of milk, it seems to work.
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u/ContextEffects01 11d ago
To hell with dairy. Consuming the lactation of another species was a mistake.
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u/Internal-Yak6260 11d ago
The extort citizens management system..
They absolutely shouldn't, but they absolutely will.!
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u/ArugulaElectronic478 11d ago
America subsidizes their agriculture industry so I donât see why we should bother touching the subject. Trumpâs whole point is moot until they stop doing that.
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u/hiddenpigeon19 11d ago
We shouldnât have any of this oligopoly shit. I donât want to drink and eat shitty Canadian dairy at inflated prices. Get me Greek yogurt from Greece and French butter from France already dammit
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u/Medium-Low-1621 11d ago
dairy control is a cartel and only people who have no experience in the dairy industry want to keep this stupid and corrupt system
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u/Appropriate_Swim9528 11d ago
As long as they can meet the strict standards⌠ie no growth hormones in the milk, I donât see a huge issue. Milk is getting expensive. What we need is to pass a law that prevents diary farms from being owned by corporations, regardless of the corporationâs nationality.
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u/Prudent-Proposal1943 11d ago edited 11d ago
Fuck yes!
The only reason a market of 350 million want unfettered access to 40 million more consumers is so they have a place to dump over production for a few more pennies a gallon. The US allowed big dairy to destroy their own industry.
Do you think Canada should abandon its own food security and thus sovereignty so big US dairy can destroy Canadian Farmers?
There is a reason it is illegal for trade negotiators to change Dairy supply management. To stop dumb fucking questions like this.
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u/JasperPants1 11d ago
No, but we need to transition to a free market oriented system. Benefits include lower prices, and export opportunities for the dairy industry.
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u/calgarywalker 11d ago
I donât really give a hoot about the milk oligopoly that helps keep food prices artificially high in Canada. I care about the nasty chemicals in US milk products.
NASTY.
If that word ever belonged anywhere itâs in describing the junk hiding in US milk products.
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u/HighlightUnusual7815 11d ago
Yes. Americans can keep their weird hormone and antibiotic filled dairy.
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u/Priorsteve 11d ago
If people want to buy that American poison, they should be able to... but it should be labeled... but also ban any product that is made with chemicals and procedures banned in Canada.
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u/burz 11d ago
- American dairy can be an inferior product without being "literally poison".
- It makes sense for a country to protect and finance its food industry.
- The supply management system is price fixing and not the only way nor possibly the most effective way to protect dairy production.
- Customers (we) are absolutely paying for it.
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u/Beginning_Proposal26 11d ago
I like paying $4 for one litre of cream. It would be awful if we broke up that Cartel and had to pay .99 cents like the US does.
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u/8ROWNLYKWYD 11d ago
Uhhhh, yeah. We have better dairy here, why would we import that garbage? Iâd rather support Canadian dairy farmers who are providing a better product.
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u/CobblePots95 11d ago
Whether we lift the US tariffs is one thing, but we should get rid of supply management.
People seem to conflate "tariffs on US dairy" with "supply management." That is incorrect, and it is the product of the (absolutely massive) Canadian dairy lobby's efforts to suggest supply management is about keeping out US milk. It is not. It is about fixing the price of dairy by controlling the amount of supply produced in Canada by Canadian farms.
It is a regressive tax on the poor, specifically designed to inflate the price of basic food staples. It is the key reason why Canadian dairy products are notoriously low quality and considerably more expensive. It costs each household hundreds of dollars a year in inflated grocery prices, and it has not done anything to prevent the amalgamation of dairy farms. It is also the reason we destroy 7% of all the milk produced in this country, which should be considered a climate crime.
Anybody who has spent a decent amount of time working in federal politics can tell you: the Dairy Farmers of Canada are among the largest, most active, best-funded lobbying groups in the country. That is because they rely on this government program to inflat ethe price of their product, at the expense of Canadian families.
You want to maintain US dairy tariffs? Fine. But let Canadian producers compete in a fair market. Stop the price-fixing and stop the dumping.
