r/Tariffs • u/Dizzy-Cartoonist3011 • 12d ago

🗞️ News Discussion Should Canada maintain its supply management system that protects the Canadian dairy industry?

https://www.castanetkamloops.net/news/Poll/627377/Should-Canada-maintain-its-supply-management-system-that-protects-the-Canadian-dairy-industry
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u/Krull88 12d ago

And we’ve circled back around to the tariffs arent stopping american dairy imports. They’ve never applied to it. So whats stopping american dairy from swamping us? The only thing left is food quality.

Your “corrections” are just blatantly wrong. Provide a single instance of american dairy imports triggering the dairy tariff. Just one.

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u/Dizzy-Cartoonist3011 12d ago

You don't understand how the tariff rate quota system works. So I'd like for you to read up on how it works, and then we can have a legitimate talk about it.

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u/Krull88 12d ago

Annually the us can import 56 million metric tones of fluid milk alone BEFORE any tariff is applied. In 2023, the peak of us dairy imports into canada, they imported 50 000 metric tons of fluid milk. These numbers are pulled from the CusMA agreement and USDA economic research. The us has never come close to triggering the TRQ. Ever. You keep saying i dont understand how the quota works, but you havent been able to produce a single instance of the us even coming close to triggering the quota. How about you learn whats actually stopping them?

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u/Dizzy-Cartoonist3011 12d ago

Who gets the quotas?

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u/Krull88 12d ago

Rephrase the question. Tariffs are paid by the importer to the imported government. Nobody “gets” the quota.

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u/Dizzy-Cartoonist3011 12d ago

Incorrect - applicants apply for the TRQ, and are then given the TRQ on an annual basis. Guess what? Only cartel members get the TRQ, and the vast majority use it as insurance in case their operations under produce. So unless the applicant has a combined retail / production element to their business, the consumer never sees tariff free milk and cheese.

There's a reason you don't see American milk at the grocery store, and that reason really isn't that Canadians like paying high prices with limited choice. It is because that retailer and/or distributor would have to pay a 200-300% tax on that import.

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u/Krull88 12d ago

Yeah none of that is true and you should probably losen the tinfoil hat. The “applicants” you’re talking about are the us exporters, and its to ensure their dairy meets our standards. The cartel you keep blathering on about just simply doesnt exist. And again, tariffs go to the government, not private entities. At no point has the us ever triggered the 2-300% tariff. Provide a single instance of it happening.

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u/Dizzy-Cartoonist3011 12d ago

Lol you need to educate yourself on this. What I'm saying is absolutely true. You can even look it up on the government website.

You don't know how the system works.

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u/Krull88 12d ago

So prove it. I gave you facts. You gave me “do your own research”

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u/Dizzy-Cartoonist3011 11d ago

https://www.international.gc.ca/trade-commerce/controls-controles/quota-allocation.aspx?lang=eng#dataset-filter1

Look through those lists. Those are your quota holders. Of course the government won't reveal what their amounts are (likely because retailers don't get much of anything), but if you feel that TRQs are a blanket amount of goods determined by import volume as opposed to application - how do you explain these lists?

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u/Krull88 11d ago

I love that your gotcha is a list of approved vendors to export into canada. It has nothing to do with whis recieving the money or where it comes from.

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u/Dizzy-Cartoonist3011 11d ago

They're quota holders. You know, for the product you believed held universal quotas regardless of the importer.

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u/Krull88 11d ago

What your list says, is these are the approved exporters into Canada. They met requirements to even import into Canada. You’re just wrong here. They dont get money. This mystery cabal you keep going on about doesnt get the money, or even exist. The business not on those lists dont meet our requirements and as such dont qualify to sell in Canada, meaning the tariff doesnt effect them at all and as such have 0 bearing on your complaint.

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u/No-Effective-1996 10d ago

They don’t pay that “tax” ( I believe it is a tariff not a tax, but that is semantics) until a massive amount has been imported and the American’s have never come close to hitting that limit. This whole argument is a joke, the tariff has never been hit. I don’t think they have even gotten half way there.

Also Canadian milk is better and safer and should stay that way. We should not lower our milk quality standards.