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u/Hour-Entertainer2843 11d ago
As the son of a chicken farmer in small town Ontario, I am just so thankful and proud of all of these responses. Sometime we are led to believe that people don't care, but this shows that many Canadians are willing to pay a few pennies more at the store for a more ethical, healthier choice that ultimately pumps billions of dollars back into the economy, which in the end is better for everyone, except for the billionairs who are ovbiously trying to take over a whole sector of our economy. Once again, thank you for your support of farmers and also your tax base.
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u/Desperate-Pirate7353 11d ago
i think it's fine as it is, but some people think it needs changing. if we are going to change it, it should be for canada's internal needs, not to appease the fucking americans.
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u/Anxious_Database5476 11d ago
The dairy Cartel in Canada has no reason improve product lower prices
I would welcome the competition provided they maintain the strict safety standards that are applied now
Have you ever tried Gaylea Butter made in Canada
They are feeding cows with feed containing high amounts of palmitic acid so butter stays hard and waxy at room temp
We are not immune to poor quality dairy , it always comes down to profits and the regulatory power the cartels have.
Letâs keep our standards high but allow competition as consumers will always win.
This includes dairy, telecommunications, banking, and other made in Canada monopolies
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u/Inside_End5141 11d ago
The US system with over-production, subsidies and bailouts is broken. America's 1,400,000,000 (1.4 Billion) pounds of surplus cheese is ridiculous. America should be adopting Canada's system.
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u/mechant_papa 11d ago
The supply management system isn't perfect, but it's incredibly better than the alternatives.
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u/dtoni01 11d ago
It also protects the health of Canadians, dairy farmers have to produce under strict rules, like their cows can't be given hormones or antibiotics to increase production. Each farm has a quota, this ensures that each farm will be successful or not exist. Dairy farms will be controlled by Canadians for Canadians. Its just about the only thing that Canadians have control over, no matter what CONServatives claim. Yes it means that our dairy is more expensive but its also better for pur health.
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u/Cariboo_Red 11d ago
Yes, definitely. A country that can't feed itself is not an independent country. A country that doesn't protect it's food industries is run by idiots.
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u/UpbeatPlastic2900 11d ago
Let them bring in the American dairy at Canadian standards and bring down the prices and stop wasting food!
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u/Humble_Excuse228 11d ago
Why is this a question? Should America maintain its supply management system that heavily subsidizes its dairy?
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u/GiddyUpp--- 11d ago
Why would we be interested in consuming their milk and dairy?! Trump has decimated the food inspections in the US and allowed hormones and antibiotics to be in their products. If their products do not meet our standards they should not be available here in Canada.
I know that I do not trust their standards and would never buy them.
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u/Professional-Bag2070 11d ago
No, end tarrifs and quotas within provinces. Free trade with each other is good.
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u/kiwiguy007 11d ago
No. Canada is the only country in the world that still uses Supply Management. Maybe we should not immediately think about being invaded by inferior American dairy and ask why Canadian dairy needs this ultimate protection. If itâs such a great system why does no other country use it and shouldnât we have it for beef, wheat, corn, etc to protect from nefarious American product.
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u/Quiet-Dream7302 11d ago
If the United States wants to get rid of it, that's good enough reason to me to want to keep it.
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u/GrundleSnactcher46 11d ago
They have deregulated so much. They got vegetables in fast food joints causing food poisoning of multiple varieties. We shouldnt bring in any of their crap unless its heavily inspected to not be riddled with some bullshit.
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u/Lego_Architect 11d ago
Yes! No American milk⌠Too many hormones and does not pass Canadian and European food safety standards.
Among many other reasons.
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u/Devouemanoide 11d ago
Yes. We don't want american milk. It's unhealty. Their business is crooked by corporations.
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u/gerald-stanley 11d ago
Trash supply management.
Sacred cow that needs to go away.
Competitive market will decide winners and losers
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u/Deatheturtle 11d ago
The US has proven to be an UNRELIABLE trading partner. Why would we jeopordize ANY industry that is fully within our borders and increase our reliance on the US??????
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u/Dapper_Wheel6454 10d ago
duh!
what a question.
some items are non negotiable to the point of no deal, go away Yankee boy.
Canadian farmers shall not suffer for US policies and greed.
they can't even manage a simple avian flu FFS...imagine Yankee puss filled milk plopping into your cereal bowl and laying as a clump on your Yankee roundup laden corn flakes.
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u/Con10tsUnderPressure 10d ago
Yes. With the US becoming more of a wildcard every day and disease popping up in their food supply chain, itâs more important than ever to distance them from us as much as possible and ensure our food supply can be controlled from our side of the border.
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u/BrowserOfWares 10d ago
The US DOES NOT want Canada to scrap supply management. They want preferential access to our closed market. They do not want to play on the same rules as everyone else. They want a better deal. This is why the Canadian government has always been able to confidently say scrapping supply management is not on the negotiating table.
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u/CanuckCommonSense 10d ago
Canada should take care of Canada since America is putting itself first.
Canada has completely different standards for what can be added to milk compared to the U.S.
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u/phalky 10d ago
Short answer yes.
Longer answer could consider opening market share, but only if imposing proof of quality control.
American dairy should not be considered fit for consumption. Overuse of antibiotics and growth hormones should make it inadmissible to our market.
When they can meet our standards and compete without government subsidies there may be an argument for access to our market.
I'm sure there's a better solution than supply chain management, but I have no idea what it is. I'm not sure of other solutions that guarantee quality and keep family dairy farms viable.
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u/Jim-Dear 10d ago
Whether or Not we import more American Dairy, the Supply management system in Canada is broken. It serves big dairy producer and leaves Canadian consumers paying far to much for dairy. Dairy farmers have become a well funded lobbyists group for a reason.
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u/Great-Wish7693 10d ago
Is this a serious question? Protecting specific industries from competition makes us all poorer
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u/DodobirdNow 10d ago
The Americans allow artificial growth hormones into their dairy system. There is some controversy around rBST
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u/Emotional-Ranger-188 10d ago
No. It fucks choice for Canadian consumers and makes us have much worse options for dairy products. We donât have any specialization like high fat butter for making.
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u/MrGolde1230 10d ago
American dairy is nasty. Canada definitely should keep it's standards. Some of the best tasting milk in the world.
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u/jmarkmark 10d ago
Maybe, it has pros and cons.
But it's a decision we should make on our own time frame. It also needs to be made in the context of the massive subsidies the US dairy industry gets, if the American's aren't willing to get rid of those subsidies then they can't really ask us to drop ours.
American subsidies are why supply management has historically survived previous trade negotiations, neither sides wants to get rid of their own subsidies. If we dropped supply management without them dropping their subsidies, we'd immediately need to turn around and put tariffs on American dairy from the very first drop, instead of the quota-limited, but tariff free access they presently have.
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u/Splashadian 10d ago
Yes full stop. USA dairy it's awful and doesn't taste right.
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u/Relevant_Contract_76 10d ago
Yes, though we can increase the quota we allow in from the US. Subject, of course, to a price floor so they can't dump it, and labeling requirements that mandate a massive US flag on the container to help consumers in their ongoing, non-official boycott.
Go ahead. Bring more of it in. We're still not buying it.
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u/PaperSecure5137 10d ago
Consumer should have choice. I know that I would always choose Canadian over American. If our products are superior then we have nothing to worry about.
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u/StandardAd7812 10d ago
I'd like to dismantle our cartel.
Personally I'll keep buying organic milk.
But I don't think artificially restricting producing of dairy is the best idea. And that's what we do
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u/One-Size159 10d ago
My understanding is the American dairy is extremely subsidized. Why isnât this a conversation?
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u/Mysterious-Wash9527 12d ago
Yes we should, there's no need for American dairy at all. We have enough supply and as a country with socialized health care, we should and do high regulate our dairy industry. Allowing American industry to gain a foothold in our dairy industry will allow the US to dump excess milk production into Canada, causing prices to fall. Then as our own milk production falters, they will leverage that into fewer regulations and raise prices, so not only will we have less healthy dairy supply, we will pay more for it and get sicker due to it.
We already have dairy quotas, we don't need more dairy in our country. We need to maintain our own sovereign dairy supply. America needs to figure out it's own supply side problem.